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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 1:48:19 GMT
(...) Variety is the name of the game. The New Adventures more than anything to me are capital-a Ambitious. I've read 21(!) of them now and even in the weaker ones there's a certain spark, whereas with the weaker BBC books, I find myself getting bored. I'll always take mad-but-misguided over middle-of-the-road. Yeah, by the time of Time's Crucible, they definitely weren't the Classic Series and a lot of the ideas that pop up here wouldn't be entirely emblematic of the New Series either. They're an era all of their own, pretty much defining what Doctor Who was like in that first stretch between Survival and the TVM. Cyberpunk as a subgenre was coming into vogue, the science fiction was pushed further than TV would have allowed (crashing space elevators and children with the faces of silver dragons) and the bold uncertainty of knowing you're the only game in town, so you have to make the most of it. And they did, a lot of the writers who contributed to that range have ended up writing for NuWho or Big Finish. The best way I can describe the experience is through a pair of guys collectively called Cybertech. They released two tribute albums for the show during that period -- one was for the Classic Series, the other was for the NAs. Sylvester McCoy and Sophie Aldred put their voices onto tracks that recreate scenes from Iceberg and First Frontier, respectively. But the pair of tracks I remember are the ones for Nightshade. First, the show's main theme, which is what you expect of something from the 1960s. Mild, a little eerie, but manageable for those of a "nervous disposition". Then comes "Trevithick's Monsters"... The fight in the telescope station. It starts off with this rattle, creaking and in a rush, it explodes into this aggressively energetic version of the theme as he climbs for his life. Everything once contained in that television set bursting into existence, snarling, scrabbling and laughing at Trevithick as he tries to fight back against it. That's the NAs to me. A series that fought its way into the future, dragging the original's values and tenants by the wrist right through with it. With none of the limitations put on it by the practicalities of television.
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Post by Ela on Sept 4, 2018 0:24:36 GMT
The New Adventures more than anything to me are capital-a Ambitious. I've read 21(!) of them now and even in the weaker ones there's a certain spark, whereas with the weaker BBC books, I find myself getting bored. I'll always take mad-but-misguided over middle-of-the-road. Yeah, by the time of Time's Crucible, they definitely weren't the Classic Series and a lot of the ideas that pop up here wouldn't be entirely emblematic of the New Series either. They're an era all of their own, pretty much defining what Doctor Who was like in that first stretch between Survival and the TVM. Cyberpunk as a subgenre was coming into vogue, the science fiction was pushed further than TV would have allowed (crashing space elevators and children with the faces of silver dragons) and the bold uncertainty of knowing you're the only game in town, so you have to make the most of it. And they did, a lot of the writers who contributed to that range have ended up writing for NuWho or Big Finish. The best way I can describe the experience is through a pair of guys collectively called Cybertech. They released two tribute albums for the show during that period -- one was for the Classic Series, the other was for the NAs. Sylvester McCoy and Sophie Aldred put their voices onto tracks that recreate scenes from Iceberg and First Frontier, respectively. But the pair of tracks I remember are the ones for Nightshade. First, the show's main theme, which is what you expect of something from the 1960s. Mild, a little eerie, but manageable for those of a "nervous disposition". Then comes "Trevithick's Monsters"... The fight in the telescope station. It starts off with this rattle, creaking and in a rush, it explodes into this aggressively energetic version of the theme as he climbs for his life. Everything once contained in that television set bursting into existence, snarling, scrabbling and laughing at Trevithick as he tries to fight back against it. That's the NAs to me. A series that fought its way into the future, dragging the original's values and tenants by the wrist right through with it. With none of the limitations put on it by the practicalities of television. Some of the NAs are pretty unusual and different, that's for sure. I found them of very variable quality and, accordingly had various levels of interest (or disinterest) in the stories, depending on the release. Some strayed into the bizarre, as far as I'm concerned. Would be interesting to see what I'd think if I re-read them all now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 0:39:45 GMT
