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Post by nudge on Mar 13, 2018 19:56:10 GMT
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Post by Stevo on Mar 13, 2018 20:54:13 GMT
Nice!
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Post by omega on Mar 13, 2018 21:25:22 GMT
Unlike Out of the Shadows and River of Pain this book is set long after Ripley's time, so the fates of the characters are up in the air.
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Post by omega on Mar 13, 2018 21:27:30 GMT
For Dark Shadows fans, it's got Walles Hamonde (Cody Hill in Bloodlust).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 0:50:19 GMT
I admire - and God help me - understand your determination 
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 0:52:02 GMT
Haven't read the novel, but not exactly enamoured with Ripley's descendent being a guy.
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Post by omega on Mar 14, 2018 1:04:11 GMT
Haven't read the novel, but not exactly enamoured with Ripley's descendent being a guy. There are still plenty of badass women in the story. If you want to play as Ripley's daughter, the game Alien Isolation sets Amanda up against pretty much everything, not just an incredibly scary Xenomorph. |
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Post by Zagreus on Mar 15, 2018 6:27:37 GMT
Oh excellent! I've been pestering the Audible twitter account for news, but they keep insisting there is none, and then this pops up! Serves me right for being impatient  |
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Post by omega on Apr 20, 2018 13:04:42 GMT
Publisher: Audible Studios
Publisher's Summary
Set 300 years after the events of Alien: Out of the Shadows and Alien: River of Pain, Alien: Sea of Sorrows deals with the rediscovery of dormant Xenomorphs (Aliens) in the abandoned mines of LV-178, the planetoid from Alien: Out of the Shadows, which has now been terraformed and renamed New Galveston.
The Weyland-Yutani Corporation, reformed after the collapse of the United Systems Military, continue their unceasing efforts to weaponise the creatures, eliciting the help of Alan Decker, who is forced to join a team of mercenaries sent to investigate an ancient excavation lurking deep beneath the planet's toxic desert, dubbed the Sea of Sorrows.
Somewhere in that long-forgotten dig lies the thing the company wants most in the universe - a living Xenomorph. Decker doesn't understand why the company needs him until his genetic heritage comes back to haunt him. Centuries ago one of his ancestors fought the Aliens, launching a bloody vendetta that was never satisfied. That was when the creatures swore revenge on his forbear, 'the Destroyer', Ellen Ripley...and all her descendants.
This terrifying, cinematic multicast dramatisation - directed by the multiaward-winning Dirk Maggs, best known for his adaptations of Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere for the BBC - is the sequel to Audible Originals' Alien: Out of the Shadows (nominated for Best Audio Drama at the 2017 Audies) and Alien: River of Pain.
Full cast: Tom Alexander, Mark Arnold, Sagar Arya, Pippa Bennett-Warner, Laurence Bouvard, Philip Bullcock, John Chancer, Stockard Channing, Cedric Cirotteau, Simon Darwen, Andrea Deck, Oris Erhuero, Tony Gardner, Walles Hamonde, Andrew James Spooner, Lorelei King, Tayla Kovacevic Ebong, Laurel Lefkow, Sandra-Mae Luyck, Theo Maggs, Alan Marriott, Gary Martin, Pauline Mclynn, Eric Meyers, Naoko Mori, Sarah Pitard, Kerry Shale, Thomas Stroppell, Emma Swan, Martin T Sherman, Steve Toussaint and Ryan Wichert.
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Post by Stevo on Apr 20, 2018 13:18:06 GMT
I have this on pre-order and I'm really looking forward to its release.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 22, 2018 23:20:33 GMT
Haven't read the novel, but not exactly enamoured with Ripley's descendent being a guy. There are still plenty of badass women in the story. If you want to play as Ripley's daughter, the game Alien Isolation sets Amanda up against pretty much everything, not just an incredibly scary Xenomorph. Incredibly scary ... and unkillable ... Xenomorph. |
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Post by masterdoctor on Apr 22, 2018 23:54:08 GMT
Haven't read the novel, but not exactly enamoured with Ripley's descendent being a guy. Really, you have a problem with a descendent of Ripley's being a guy. Why not. there is a 50/50 chance that it would be a guy and there is every chance that Ripley has other descendants. Does it being a him devalue the story? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 0:30:11 GMT
Haven't read the novel, but not exactly enamoured with Ripley's descendent being a guy. Really, you have a problem with a descendent of Ripley's being a guy. Why not. there is a 50/50 chance that it would be a guy and there is every chance that Ripley has other descendants. Does it being a him devalue the story?
