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Post by paulh on Nov 3, 2018 17:58:45 GMT
One of the things about an audio project like this that feels sort of like cheating is when you have some actors playing multiple parts then you have a character disguising themselves as another character. How is the listener supposed to guess this turn of events? You really don't know which is the situation - a multiple part or a disguise. Finally got round to listening to Shilling and Sixpence and have to agree that this aspect made it quite confusing. Overall it was okay, but not sure I'd buy a second volume if one was ever produced. That said, maybe it improves with a second listen. |
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Post by omega on Nov 3, 2018 19:11:48 GMT
Matthew Waterhouse was plugging this so hard at Big Finish Day today, even handing out flyers!
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Post by velvetrevolv3r6 on Nov 4, 2018 9:04:43 GMT
He signed my flyer when I told him I had already got it 😂 Nice to see he was so passionate about it!
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Post by tuigirl on Nov 4, 2018 9:21:20 GMT
He signed my flyer when I told him I had already got it 😂 Nice to see he was so passionate about it! To be honest, he was pretty good in it. |
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Post by MISSY on Nov 20, 2018 11:22:24 GMT
Matthew Waterhouse was plugging this so hard at Big Finish Day today, even handing out flyers! I thought Matthew was absolutely brilliant in this, he made me smile to myself on several occasions. |
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Post by velvetrevolv3r6 on Nov 20, 2018 13:24:21 GMT
Matthew Waterhouse was plugging this so hard at Big Finish Day today, even handing out flyers! I thought Matthew was absolutely brilliant in this, he made me smile to myself on several occasions. I've just finished episodes 5 & 6 and have to say Matthew's performance was nothing short of incredible! |
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Post by kfbate on Nov 20, 2018 15:16:02 GMT
One of the things about an audio project like this that feels sort of like cheating is when you have some actors playing multiple parts then you have a character disguising themselves as another character. How is the listener supposed to guess this turn of events? You really don't know which is the situation - a multiple part or a disguise. Finally got round to listening to Shilling and Sixpence and have to agree that this aspect made it quite confusing. Overall it was okay, but not sure I'd buy a second volume if one was ever produced. That said, maybe it improves with a second listen. I am in that hell with this audio, either that or my age is starting to tell or I am not able to comprehend and continiuity to the story telling it seems expansive to the point of becoming very ambigious. It is superb in every aspect, apart from I am finding I am losing the thread, of who is actually who, I don't get the concept of people not recalling people that they previously met and knew. I am on my fifth listen from the start, now with a notepad... |
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Post by MISSY on Nov 21, 2018 7:55:53 GMT
Finally got round to listening to Shilling and Sixpence and have to agree that this aspect made it quite confusing. Overall it was okay, but not sure I'd buy a second volume if one was ever produced. That said, maybe it improves with a second listen. I am in that hell with this audio, either that or my age is starting to tell or I am not able to comprehend and continiuity to the story telling it seems expansive to the point of becoming very ambigious. It is superb in every aspect, apart from I am finding I am losing the thread, of who is actually who, I don't get the concept of people not recalling people that they previously met and knew. I am on my fifth listen from the start, now with a notepad... I found that too if I'm honest. But I think that's a bit of a trait with Fairs, he does tend to write in a way that's not straightforward. The Lighthouse and The Abandoned are classic examples. |
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Post by MISSY on Nov 21, 2018 7:58:42 GMT
I think the nature of these stories is that they are on-going, continuing stories, so this release keeps very close to the source material... although I agree the ending was really mean.
The ending is only mean if they don’t do a 2nd lot...love a cliffhanger me I love a cliffhanger too, BUT only if it's resolved. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 8:08:45 GMT
The ending is only mean if they don’t do a 2nd lot...love a cliffhanger me I love a cliffhanger too, BUT only if it's resolved. All depends on wether the sales merit another series at the mercy once again of market forces |
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Post by MISSY on Nov 21, 2018 8:15:55 GMT
I love a cliffhanger too, BUT only if it's resolved. All depends on wether the sales merit another series at the mercy once again of market forces This is why cliffhangers should not happen unless there is a certainty that they can be concluded, it's not fair on the audience. The cliffhanger at the end of season 2 of TIMELESS was nothing short of amazing, then it was cancelled. Had it remained like that it would have been an outrage. Thankfully fan reaction and protest forced a special conclusion movie. It's the same with all media, don't do it unless it can be resolved. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 8:18:02 GMT
All depends on wether the sales merit another series at the mercy once again of market forces This is why cliffhangers should not happen unless there is a certainty that they can be concluded, it's not fair on the audience. The cliffhanger at the end of season 2 of TIMELESS was nothing short of amazing, then it was cancelled. Had it remained like that it would have been an outrage. Thankfully fan reaction and protest forced a special conclusion movie. It's the same with all media, don't do it unless it can be resolved. Yes totally agree it was like the Sarah Connor Chronicles awesome cliffhanger and cancelled.Farscape too...but at least we ended up with Peacekeeper Wars.Yes unless there’s a second series they should not end on cliff hangers |
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Post by kfbate on Nov 21, 2018 8:37:30 GMT
This is why cliffhangers should not happen unless there is a certainty that they can be concluded, it's not fair on the audience. The cliffhanger at the end of season 2 of TIMELESS was nothing short of amazing, then it was cancelled. Had it remained like that it would have been an outrage. Thankfully fan reaction and protest forced a special conclusion movie. It's the same with all media, don't do it unless it can be resolved. Yes totally agree it was like the Sarah Connor Chronicles awesome cliffhanger and cancelled.Farscape too...but at least we ended up with Peacekeeper Wars.Yes unless there’s a second series they should not end on cliff hangers Personally l think there will be a second series. This sort of fills a gap of sorts. It’s got a sort of Jago and Litefoot as it’s got a pair of investigators and it’s got that classic tea time drama feel that also predominated the J&L stuff. But l will stand corrected. |
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Post by velvetrevolv3r6 on Nov 21, 2018 13:42:05 GMT
The ending is only mean if they don’t do a 2nd lot...love a cliffhanger me I love a cliffhanger too, BUT only if it's resolved. I've just finished the series off myself and * that* cliffhanger was blooming marvelous! Was rather nice to see a certain actor take on a more sinister role as well... |
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 27, 2018 12:12:17 GMT
I listened to this and enjoyed it overall. My main feeling, and this may be heresy on this forum, was that it didn't work especially well as audio drama and would have worked much better on stage or on TV. If it was a prestigious Sunday night period drama it would be getting BAFTA nominations.
