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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on May 29, 2018 18:09:56 GMT
If you had asked the question in 2014-16 I would have said he stayed too long and should have left with Smith, but after series 10 I he proved he was not out of ideas and did not stay too long. The year off certainly did him and the show good. I will be the first person to admit Smith's final year & Capaldi's first year were very much mixed bags. That said, I am a fan of season 9's series of two-part episodes even though Clara stayed on for too long but as you say, series 10 was outstanding. It felt like a much fresher show and based on it, I was sorry to see everyone leave. Maybe the problem with season 9 was that Jenna Colnan stayed too long rather than Moffatt
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on May 29, 2018 18:10:50 GMT
If you had asked the question in 2014-16 I would have said he stayed too long and should have left with Smith, but after series 10 I he proved he was not out of ideas and did not stay too long. The year off certainly did him and the show good. As long as you're happy with one good series out of four years. It beats being happy with nothing at all
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Post by ollychops on May 29, 2018 19:46:06 GMT
If you had asked the question in 2014-16 I would have said he stayed too long and should have left with Smith, but after series 10 I he proved he was not out of ideas and did not stay too long. The year off certainly did him and the show good. As long as you're happy with one good series out of four years. Except it's all subjective. I really liked series 8, but I know a lot of the fandom didn't. A lot of people liked series 9, I didn't. Might've been one good series out of four years for some people, others it would have been four good series out of four years... Anyway, to answer the main question: no, I don't think he did. Yes, I didn't enjoy S9 for the most part (it wasn't bad, just very average IMO), but I've liked more of his era than I've disliked. S5, 8 and 10 were my favourites, but the rest of his era has its' highs too. I haven't enjoyed everything, but that's the same as any era - I didn't enjoy everything RTD did either. But I do think S10 was a good swansong for him, he went out on a high, and I'm extra thankful to him because if he hadn't stayed on, we wouldn't have had any Who for a year.
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Post by mrperson on May 29, 2018 21:11:02 GMT
For me, it wasn't the amount of time he stayed that was the problem. It was all the faults with his approach that I didn't like, and I don't intend to write any more essays on that at the moment....
Clara, however, should have been gone after S7 or at very latest, S8. But then, that's also because of the way she was written.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 21:16:04 GMT
As long as you're happy with one good series out of four years. It beats being happy with nothing at all ... and it's better than being unhappy with everything! Or is it a case of some people like being happy about being unhappy?!
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Post by thethirddoctor on May 30, 2018 11:29:23 GMT
It beats being happy with nothing at all ... and it's better than being unhappy with everything! Or is it a case of some people like being happy about being unhappy?! I just switch off, and watch something else.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on May 30, 2018 12:06:21 GMT
... and it's better than being unhappy with everything! Or is it a case of some people like being happy about being unhappy?! I just switch off, and watch something else. I have one of those old fashioned TVs. Whenever I want to watch something else I have to keep it switched on
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 12:51:13 GMT
... and it's better than being unhappy with everything! Or is it a case of some people like being happy about being unhappy?! I just switch off, and watch something else. Exactly... and that's all that people have to do.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 13:24:33 GMT
Subjective criticism is a healthy way to share perspectives and contrasting viewpoints. Has there, though ever been a trend with the Big Finish Main Range for listeners to declare that they don't like it, or that they are not going to listen anymore? I am another who was left cold by series 8, but thought some prominent fans of published repute declaring it as one of the weakest in the 50 year run was a bit harsh. It just seemed more generic to similar shows occupying the time-slot at various stages since 2005.
I was pleased though that I stayed tuned for series 9 & 10 - a step up in effort and development for Capaldi's characterisation. Am I the only one who noticed in his gait and outfit, an intentional nod/interpretation of Peter Cushing's screen Dr? There seemed to be more care taken to reflect on balanced criticism and deliver something 'special' that other franchises cannot do within their formats. In a nutshell, I think it is important for audiences to indicate what they do want to see, rather than just a thumbs down to what they did not like.
