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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 5:23:01 GMT
Hey everyone,
So, how do you feel about Big Finish handling the Time War? RTD has described it as an undescriable unfathomable confict and yet Big Finish next month will define it - while I'm sure they'll be a line ("contained in somewhat linear time") and it's a mere event, I can't quite feel that perhaps it was best left part of the Who and this untouched fiery thing which nearly burnt our hero to a cinder.
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Post by omega on Nov 8, 2015 5:40:31 GMT
Audio leaves more to the imagination than CGI does. A single sound effect could be interpreted many different ways.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 8, 2015 5:45:58 GMT
After Zagreus and the Divergent Universe arc, I am confident that BF can deal with the undescribable and unfathomable.
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Post by Digi on Nov 8, 2015 6:55:16 GMT
I am thrilled. If anyone can do it, Big Finish can. Especially with Nick Briggs at the keyboard.
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Post by seeley on Nov 8, 2015 7:22:27 GMT
Arguably, that ship already sailed with Engines of War. I felt that its portrayal of a conflict between two temporal powers, while hardly Milesian, was effective. I imagine that Nick Briggs is more than up to the task.
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Post by barnabaslives on Nov 8, 2015 7:50:11 GMT
Being that we're fortunate enough to get the War Doctor, I suppose we're going to need some war stories. I do expect that the whole thing will most likely get more care and consideration on audio than I think it seemed to in the TV series, even if no one tries to turn it into something totally comprehensible with the Big Finish releases.
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Post by kfbate on Nov 8, 2015 8:15:54 GMT
I am happy to wait and see half the fun of this is expectation. I am sure BF will endeavour to make this the best it can be. After all this probably is a "in" into getting new listeners and customers to their range of audio products. Accessibility and a universal adoption of their take on this era of the Doctor is almost essential.
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Post by elgranto on Nov 8, 2015 8:17:07 GMT
The idea of BF handling the Time War is what partly got me into their Doctor Who material in the first place. So yes, I'm quite happy they're getting to it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 8:35:21 GMT
Well it's clear from last night that the doctor's self-loathing for what he did in the war is not limited to the events of the last day, which he now knows didn't happen the way he thought they did. So we need to see death and destruction on a massive scale. I'm sure BF are up to the challenge, and really hope they don't tone it down and make it indistinguishable from doom coalition type stories.
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Post by CookieMaster on Nov 8, 2015 9:08:35 GMT
I'm quite looking forward to it
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Post by omega on Nov 8, 2015 9:12:50 GMT
Big Finish excel with the smaller character moments. Looking at the reactions but the bystanders and victims of the Time War will achieve more than the huge battles. Plus it is a Time War, so whole worlds could go through several versions of their histories on a regular basis. Imagine the War Doctor, or Eighth Doctor, trying to negotiate or start an evacuation when the people he's with keep on changing.
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Post by aztec on Nov 8, 2015 11:07:05 GMT
Hey everyone, So, how do you feel about Big Finish handling the Time War? RTD has described it as an undescriable unfathomable confict and yet Big Finish next month will define it - while I'm sure they'll be a line ("contained in somewhat linear time") and it's a mere event, I can't quite feel that perhaps it was best left part of the Who and this untouched fiery thing which nearly burnt our hero to a cinder. I share your concerns to an extent, the Time War was conceived as this unimaginable colossal conflict that tore the universe apart and damaged the Doctor's soul for centuries afterwards, no matter how good the scripts/comics/books are that could potentially tell the story of the Time War, part of me feels it should be kept largely at a distance, the more we learn about the conflict paradoxically the less interesting it may seem. That said, I don't doubt the writing abilities of Big Finish and I'm very much looking forward to the Hurt and McGann boxsets, I just hope they play around with the format a bit more, and resist the urge to keep things purely chronological (on the other hand, as much as I enjoyed Dark Eyes, the timey wimey paralell timelines stuff got a little confusing at times, and I wouldn't want the timewar to be too complicated in temporal terms), I'd be particularly interested in seeing the War Doctor during the early years of the conflict when he's (presumably) more vicious and less doctory, this is a great chance to play around with the morals at the heart of the Doctor's character, and I hope they push the Doctor as dark as possible, the 9th Doctor onwards openly admitted his role in the 'destruction' of Gallifrey, and although the War Doctor is a retcon, I'm assuming (and hoping) 11 kept him a secret for a few other reasons-although the destruction of Gallifrey was viewed by him as not being in the name of the Doctor, 8 refused to fight until his dying breath believing it conflicted with his morals, I'd like the War Doctor to prove why 8's reservations were merited... ...though I suppose the BBC have put limits on how dark BF can push things... I've yet to read Engines of War, but now that Hurt's agreed to do the audios, I think it would be cool if the BBC (or another company) takes up the mantle and published some more War Doctor stories in prose (Imagine an ongoing Time War series flipping between 8 and War), it would be a shame to let such an interesting character be relegated to one line of products, The 8th Doctor had many adventures in novels and comics before he joined Big Finish, and it would be nice if his sucessor had the same chance. And as I've said before, if Eccleston ever joins BF I'd like to see them deal with 9's emotional fallout immediately after the war ends, prior to Rose...
