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Post by omega on Nov 21, 2018 10:29:34 GMT
And this gets a fantastic video trailer as well
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Post by melkur on Nov 21, 2018 11:01:52 GMT
"I went on a course at London Zoo once. Held a tarantula, 'threw it straight out a window..."
"I named her 'Elizabeth'"
More Osgood in things. Please and thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 5:52:33 GMT
Enjoyed the first story Parts 1 and 2 will get to listen to the others this evening hopefully
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 22, 2018 18:53:55 GMT
I ended up having two very long journeys today, so managed to get through the set!
Let’s start off with Hosts of the Wirrn. I normally have a little sigh when I see yet another returning monster in this range. Yet it’s a fantastic story and adds new things to the Wirrn mythology. Chris Chapman writes Kate and Osgood perfect here. Shana is a great new character and gets lots of development, particularly in Part 1. The only criticism of that is it makes you realise how little they’ve done for UNIT’s supporting cast in the previous six sets! A shout out to the sound design of this one too, the Wirrn sound effective and disgusting and the idea of mass panic is conveyed well. Shindi and Josh are used well too.
Breach of Trust is another brilliant story. Like the previous story, Kate and Osgood are written perfectly, this time by David K Barnes. It’s a different slant on their relationship, exploring how different they are as characters, yet in the end they’re a really solid pairing. It’s a lovely story that, despite potentially high stakes, is refreshingly low key. There’s subtle character development for Shindi and Josh too, in the form of what their opinions are in dealing with the threat.
If the inevitable UNIT 9-12 gives us access to post-Day of the Doctor stories, then I’d like either Chris or David to pen the aftermath of the Zygon peace treaty. I reckon that could be a pretty special story and set up The Zygon Invasion / Inversion some more.
And finally, Open the Box. Maybe my least favourite of the set, but it’s another great instalment. It’s got a cameo from Shindi, as it’s lrimarily the trio of Kate, Osgood and Josh. It presents further character development for Josh and I really like the little strands of story each character gets. Chin Lee’s involvement doesn’t really amount to much, however.
Overall a terrific set. The absence of Bishop works well, I think. It gives a clearer idea of who Shindi and Josh are as characters. I think the range often stumbles on two things: an over reliance on nostalgia and the lack of development for its supporting cast. The former makes up three quarters of the set, but it’s used effectively. There’s scarcely any of the latter this time around. Very happy indeed!
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 22, 2018 19:03:08 GMT
I ended up having two very long journeys today, so managed to get through the set! Let’s start off with Hosts of the Wirrn. I normally have a little sigh when I see yet another returning monster in this range. Yet it’s a fantastic story and adds new things to the Wirrn mythology. Chris Chapman writes Kate and Osgood perfect here. Shana is a great new character and gets lots of development, particularly in Part 1. The only criticism of that is it makes you realise how little they’ve done for UNIT’s supporting cast in the previous six sets! A shout out to the sound design of this one too, the Wirrn sound effective and disgusting and the idea of mass panic is conveyed well. Shindi and Josh are used well too. Breach of Trust is another brilliant story. Like the previous story, Kate and Osgood are written perfectly, this time by David K Barnes. It’s a different slant on their relationship, exploring how different they are as characters, yet in the end they’re a really solid pairing. It’s a lovely story that, despite potentially high stakes, is refreshingly low key. There’s subtle character development for Shindi and Josh too, in the form of what their opinions are in dealing with the threat. If the inevitable UNIT 9-12 gives us access to post-Day of the Doctor stories, then I’d like either Chris or David to pen the aftermath of the Zygon peace treaty. I reckon that could be a pretty special story and set up The Zygon Invasion / Inversion some more. And finally, Open the Box. Maybe my least favourite of the set, but it’s another great instalment. It’s got a cameo from Shindi, as it’s lrimarily the trio of Kate, Osgood and Josh. It presents further character development for Josh and I really like the little strands of story each character gets. Chin Lee’s involvement doesn’t really amount to much, however. Overall a terrific set. The absence of Bishop works well, I think. It gives a clearer idea of who Shindi and Josh are as characters. I think the range often stumbles on two things: an over reliance on nostalgia and the lack of development for its supporting cast. The former makes up three quarters of the set, but it’s used effectively. There’s scarcely any of the latter this time around. Very happy indeed! I think that the second set onwards are supposed to be post-Day of the Doctor but for reason with this weird lack of reference to another Osgood.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 22, 2018 19:26:45 GMT
They’re all pre-Day of the Doctor. Kate and Osgood have yet to meet the Doctor, as they’ve mentioned several times across the range so far.