what didn't work for me was the number of accents, which detracted from my enjoyment because it comes across as a device to unsuccessfully disguise the fact that there are only a small number of actors doubling or tripling up for all the parts. As has been pointed out above, it got confusing because it was unclear when we were listening to an actor doubling up or a character disguising themselves by adopting a different accent. This meant I was able to guess the final twist before it happened.
when a character disguises themselves as another character on TV there are lots of visual misdirections that can be employed to mislead the audience. On audio it is only the actor's voice and when it is a performer as ubiquitous in BF as Louise Jameson ... well, we've heard all the accents before (e.g. Belfast accent in the Time Vampire)and the twist just falls flat. BF would have been better employing an actor who had never appeared in a BF production before whose voice(s) we did not know.
this maybe comes across as a harsh review and it's not intended to be ... overall it was good an I will buy series 2 if it comes out, but this aspect of it just didn't work for me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 17:24:25 GMT
I listened to this and enjoyed it overall. My main feeling, and this may be heresy on this forum, was that it didn't work especially well as audio drama and would have worked much better on stage or on TV. If it was a prestigious Sunday night period drama it would be getting BAFTA nominations. what didn't work for me was the number of accents, which detracted from my enjoyment because it comes across as a device to unsuccessfully disguise the fact that there are only a small number of actors doubling or tripling up for all the parts. As has been pointed out above, it got confusing because it was unclear when we were listening to an actor doubling up or a character disguising themselves by adopting a different accent. This meant I was able to guess the final twist before it happened. when a character disguises themselves as another character on TV there are lots of visual misdirections that can be employed to mislead the audience. On audio it is only the actor's voice and when it is a performer as ubiquitous in BF as Louise Jameson ... well, we've heard all the accents before (e.g. Belfast accent in the Time Vampire)and the twist just falls flat. BF would have been better employing an actor who had never appeared in a BF production before whose voice(s) we did not know. this maybe comes across as a harsh review and it's not intended to be ... overall it was good an I will buy series 2 if it comes out, but this aspect of it just didn't work for me. I tend to agree that Louise and I do love her but it should have been a different actress playing that part... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 17:25:00 GMT
But I did love it in spite of that minor thing
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Post by daver on Nov 30, 2018 18:25:49 GMT
I was going to point out earlier in the week, but it is on the BF website now, but Audible is offering this for one credit (£7.99). Seems a good way to get these download only releases. Still holding onto this months credit for the Second Target Alien Worlds Collection though (The Sensorites, The Space War, Planet of the Daleks, The Ribos Operation and The Androids of Tara).
I wasn't too taken by the preview sample of Shilling and Sixpence, though I do love the Joan Hickson Miss Marple productions. I don't know how it compares tonally to that once it gets going.
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Post by Digi on Dec 28, 2018 12:18:32 GMT
Finally got round to listening to Shilling and Sixpence and have to agree that this aspect made it quite confusing. Overall it was okay, but not sure I'd buy a second volume if one was ever produced. That said, maybe it improves with a second listen. I am in that hell with this audio, either that or my age is starting to tell or I am not able to comprehend and continiuity to the story telling it seems expansive to the point of becoming very ambigious. It is superb in every aspect, apart from I am finding I am losing the thread, of who is actually who, I don't get the concept of people not recalling people that they previously met and knew. I am on my fifth listen from the start, now with a notepad... It's not just you. I'm finally getting around to listening to this now (did episodes 1 & 2 yesterday, 3 & 4 this morning) and I am having an absolute hell of a time keeping track of what's going on. For me, at least, the problem is twofold: it seems like there are just too many characters to keep track of, and a lot of them sound very similar to my ear. It's a really well-produced set. I'll need to give this a relisten (or three) at some point and take notes as I go, but this first time through.... |
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Post by bobod on Jan 4, 2019 5:50:41 GMT
All depends on wether the sales merit another series at the mercy once again of market forces This is why cliffhangers should not happen unless there is a certainty that they can be concluded, it's not fair on the audience. The cliffhanger at the end of season 2 of TIMELESS was nothing short of amazing, then it was cancelled. Had it remained like that it would have been an outrage. Thankfully fan reaction and protest forced a special conclusion movie. It's the same with all media, don't do it unless it can be resolved. I've genuinely no objection to something I enjoy ending either on a cliff-hanger or open-ended. |
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