Yeah, by the time of Time's Crucible, they definitely weren't the Classic Series and a lot of the ideas that pop up here wouldn't be entirely emblematic of the New Series either. They're an era all of their own, pretty much defining what Doctor Who was like in that first stretch between Survival and the TVM. Cyberpunk as a subgenre was coming into vogue, the science fiction was pushed further than TV would have allowed (crashing space elevators and children with the faces of silver dragons) and the bold uncertainty of knowing you're the only game in town, so you have to make the most of it. And they did, a lot of the writers who contributed to that range have ended up writing for NuWho or Big Finish. The best way I can describe the experience is through a pair of guys collectively called Cybertech. They released two tribute albums for the show during that period -- one was for the Classic Series, the other was for the NAs. Sylvester McCoy and Sophie Aldred put their voices onto tracks that recreate scenes from Iceberg and First Frontier, respectively. But the pair of tracks I remember are the ones for Nightshade. First, the show's main theme, which is what you expect of something from the 1960s. Mild, a little eerie, but manageable for those of a "nervous disposition". Then comes "Trevithick's Monsters"... The fight in the telescope station. It starts off with this rattle, creaking and in a rush, it explodes into this aggressively energetic version of the theme as he climbs for his life. Everything once contained in that television set bursting into existence, snarling, scrabbling and laughing at Trevithick as he tries to fight back against it. That's the NAs to me. A series that fought its way into the future, dragging the original's values and tenants by the wrist right through with it. With none of the limitations put on it by the practicalities of television. Some of the NAs are pretty unusual and different, that's for sure. I found them of very variable quality and, accordingly had various levels of interest (or disinterest) in the stories, depending on the release. Some strayed into the bizarre, as far as I'm concerned. Would be interesting to see what I'd think if I re-read them all now. Yeah, you never really know what to expect going from book-to-book. I'm always surprised by what sticks from my first reading of them and what changes. All-Consuming Fire I originally read with Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes, but since the adaptation, it's definitely Nick Briggs that pops into my brain. Transit, on the other hand, always sticks with me -- and I'm not sure why -- as Doctor Who via anime. Cell-shaded drawings and everything.
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Post by doctorkernow on Sept 7, 2018 9:21:18 GMT
Hello again.
Ahh yes the New Adventures, taking Dr Who boldly into the Nneties. I've enjoyed the novel adaptations I've heard, Love and War and Damaged Goods. The Capper is extremely scary!
I think original stories for Chris and Ros are an interesting idea however there are other titles in the range I'd love to see adapted.
Bad Therapy is one that really resonated with me when I read it. Lungbarrow too I enjoyed as a murder mystery set in the Doctor's very odd ancestral home.
While Just War and Exodus were for me frightening looks into the Nazi regime and how the Doctor had to deal with them. Not sure how you would adapt the latter two though.
I loved Millennial Rites too, but I think I'm in a minority of one!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 9:47:05 GMT
Hello again. Ahh yes the New Adventures, taking Dr Who boldly into the Nneties. I've enjoyed the novel adaptations I've heard, Love and War and Damaged Goods. The Capper is extremely scary! I think original stories for Chris and Ros are an interesting idea however there are other titles in the range I'd love to see adapted. Bad Therapy is one that really resonated with me when I read it. Lungbarrow too I enjoyed as a murder mystery set in the Doctor's very odd ancestral home. While Just War and Exodus were for me frightening looks into the Nazi regime and how the Doctor had to deal with them. Not sure how you would adapt the latter two though. I loved Millennial Rites too, but I think I'm in a minority of one! It can be a bit rough around the edges, but I'll put my hand up for Millennial Rites too. I particularly enjoy the latter half, with the change over to the Great Kingdom after everything goes so... catastrophically... wrong. Chapel, Travers, the convergence of everyone's own schemes into one big ball of mayhem. I reckon it could've made a very decent four-parter back in its day. And I'm a sucker for any Six/Valeyard story, it's one of my favourite dynamics to explore.