For a time it seemed we’d move on once Cyber Reality was announced. Ultimately, it wasn’t the promised rematch between Kate and the Cybermen because it was her first encounter of them and not even of the variety in Death in Heaven.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 23, 2018 0:02:12 GMT
They’re all pre-Day of the Doctor. Kate and Osgood have yet to meet the Doctor, as they’ve mentioned several times across the range so far. For a time it seemed we’d move on once Cyber Reality was announced. Ultimately, it wasn’t the promised rematch between Kate and the Cybermen because it was her first encounter of them and not even of the variety in Death in Heaven. Kate has definitely met the Doctor. The original announcement placed the first set between Power of Three and Day of the Doctor, and Shindi references Power of Three in Cyber-Reality. I’ve also heard that Osgood remembers seeing the Two Doctors in the Tower of London in UNIT: Shutdown, but I’ve not heard that Boxset so I don’t know how accurate that claim is.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 23, 2018 12:04:34 GMT
Must say I don’t remember those particular references, so well spotted. In Silenced Kate and Osgood mentioned they’d not met the Doctor. I think it’s the same in Assembled and Kate seems to imply that she’s not met him in Revisitations too.
A UNIT dating crisis for the modern day seems strangely apt!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 6:53:45 GMT
Totally enjoyed Breach of Trust good story strongest for me from the set
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 6:59:48 GMT
Totally enjoyed Breach of Trust good story strongest for me from the set I’m only half way through. Looking forward to the last two stories. The Wirrn tale was a cracking listen: Incredibly repulsive sound design! Yes all that squelching😁
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 24, 2018 14:07:18 GMT
To save on quoting, I'll just tag you two, shallacatop and themeddlingmonk I think shallacatop is right on all these sets being pre- The Day of the Doctor, as Osgood at least certainly hadn't met the Doctor by Assembled. As for Encounters onwards, I suppose it's possible we're in post- Day territory (I can't remember Osgood's position on having met the Doctor or not in these), but we're certainly not up to Death in Heaven as, likes shallacatop mentioned, Kate hadn't personally encountered Cybermen before in Cyber-Reality (though the model in Cyber-Reality are the same as those in Death in Heaven, if the cover art is anything to go by). As you say, themeddlingmonk, at least the first four or so sets definitely take place between The Power of Three and The Day of the Doctor*. I feel like they're all supposed to take place before Day though, especially given the emphasis in the The Eighth of March box set description for the Kate and Osgood episode: "starring Kate Stewart, Osgood and… the other Osgood!" This seems to imply that it's a first for them in this particular era of UNIT, but it could also easily be argued that they're simply making a point of the fact that they are absolutely doing a Two Osgood's story. However, I do believe, what with Big Finish being Big Finish, if any of the main UNIT box sets were set post- Day they would make a clear point of it. There's my two cents on the matter, anyway *Referenced in this article: ttps://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/unit-extinction-coming-november-9th-2015 . Took a while to find - it was the fifth of the six news articles relating to the release of Extinction.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 24, 2018 14:37:51 GMT
To save on quoting, I'll just tag you two, shallacatop and themeddlingmonk I think shallacatop is right on all these sets being pre- The Day of the Doctor, as Osgood at least certainly hadn't met the Doctor by Assembled. As for Encounters onwards, I suppose it's possible we're in post- Day territory (I can't remember Osgood's position on having met the Doctor or not in these), but we're certainly not up to Death in Heaven as, likes shallacatop mentioned, Kate hadn't personally encountered Cybermen before in Cyber-Reality (though the model in Cyber-Reality are the same as those in Death in Heaven, if the cover art is anything to go by). As you say, themeddlingmonk, at least the first four or so sets definitely take place between The Power of Three and The Day of the Doctor*. I feel like they're all supposed to take place before Day though, especially given the emphasis in the The Eighth of March box set description for the Kate and Osgood episode: "starring Kate Stewart, Osgood and… the other Osgood!" This seems to imply that it's a first for them in this particular era of UNIT, but it could also easily be argued that they're simply making a point of the fact that they are absolutely doing a Two Osgood's story. However, I do believe, what with Big Finish being Big Finish, if any of the main UNIT box sets were set post- Day they would make a clear point of it. There's my two cents on the matter, anyway *Referenced in this article: ttps://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/unit-extinction-coming-november-9th-2015 . Took a while to find - it was the fifth of the six news articles relating to the release of Extinction. Im still really interested to hear from someone who’s heard Shutdown, what that dialogue about Osgood seeing Two Doctors in the Tower of London actually meant. Like the first three sets have to come in release order because of Shindi’s injury, and the first set is definitely pre-Day. Assembled seems to be the main one people use to place the sets before Day, but I’ve not heard it so I don’t know what all the references are. Then the latest three all have to come in release order because they’re all linked by the Auctioneers and the Master, and all we know for certain is that they’re post-Power of Three and Pre-Death in Heaven. So I think where we place them really does depend wholly on the specific phrasing of what Osgood says about the Doctor. And please someone give me damn clarification about this supposed Line in Shutdown.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 24, 2018 14:59:09 GMT
