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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 23:30:25 GMT
Ordered the Class novels today! Much to my regret (especially given Big Finish writers involvement), I couldn't afford them on broadcast!
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Post by Whovitt on Jul 9, 2018 23:35:05 GMT
Boy is this the most fanw*nky of conversations.
I'm sorry, but what is your definition of fan service? I mean, while not being the same, would you accuse Buffy and Angel seasons feeding into each other, not just overtly, but thematically at times, fan service on broadcast? Things can be subtle. You build on what's there for your audience.
You don't launch a spin-off and not have it feed into your parent show in some capacity and vice versa. It doesn't have to be explict for those who haven't seen Class, but it's there. The Doctor doesn't have to talk about about the events of For Tonight, We Might Die for them to be there to affect his actions or to have another reason to take on Bill, etc while still being making your show approchable to those who haven't seen Class (as I said, I'd imagine while Series 10 was in production during production, Moffatt didn't know when Class will air in other countries). I'm sorry, but that's not fan service, that's running a TV show,and common sense and building on what came before, rewarding and validating an audience. Moffatt clearly had Who do this in both The Return of Doctor Mysterio (broadcast three weeks after Class concluded with The Docto still being off his game leading to Grant gaining super powers screwing up his life being a reference and progression of he events of Class) and in Series 10 (broadcast two and a half months after for reasons I've previously outlined). The Doctor regretting letting a bunch of teenagers deal with The Tear - at the same point of development as his beloved Granddaughter and not staying to help them deal with it - can fit into The Doctor actions The Doctor Falls where he protects and tries to teaches the children how to surrive agasint the Cybermen while still building from what the audience who have only seen Doctor Who and in Twice Upon A Time with the rest of The Doctor's regrets and meeting his first incarnation, without being overtly refered to those who didn't see a spin off failed to secure a large enough audience for a second series, but reward fans with some sense of contiunation. That's not fan service, that's rewarding an audience. I think what people are trying to suggest is that without some definitive form of evidence this is still all just conjecture, as this is really just an interpretation and not necessarily the 'true' representation of what happened. Yes, the theory does fit with the established events, but that doesn't alter the fact that it's still a theory and not a fact. (I'm not downplaying it though - like I said previously, it's a very good theory!)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 23:51:08 GMT
Is there anything - just one thing - in The Doctor Falls or Twice Upon A Time that shows an influence of Class even slightly? I just don't see it and we've kinda had a whole page now without a single example. Anything that wouldn't have been in the scripts were Moffat to have written them without Class ever having been made? There's subtle and then there's the 8th Doctor TV Movie quote about humans and patterns
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 0:56:40 GMT
Is there anything - just one thing - in The Doctor Falls or Twice Upon A Time that shows an influence of Class even slightly? I just don't see it and we've kinda had a whole page now without a single example. Anything that wouldn't have been in the scripts were Moffat to have written them without Class ever having been made? There's subtle and then there's the 8th Doctor TV Movie quote about humans and patterns
Um, except in the spoiler tag where I've listed many examples with actual concrete evidence? That's not really theorising. Trust me, this is how TV works with spin offs. The development of Series 10 and Class fed into each other as it would, any showrunner(s) would want them to compliment and add to the experience. Honestly, I'm not trying to insult you here, but I don't think you guys really understand how this stuff works. You want to reward and validate someone's experience with a spin-off and you want the parent show to reflect the spin-off in some capacity. I think you guys need to look into how this stuff is developed, generally.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 0:58:41 GMT
Anyway, I'm glad Class is in the best possible hands at Big Finish with none of the prohibitions it would have onscreen with some of the best writers out there under Ness's guidance.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 1:15:33 GMT
Is there anything - just one thing - in The Doctor Falls or Twice Upon A Time that shows an influence of Class even slightly? I just don't see it and we've kinda had a whole page now without a single example. Anything that wouldn't have been in the scripts were Moffat to have written them without Class ever having been made? There's subtle and then there's the 8th Doctor TV Movie quote about humans and patterns
Um, except in the spoiler tag where I've listed many examples with actual concrete evidence? That's not really theorising. Trust me, this is how TV works with spin offs. The development of Series 10 and Class fed into each other as it would, any showrunner(s) would want them to compliment and add to the experience. Honestly, I'm not trying to insult you here, but I don't think you guys really understand how this stuff works. You want to reward and validate someone's experience with a spin-off and you want the parent show to reflect the spin-off in some capacity. I think you guys need to look into how this stuff is developed, generally.
Nothing in there is concrete. It's all purely your very specific interpretation. Just repeating that it's fact doesn't make it so. And telling literally everyone who's posted to the contrary - because no-one seems to see this "concrete" correlation except you - that they've just not got the insight you do is patronising at best, rude at worst. Not one other person on the forum - or anywhere else I've read - is able to draw the conclusions you are that Class informed Series 10. Rather than act like that means you're just smarter to this stuff....doesn't it suggest you're out on a bit of a limb? Telling us we're all wrong and can't see what you can....you're just gonna get backs up because it's pretty patronising. Manwithchips called your theory fanjodrell - it's not a term I like too much - but the first google result defines it as "a verb that refers to fannish justification of continuity or other errors. When used as a noun, it refers to the explanation itself." That's pretty apt here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 1:23:57 GMT
Um, except in the spoiler tag where I've listed many examples with actual concrete evidence? That's not really theorising. Trust me, this is how TV works with spin offs. The development of Series 10 and Class fed into each other as it would, any showrunner(s) would want them to compliment and add to the experience. Honestly, I'm not trying to insult you here, but I don't think you guys really understand how this stuff works. You want to reward and validate someone's experience with a spin-off and you want the parent show to reflect the spin-off in some capacity. I think you guys need to look into how this stuff is developed, generally.