Ripley's an icon for women (us gays and bis also love her as well). The gender politics of this franchise aren't exactly subtle and are important in all the forms they take. There's a ready male sci-fi lead in nearly any other franchise. Having the upholder of Ripley's legacy be a guy doesn't strike me as being particularly observant to the themes of the franchise. And despite what Omega has said, that are strong female characters in the story, taking the centre stage from a female character in a story dealing with Ripley's legacy bugs me quite a big deal.
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Post by omega on Apr 23, 2018 0:36:38 GMT
Really, you have a problem with a descendent of Ripley's being a guy. Why not. there is a 50/50 chance that it would be a guy and there is every chance that Ripley has other descendants. Does it being a him devalue the story?
Ripley's an icon for women (us gays and bis also love her as well). The gender politics of this franchise aren't exactly subtle and are important in all the forms they take. There's a ready male sci-fi lead in nearly any other franchise. Having the upholder of Ripley's legacy be a guy doesn't strike me as being particularly observant to the themes of the franchise. And despite what Omega has said, that are strong female characters in the story, taking the centre stage from a female character in a story dealing with Ripley's legacy bugs me quite a big deal.
The role of Ripley wasn't written with a gender in mind, it could have been filled by a man or a woman. Alan isn't a gender flipped Ripley, he's got other aspects to his character and neither gender is underserved. |
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Post by masterdoctor on Apr 23, 2018 0:41:12 GMT
Really, you have a problem with a descendent of Ripley's being a guy. Why not. there is a 50/50 chance that it would be a guy and there is every chance that Ripley has other descendants. Does it being a him devalue the story?
Ripley's an icon for women (us gays and bis also love her as well). The gender politics of this franchise aren't exactly subtle and are important in all the forms they take. There's a ready male sci-fi lead in nearly any other franchise. Having the upholder of Ripley's legacy be a guy doesn't strike me as being particularly observant to the themes of the franchise. And despite what Omega has said, that are strong female characters in the story, taking the centre stage from a female character in a story dealing with Ripley's legacy bugs me quite a big deal.
So because its a he it takes away from the story and the Alien universe. That seems very sexist. Why shouldn't an Alien movie/book/audio etc have a male protagonist? Would you have a problem with Batman having a daughter that is the focus of future stories when he is a icon to men(Which it should be clarified that both him and Ripley can be an icon for anyone.)? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 1:02:35 GMT
Ripley's an icon for women (us gays and bis also love her as well). The gender politics of this franchise aren't exactly subtle and are important in all the forms they take. There's a ready male sci-fi lead in nearly any other franchise. Having the upholder of Ripley's legacy be a guy doesn't strike me as being particularly observant to the themes of the franchise. And despite what Omega has said, that are strong female characters in the story, taking the centre stage from a female character in a story dealing with Ripley's legacy bugs me quite a big deal.
The role of Ripley wasn't written with a gender in mind, it could have been filled by a man or a woman. Alan isn't a gender flipped Ripley, he's got other aspects to his character and neither gender is underserved.
The role was ulitmatetly given to a woman and her presence in the role VERY much affects the final film and the message it conveys. It was a statement at the time for Ripley, as a woman, to be shown to be capable at her job, to be faceted, to be taken seriously by her fellow crew members and commanding officer and for her concerns about Ash be ignored are shown in a whole new light given her gender. To have Ripley not be a ready victim and managing to trick and kill the Xenomorph at the end. And it informs every subsequent film incarnation since. Aliens is a huge defence on all things femmine and attack on toxic masculinity (particularly in Weyland), as well as tackling intersectionality. Alien 3 tackles toxic masculinity and misgony in religion and Alien: Ressurection is about Ripley coming to grips with her trauma on her own terms.
We can all complain about Prometheus, but Liz Shaw is shown to be strong, capable and yet softer and gentler then Ripley and even after all her sufferings, she holds onto that. To demonstrate that strong female leads shouldn't be interchangeable, as well as commentary which reduced Ripley's journey to her developing into a 'bad ass'.