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Post by aztec on Nov 8, 2015 11:08:36 GMT
Well it's clear from last night that the doctor's self-loathing for what he did in the war is not limited to the events of the last day, which he now knows didn't happen the way he thought they did. So we need to see death and destruction on a massive scale. I'm sure BF are up to the challenge, and really hope they don't tone it down and make it indistinguishable from doom coalition type stories. Going off topic but damn...Capaldi nailed that scene last night, definitely going to be looked back at as one of 12's defining moments I think...
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Post by mbt66 on Nov 8, 2015 11:15:40 GMT
I am very pleased that Big Finish are being allowed to do the Time War.
I really enjoyed the audio of Engines of War and now with added John Hurt I have high hopes for this series of releases.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 8, 2015 12:11:44 GMT
It hasn't happened yet, so I will reserve judgement until it has.
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Post by glutamodo on Nov 8, 2015 15:24:26 GMT
The little bit we saw of the Time War on TV never seemed right to me. A war in Time to me seems like fiddling with events in the past to change the present, not huge battles.
That brings me to my problem with a "Time War" anyway: I always thought Gallifrey existed somehow outside of time, their captive black hole giving them some kind of anchor that is immune from time-line changes to them, the rest of the universe can change but they won't. And since all Time Loard TT-capsules are keyed to this anchor, they can't time travel across Gallifrey's personal time-line.
But that pretty much makes a Time War impossible. Gallifrey can do whatever they want and the rest of the universe can go hang. And anything they do to muck around in Universe Time will be largely invisible to anyone else. I think that's the main reason that RTD and others have said a Time War would be impossible to depict. But in the 50th we got a battle scene and we got the 8th Doctor talking to someone who had come to hate the Time Lords for this war.
So my "head-canon" regarding that is obviously no longer correct.
I'll be interested to see what the Big Finish writers do to explain this. It better "work" or I'll be a bit annoyed.
As for the stories set there, well, as Jason said above, judgment has been reserved.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 8, 2015 15:55:44 GMT
I always thought Gallifrey existed somehow outside of time, their captive black hole giving them some kind of anchor that is immune from time-line changes to them, the rest of the universe can change but they won't. And since all Time Loard TT-capsules are keyed to this anchor, they can't time travel across Gallifrey's personal time-line. But that pretty much makes a Time War impossible. Gallifrey can do whatever they want and the rest of the universe can go hang. And anything they do to muck around in Universe Time will be largely invisible to anyone else. I always had this idea about Galifrey too, the only get out I see, is that if another antognist has time travel and advanced time travel at that, they can mess with this, i.e. The Daleks could appear with a war fleet inside Galifrey's bubble, but yes, a time war has always seemed to me to be about going back in time and changing events so that something else works out differently and by and large the peoples of the universe wouldn't even notice this happening.
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Post by agentten on Nov 8, 2015 15:58:27 GMT
IMO, if any medium can portray the Time War well, it's audio. Audio leaves enough to the imagination that some really neat things could be done. Engines of War was an enjoyable book, and I thought it handled the tragedy of war with a time twist well, but audio has a unique ability to bring the story to life without having to worry about nailing down precisely the kind of devastation that the characters are witnessing as a book or TV episode might. Rather we can get a sense of it and our imaginations can fill in the gaps. Meanwhile, the story can focus instead on the characters and how the situation is affecting them. In that way, Big Finish's portrayal of the Time War could retain an important sense of mystery.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 8, 2015 16:40:14 GMT
It'll be a fine balance, on the one hand you cant have 3 boxsets of him blasting everyone away with a Dalek gun and on the other, he can't be as impotent as he was in the EDA's in them, but whatever he dose do, the audience have to have a level of sympathy with him, otherwise the feelings of regret of the subsequent Doctors loose all meaning.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 17:15:18 GMT
It'll be a fine balance, on the one hand you cant have 3 boxsets of him blasting everyone away with a Dalek gun and on the other, he can't be as impotent as he was in the EDA's in them, but whatever he dose do, the audience have to have a level of sympathy with him, otherwise the feelings of regret of the subsequent Doctors loose all meaning. Regards mark687 Dark Eyes 2 is a great example of the sort of thing I'm expecting. Acting against the people rebelling against the daleks to achieve a greayer good. Y own theory on Gallifrey and time travel is that the transduction barriers only allow time capsules through if they're temporally contiguous. Wouldn't stop the daleks travelling back in time to undo their defeats.
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