Nothing in there is concrete. It's all purely your very specific interpretation. Just repeating that it's fact doesn't make it so.
Not really. It's very much how parent shows and spin-offs work. Anyway, that's my final statement.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 1:31:31 GMT
Anyway, what is your favourite episode, everyone?
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Post by masterdoctor on Jul 10, 2018 1:35:29 GMT
Um, except in the spoiler tag where I've listed many examples with actual concrete evidence? That's not really theorising. Trust me, this is how TV works with spin offs. The development of Series 10 and Class fed into each other as it would, any showrunner(s) would want them to compliment and add to the experience. Honestly, I'm not trying to insult you here, but I don't think you guys really understand how this stuff works. You want to reward and validate someone's experience with a spin-off and you want the parent show to reflect the spin-off in some capacity. I think you guys need to look into how this stuff is developed, generally.
Nothing in there is concrete. It's all purely your very specific interpretation. Just repeating that it's fact doesn't make it so. And telling literally everyone who's posted to the contrary - because no-one seems to see this "concrete" correlation except you - that they've just not got the insight you do is patronising at best, rude at worst. Not one other person on the forum - or anywhere else I've read - is able to draw the conclusions you are that Class informed Series 10. Rather than act like that means you're just smarter to this stuff....doesn't it suggest you're out on a bit of a limb? Telling us we're all wrong and can't see what you can....you're just gonna get backs up because it's pretty patronising. Manwithchips called your theory fanjodrell - it's not a term I like too much - but the first google result defines it as "a verb that refers to fannish justification of continuity or other errors. When used as a noun, it refers to the explanation itself." That's pretty apt here. Just from observing the conversation and not having any stake in it, it does seem to be conjecture. Now that isn't to say that it is a valuable addition to the conversation, because it is and it is very well thought out and articulated by yourself, Michael, however it is something that seems to be based on things you have assumed, evidence that has come from interviews and not the actual show, or speculation on your part. And everyone is just trying to point out that it does seem that you are trying to push this on as facts and the truth to them when they are lacking evidence that convinces them, whether it is there or not. I personally love this theory, but as of right now, its nothing more than that, a theory. Hopefully we all can come to an understanding.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 0:03:20 GMT
I'm on a rewatch at the moment. Two points sticking out 4 eps in:
1. Quill is even better than I remembered 2. Nightvisiting really, really stands up. A terrific episode. If any of the BF are in that league, I'm happy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 8:44:49 GMT
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Post by saxty on Jul 29, 2018 18:04:14 GMT
Great tease. Big Finish Ram is growing on me already, him having a conversation with another guy which wasn’t completely hostile helps a bit.
Love the intro music but really it should have been 20 minutes of “it goes on and on and on and on and on...”
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Post by mark687 on Jul 30, 2018 15:06:16 GMT
The Podcast tease certainly indicated an intent for a fair representation of the Series.
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Post by dangerwillrobinson on Aug 1, 2018 21:36:37 GMT
Have just finished the podcast tease and can safely say I feel very confident with what Big Finish have done with the series and cannot wait to hear more. One aside though - looking at the technical details for both releases I noticed the sets both consisted of 3 discs, 180 minutes. I assume then this means no behind the scenes extras? That would be a shame as I would love to have heard about how the Class ‘revival’ came about.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 1, 2018 23:18:24 GMT
Have just finished the podcast tease and can safely say I feel very confident with what Big Finish have done with the series and cannot wait to hear more. One aside though - looking at the technical details for both releases I noticed the sets both consisted of 3 discs, 180 minutes. I assume then this means no behind the scenes extras? That would be a shame as I would love to have heard about how the Class ‘revival’ came about. Unless I'm mistaken most ranges produced by Scott Handcock have behind the scenes interviews and what not after each individual story and not collected on to a separate disc. If the average story is 50 to 60 minutes that still leaves plenty of room for BTS material.
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Post by constonks on Aug 2, 2018 2:35:31 GMT
Interesting point in the Vortex preview - that these are set in Season 1 because they were being concieved of back before the cancellation.
This means that:
A. Vol. 3 (sales permitting) could continue the series properly!
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B. The BBC was willing to let Big Finish adapt a current series, rather than a former one (even if ended up former by the time it was announced/released).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 10:29:33 GMT
Listened to the free extract yesterday, so faithful to the original TV series! (Won't spoil anything though.) Really pleased that they've also used the main theme instead of "Up All Night", which is what I personally prefer.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 2, 2018 12:24:36 GMT
Remberance Extract Very good If only Charlie wasn't an updated Adric but with less personality Regards mark687
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 12:32:43 GMT
Remberance Extract Very good If only Charlie wasn't an updated Adric but with less personality Regards mark687 Charlie and Luke Smith are basically the same character and it really bugs me.
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Post by velvetrevolv3r6 on Aug 2, 2018 15:31:38 GMT
Spent my lunch break listening to the newsletter excerpt and the preview on the latest podcast and I am completely lost for words. I cannot wait for both sets to come out! (Hopefully both on the same day BF... )
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