I'm not a fan of where Conevant takes her character - although it seems it was out of necessity. Conevant has Daniels wrestle with losing her husband and validates, like Ripley, that this is HARD for her, that it's part of her journey as hero. She doesn't need to 'toughen up', she accepts her feelings and works through them, in direct contrast to David and manages to defeat the xenomorph and despite David foiling her, fundmentally, hope, compassion and empathy win out in light of the series.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 1:09:32 GMT
Ripley's an icon for women (us gays and bis also love her as well). The gender politics of this franchise aren't exactly subtle and are important in all the forms they take. There's a ready male sci-fi lead in nearly any other franchise. Having the upholder of Ripley's legacy be a guy doesn't strike me as being particularly observant to the themes of the franchise. And despite what Omega has said, that are strong female characters in the story, taking the centre stage from a female character in a story dealing with Ripley's legacy bugs me quite a big deal.
So because its a he it takes away from the story and the Alien universe. That seems very sexist. Why shouldn't an Alien movie/book/audio etc have a male protagonist? Would you have a problem with Batman having a daughter that is the focus of future stories when he is a icon to men(Which it should be clarified that both him and Ripley can be an icon for anyone.)?
We don't have a fair ratio of strong faceted female (rather then feisty sex objects) leads in genre. And Alien was revolutionary in having a faceted female protraganist who was allowed to be strong, femmine and vulnerable. It's going to bother me that a guy takes the stage in a story which explores Ripley's legacy. Guys can love and aspire to be like Ripley and it defiantly address them (see my reply to Omega), but the guys I know also know she's not solely reserved for them and the films aren't just for them, that this franchise is important to women and is a direct commentary on issues facing women.
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Post by omega on Apr 23, 2018 1:14:31 GMT
By saying Ripley's legacy can't be carried on by a man just because he is a man, it's the same as saying roles traditionally played by males can't be played by women because they are women (Ghostbusters, Doctor Who etc). Discrimination works both ways. At least read or listen to the story before making up your mind. Unless it's physically impossible (I can't imagine a male Sarah Conner), either gender is equally capable of carrying on a legacy. We've got a female Ripley descendent who kicks ass in Amanda Ripley in the Isolation game. It's not like we're being starved or anything.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 1:22:50 GMT
By saying Ripley's legacy can't be carried on by a man just because he is a man, it's the same as saying roles traditionally played by males can't be played by women because they are women (Ghostbusters, Doctor Who etc). Discrimination works both ways. At least read or listen to the story before making up your mind. Unless it's physically impossible (I can't imagine a male Sarah Conner), either gender is equally capable of carrying on a legacy. We've got a female Ripley descendent who kicks ass in Amanda Ripley in the Isolation game. It's not like we're being starved or anything.
It's a franchise that directly tackles how women are often invalidated, manipulated or exploited by men. It's central to the whole franchise. And strong roles for women are fewer then strong roles for men, it's kind of alarming when a strong iconic female character's legacy is taken up by a man. Whether or not this is tackled in the novel or audio adapation, I'll have to wait see, but I don't really get why Master Doctor got so up worked over it, particularly when you tried to ease my concerns.
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Post by muckypup on Apr 23, 2018 1:57:54 GMT
By saying Ripley's legacy can't be carried on by a man just because he is a man, it's the same as saying roles traditionally played by males can't be played by women because they are women (Ghostbusters, Doctor Who etc). Discrimination works both ways. At least read or listen to the story before making up your mind. Unless it's physically impossible (I can't imagine a male Sarah Conner), either gender is equally capable of carrying on a legacy. We've got a female Ripley descendent who kicks ass in Amanda Ripley in the Isolation game. It's not like we're being starved or anything.
It's a franchise that directly tackles how women are often invalidated, manipulated or exploited by men. It's central to the whole franchise. And strong roles for women are fewer then strong roles for men, it's kind of alarming when a strong iconic female character's legacy is taken up by a man. Whether or not this is tackled in the novel or audio adapation, I'll have to wait see, but I don't really get why Master Doctor got so up worked over it, particularly when you tried to ease my concerns.
Sorry buddy, but this is starting to sound like one of those arts programs where they try to justify their terrible painting or installation, with nonsense. if you have ever read the expanded universe stuff, you will realise what you are saying is cobblers, you are basing your argument on 3 movies. Now it may seem right from your current viewpoint but trust me there are as many gun touting men as women in the universe. Mostly women exist as equals....they die just as horribly as men. the franchise exists to make money, it’s not a legacy or fight for rights and recognition......it’s a bloody nasty monster franchise that makes a few quid. sorry. |
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