To save on quoting, I'll just tag you two, shallacatop and themeddlingmonk I think shallacatop is right on all these sets being pre- The Day of the Doctor, as Osgood at least certainly hadn't met the Doctor by Assembled. As for Encounters onwards, I suppose it's possible we're in post- Day territory (I can't remember Osgood's position on having met the Doctor or not in these), but we're certainly not up to Death in Heaven as, likes shallacatop mentioned, Kate hadn't personally encountered Cybermen before in Cyber-Reality (though the model in Cyber-Reality are the same as those in Death in Heaven, if the cover art is anything to go by). As you say, themeddlingmonk, at least the first four or so sets definitely take place between The Power of Three and The Day of the Doctor*. I feel like they're all supposed to take place before Day though, especially given the emphasis in the The Eighth of March box set description for the Kate and Osgood episode: "starring Kate Stewart, Osgood and… the other Osgood!" This seems to imply that it's a first for them in this particular era of UNIT, but it could also easily be argued that they're simply making a point of the fact that they are absolutely doing a Two Osgood's story. However, I do believe, what with Big Finish being Big Finish, if any of the main UNIT box sets were set post- Day they would make a clear point of it. There's my two cents on the matter, anyway *Referenced in this article: ttps://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/unit-extinction-coming-november-9th-2015 . Took a while to find - it was the fifth of the six news articles relating to the release of Extinction. I’ve always inferred that Power of Three is set a few years after The Day of the Doctor. It’s the first time for the Doctor meeting Kate, but I’d say she’s met him a few times previously. Certainly she seems to imply she’s not met him in the UNIT sets. And she’d know how to approach meeting the Doctor out of order. As for Cyber Reality, the voices seem to imply that they’re The Invasion type Cybermen that are invading. Would make sense too, given the set is pre-Death in Heaven and Kate chucks an Invasion era Cyber head on the floor.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 24, 2018 15:07:27 GMT
To save on quoting, I'll just tag you two, shallacatop and themeddlingmonk I think shallacatop is right on all these sets being pre- The Day of the Doctor, as Osgood at least certainly hadn't met the Doctor by Assembled. As for Encounters onwards, I suppose it's possible we're in post- Day territory (I can't remember Osgood's position on having met the Doctor or not in these), but we're certainly not up to Death in Heaven as, likes shallacatop mentioned, Kate hadn't personally encountered Cybermen before in Cyber-Reality (though the model in Cyber-Reality are the same as those in Death in Heaven, if the cover art is anything to go by). As you say, themeddlingmonk, at least the first four or so sets definitely take place between The Power of Three and The Day of the Doctor*. I feel like they're all supposed to take place before Day though, especially given the emphasis in the The Eighth of March box set description for the Kate and Osgood episode: "starring Kate Stewart, Osgood and… the other Osgood!" This seems to imply that it's a first for them in this particular era of UNIT, but it could also easily be argued that they're simply making a point of the fact that they are absolutely doing a Two Osgood's story. However, I do believe, what with Big Finish being Big Finish, if any of the main UNIT box sets were set post- Day they would make a clear point of it. There's my two cents on the matter, anyway *Referenced in this article: ttps://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/unit-extinction-coming-november-9th-2015 . Took a while to find - it was the fifth of the six news articles relating to the release of Extinction. I’ve always inferred that Power of Three is set a few years after The Day of the Doctor. It’s the first time for the Doctor meeting Kate, but I’d say she’s met him a few times previously. Certainly she seems to imply she’s not met him in the UNIT sets. And she’d know how to approach meeting the Doctor out of order. As for Cyber Reality, the voices seem to imply that they’re The Invasion type Cybermen that are invading. Would make sense too, given the set is pre-Death in Heaven and Kate chucks an Invasion era Cyber head on the floor. I used to think the same about the placement of Power of Three but I’ve since come to the conclusion that it can actually fit before Day of the Doctor, so I’d just rather place it by initial intent than push it back and assume Kate was pretending, when there are other options.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 24, 2018 15:21:47 GMT
To be pedantic, is it actually “original intent”? Isn’t The Power of Three is set a few years in the future from when it was broadcast in 2012? As in 2018-2020? Clara was from the modern day at the time, so The Day of the Doctor is approx. 2013.