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Post by thethirddoctor on May 30, 2018 16:33:51 GMT
I just switch off, and watch something else. I have one of those old fashioned TVs. Whenever I want to watch something else I have to keep it switched on I'm one of those old fashioned people. Whenever I want to watch something else, I leave the house, and go to the cinema, sports event, live theatre, or watch paint dry.
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Post by thethirddoctor on May 30, 2018 16:38:31 GMT
Subjective criticism is a healthy way to share perspectives and contrasting viewpoints. Has there, though ever been a trend with the Big Finish Main Range for listeners to declare that they don't like it, or that they are not going to listen anymore? I am another who was left cold by series 8, but thought some prominent fans of published repute declaring it as one of the weakest in the 50 year run was a bit harsh. It just seemed more generic to similar shows occupying the time-slot at various stages since 2005. I was pleased though that I stayed tuned for series 9 & 10 - a step up in effort and development for Capaldi's characterisation. Am I the only one who noticed in his gait and outfit, an intentional nod/interpretation of Peter Cushing's screen Dr? There seemed to be more care taken to reflect on balanced criticism and deliver something 'special' that other franchises cannot do within their formats. In a nutshell, I think it is important for audiences to indicate what they do want to see, rather than just a thumbs down to what they did not like. Sometimes, a thumbs down to what they did not like is a good thing. The thumbs up would be the opposite ie. Companions should stay dead. Or, the "fact" I dislike all the companions, bar one in very recent times, being from current time zone. A companion from the past would have been brilliant.
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Post by barnabaslives on May 30, 2018 16:45:24 GMT
Maybe the problem with season 9 was that Jenna Colnan stayed too long rather than Moffatt Speaking as someone who still doesn't quite miss Clara yet, I'm not all that sure that Jenna stayed on too long either but somehow I kept getting the sense that any episode could be Clara's last (I do mean that in a very different sense than companions simply getting into perilous situations and no, it wasn't just wishful thinking on my part). :-) While that heightens the sense of drama it also gets a bit like The Boy Who Cried Wolf - I started to feel a bit jerked around by it, stopped responding to it and even stopped investing much in the character so that even now I suffer quite a bit of indifference about Clara being gone. It was sort of like someone was leaving a party who certainly hadn't overstayed their welcome had shouted "Bye everyone I'm leaving now" and you're sad to see them go but four hours later they're still standing by the door shouting the same thing and you actually start to wish they'd leave now because it's becoming a farce. That was certainly compounded by Series 9 where it felt like Clara leaving had officially become this sort of big production number. With that happening after I'd already mostly quit responding, most of it was wasted on me as were a lot of the poignant points of the relationship between The Doctor and Clara. I do feel like I can go back and watch those episodes and have it be a lot better experience now that I know when she actually leaves and doesn't and won't have my heartstrings being tugged in vain all the time. Things are probably similar with Missy, I'm likely to appreciate her earlier appearances quite a bit more now that I know that the answer to "Dear God, when is she going to stop being so incredibly catty and act more like Delgado?" is apparently "Never". :-)
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Post by thethirddoctor on May 30, 2018 18:07:25 GMT
I will be the first person to admit Smith's final year & Capaldi's first year were very much mixed bags. That said, I am a fan of season 9's series of two-part episodes even though Clara stayed on for too long but as you say, series 10 was outstanding. It felt like a much fresher show and based on it, I was sorry to see everyone leave. Maybe the problem with season 9 was that Jenna Colnan stayed too long rather than Moffatt Clara definitely stayed too long, and it was Moffat decision for her to stay. Unsatisfactory conclusions to her story lines were a fault of poor writing - Orson Pink - Did this time line actually happen? If not, wouldn't events be different? Her death, resurrection, then immortality, her glass death projection? She should have left either at the end of Death in Heaven, or Last Christmas. Unfortunately, she stayed and Moffat had ran out of ideas for her in series 9.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 18:18:52 GMT
Maybe the problem with season 9 was that Jenna Colnan stayed too long rather than Moffatt Clara definitely stayed too long, and it was Moffat decision for her to stay. Unsatisfactory conclusions to her story lines were a fault of poor writing - Orson Pink - Did this time line actually happen? If not, wouldn't events be different? Her death, resurrection, then immortality, her glass death projection? She should have left either at the end of Death in Heaven, or Last Christmas. Unfortunately, she stayed and Moffat had ran out of ideas for her in series 9.
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Post by Ela on May 30, 2018 18:22:06 GMT
Clara definitely stayed too long, and it was Moffat decision for her to stay. Unsatisfactory conclusions to her story lines were a fault of poor writing - Orson Pink - Did this time line actually happen? If not, wouldn't events be different? Her death, resurrection, then immortality, her glass death projection? She should have left either at the end of Death in Heaven, or Last Christmas. Unfortunately, she stayed and Moffat had ran out of ideas for her in series 9. He was offering a comment that I've seen many others offer before. I don't see it as Moffat bashing. The subject of the thread is whether people think Moffat stayed on for too long. Or not.
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Post by thethirddoctor on May 30, 2018 18:30:17 GMT
Clara definitely stayed too long, and it was Moffat decision for her to stay. Unsatisfactory conclusions to her story lines were a fault of poor writing - Orson Pink - Did this time line actually happen? If not, wouldn't events be different? Her death, resurrection, then immortality, her glass death projection? She should have left either at the end of Death in Heaven, or Last Christmas. Unfortunately, she stayed and Moffat had ran out of ideas for her in series 9. Satire.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 18:52:47 GMT
Sorry everyone.
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Post by thethirddoctor on May 30, 2018 21:25:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 22:23:11 GMT
Subjective criticism is a healthy way to share perspectives and contrasting viewpoints. Has there, though ever been a trend with the Big Finish Main Range for listeners to declare that they don't like it, or that they are not going to listen anymore? I am another who was left cold by series 8, but thought some prominent fans of published repute declaring it as one of the weakest in the 50 year run was a bit harsh. It just seemed more generic to similar shows occupying the time-slot at various stages since 2005. I was pleased though that I stayed tuned for series 9 & 10 - a step up in effort and development for Capaldi's characterisation. Am I the only one who noticed in his gait and outfit, an intentional nod/interpretation of Peter Cushing's screen Dr? There seemed to be more care taken to reflect on balanced criticism and deliver something 'special' that other franchises cannot do within their formats. In a nutshell, I think it is important for audiences to indicate what they do want to see, rather than just a thumbs down to what they did not like. Sometimes, a thumbs down to what they did not like is a good thing. The thumbs up would be the opposite ie. Companions should stay dead. Or, the "fact" I dislike all the companions, bar one in very recent times, being from current time zone. A companion from the past would have been brilliant. Any thoughts on Ashildr as played by Maisie Williams as a pseudo companion from the past? Technically she is eligible. I agree that there has been a tendency to wring emotional mileage out of companions too often and too soon, like soap opera characters, as if that's their reason for being. A bit like the 'they've killed Kenny!' business with Rory. I remember as a young child seeing the cliffhanger in the Android Invasion where Sarah loses her face and is revealed to have become an Android. I was devastated and sad that i would never see her again for a whole week (I thought that was it for Sarah, being too young to understand fully). An early crush and an effective emotional tug as it was not the sort of thing that happened every week. It remained my most vividly remembered cliffhanger as a child viewer. At least with Bill they seemed to have learnt that 'less is more' and kept her alive for 10 or so episodes before a grim fate & inevitable resurrection. "Everybody Lives" was the message from Steven Moffatt's first script. Oh for the days when the whole guest cast got wiped out by episode four eh?
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