As I said, it’s all pedantic. The original point was that when the UNIT range moves to post-Day I hope they can get Chapman or Barnes to script a story that’s character driven and deals with the aftermath of the Zygon peace treaty. A sort of prequel for The Zygon Invasion.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 24, 2018 15:29:06 GMT
To be pedantic, is it actually “original intent”? Isn’t The Power of Three is set a few years in the future from when it was broadcast in 2012? As in 2018-2020? Clara was from the modern day at the time, so The Day of the Doctor is approx. 2013. As I said, it’s all pedantic. The original point was that when the UNIT range moves to post-Day I hope they can get Chapman or Barnes to script a story that’s character driven and deals with the aftermath of the Zygon peace treaty. A sort of prequel for The Zygon Invasion. The Power of Three was intended to be the first meeting between the Doctor and Kate but Moffat forgot about the dates when it came to Day of the Doctor. Besides, Power of Three is never specifically dated. People think it’s set in 2018-20 because of Amy’s 10 year comment, but she specifically says that’s it’s been 10 years for her and Rory, but not for the Doctor or Earth.
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 24, 2018 15:30:16 GMT
(Just saving on quoting two people again ) themeddlingmonk - I have heard all of the sets, including Shutdown (twice, in this set's case!), but there was no mention of anything about Osgood and the two Doctors that stuck with me. Going purely on the strength that that sort of information general does stick with me, I'm prepared to go out on a limb and say what you heard about this two Doctors reference has a 90% probability of being inaccurate. I'm not trying to be arrogant by saying "Since I don't remember it, it didn't happen", I'm just saying that my brain does tends to pick up on that sort of stuff and that it isn't wrong too often; not something I can do anything about, it just sort of happens. Having said that, I've checked the Wiki's for Shutdown and have come up with this continuity point from the first episode (paraphrased for spoiler reasons): "Osgood... remembers seeing a police box and a man in a bow tie at the Tower of London". While this is fairly conclusive, wriggle room could be made that she saw an image, like on the board in the Black Archive as seen in The Day of the Doctor, of some event that just happens to bear similarities to Day. Not the most compelling argument, I grant you, the positive evidence from the rests of the sets would make this an easier retcon for everything to make sense. And as for Assembled, I've heard that twice too, and there are very firm statements to the fact that Osgood hasn't met the Doctor yet. One of the bigger points of the second episode is that Osgood gets to spend some time with Jo, and she's the biggest fan girl you can imagine because she's meeting someone who actually travelled with the Doctor. There's also a point where the TARDIS is heard as her ringtone, at the confusion to which she also remarks that it wasn't the man himself arriving, although she wished he would (or something to that effect). shallacatop - I've never thought about The Power of Three and The Day of the Doctor as being in the the opposite order for Kate. Outside of River Song, the TV series has never really gone out of its way to tell stories out of chronological sequence in this manner, and since it was never verbally addressed onscreen, I think this head-canon is just a bit confusing, personally. I seem to remember the Cyber-Reality voices being quite distinctly different from the ones in The Invasion. In fact, I've just checked the trailer (can't check the episodes themselves at the moment), and the modulation used is definitely different from the ones used for the Invasion Cybermen. And chucking the head of an Invasion era Cyberman was made more as an Easter Egg than anything else, plus the fact that the Cybermen in Cyber-Reality aren't the same "breed" as the ones in Death in Heaven (that's as much as I can say here without going into spoilers, but as you've heard it I hope you'll understand my meaning).
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 24, 2018 15:39:33 GMT
Could it be that Assembled comes earlier than the rest?
It seems to be the odd one out because the first three and latest three sets are directly linked, but again I don’t know much about that set.
It would really depend on continuity references to previous sets and whether or not there’s any mention of Josh’s Auton-ness.
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 24, 2018 16:27:33 GMT
Could it be that Assembled comes earlier than the rest? It seems to be the odd one out because the first three and latest three sets are directly linked, but again I don’t know much about that set. It would really depend on continuity references to previous sets and whether or not there’s any mention of Josh’s Auton-ness. I'm pretty certain the Josh thing is mentioned. I think it's mentioned in every set just to make everyone aware that it's a thing (in case you haven't listened to Extinction).
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 24, 2018 16:37:43 GMT
Could it be that Assembled comes earlier than the rest? It seems to be the odd one out because the first three and latest three sets are directly linked, but again I don’t know much about that set. It would really depend on continuity references to previous sets and whether or not there’s any mention of Josh’s Auton-ness. I'm pretty certain the Josh thing is mentioned. I think it's mentioned in every set just to make everyone aware that it's a thing (in case you haven't listened to Extinction). That was something I’d noticed in the two sets I’ve heard other than Extinction (Encounters and Cyber-Reality). All you can really do is chalk the Day of the Doctor reference in Shutdown, down as a continuity error then, that is if the wiki hasn’t misinterpreted the line. Another issue that crops up is the fact that Lady Christina occurs shortly after Cyber-Reality, though again from what I’ve heard from other’s, having not heard the set myself, apparently Christina talks as though she’s just come out of Planet Of the Dead.
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