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Post by doctorkernow on Sept 7, 2018 17:21:15 GMT
Hello again. Okay, so a minority of two! "And I'm a sucker for any Six/Valeyard story, it's one of my favourite dynamics to explore. " [Wolfie] Agreed. It was this story that really made that last couple of episodes of the Trial make sense. Felt really sad about what happened to Anne Chappel and enjoyed the development of Mel's character. Kate Orman's Set Piece would be an interesting adaptation. A real rollercoaster ride, with some interesting story threads for Ace and Bennie.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 11:05:48 GMT
Hello again. Okay, so a minority of two! "And I'm a sucker for any Six/Valeyard story, it's one of my favourite dynamics to explore. " [Wolfie] Agreed. It was this story that really made that last couple of episodes of the Trial make sense. Felt really sad about what happened to Anne Chappel and enjoyed the development of Mel's character. Kate Orman's Set Piece would be an interesting adaptation. A real rollercoaster ride, with some interesting story threads for Ace and Bennie. The thread with Anne in particular sticks with me for being a really nice exploration of the toll some of these events can have on ordinary people. It's even more poignant after the Lethbridge-Stewart stories we have now. If you can find a copy of Time's Champion, all the stuff set up in Trial and Millennial Rites comes to fruition in a very big way. The Doctor's finally able to get catharsis for this dark shadow that's been hanging over his existence since he was snatched away from Thoros Beta to Zenobia: {Spoiler}"The fact is that I was afraid of you in the days and years following my trial, afraid of what I'd seen you do and how that reflected on me. I was disappointed, ashamed with myself over the possibility that there was enough evil seeded throughout my lives to give rise to something so abhorrent as you, especially when I realised how much of that aberration seemed evident in my own life.
But then I remembered who I was. Then things started to change for me. I resumed my travels; I took on new companions, who strengthened and inspired me, and I sought out the evils in the universe and fought them once more. I enjoyed myself again. But above all that, there was one thing in my mind which kept pushing me forward, one person always before me in my mind's eye which motivated me to be a little better, to be a little kinder, a little quieter, a little more myself. It was you, Valeyard. You, the very antithesis of my self, became the source of my redemption. You have made me more of who I am, and I am better for it. Do I fear you? No. For meeting you then and here today, I thank you. You have made me the Doctor." Set Piece would be rad. I'd be very interested to see what Ship and its Ants sounds like an audio.
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Post by newt5996 on Sept 9, 2018 13:10:22 GMT
Hello again. Okay, so a minority of two! "And I'm a sucker for any Six/Valeyard story, it's one of my favourite dynamics to explore. " [Wolfie] Agreed. It was this story that really made that last couple of episodes of the Trial make sense. Felt really sad about what happened to Anne Chappel and enjoyed the development of Mel's character. Kate Orman's Set Piece would be an interesting adaptation. A real rollercoaster ride, with some interesting story threads for Ace and Bennie. The thread with Anne in particular sticks with me for being a really nice exploration of the toll some of these events can have on ordinary people. It's even more poignant after the Lethbridge-Stewart stories we have now. If you can find a copy of Time's Champion, all the stuff set up in Trial and Millennial Rites comes to fruition in a very big way. The Doctor's finally able to get catharsis for this dark shadow that's been hanging over his existence since he was snatched away from Thoros Beta to Zenobia: {Spoiler}"The fact is that I was afraid of you in the days and years following my trial, afraid of what I'd seen you do and how that reflected on me. I was disappointed, ashamed with myself over the possibility that there was enough evil seeded throughout my lives to give rise to something so abhorrent as you, especially when I realised how much of that aberration seemed evident in my own life.
But then I remembered who I was. Then things started to change for me. I resumed my travels; I took on new companions, who strengthened and inspired me, and I sought out the evils in the universe and fought them once more. I enjoyed myself again. But above all that, there was one thing in my mind which kept pushing me forward, one person always before me in my mind's eye which motivated me to be a little better, to be a little kinder, a little quieter, a little more myself. It was you, Valeyard. You, the very antithesis of my self, became the source of my redemption. You have made me more of who I am, and I am better for it. Do I fear you? No. For meeting you then and here today, I thank you. You have made me the Doctor." Set Piece would be rad. I'd be very interested to see what Ship and its Ants sounds like an audio. For no particular reason, what would you think Ship and it’s ants sound like?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 0:33:39 GMT
The thread with Anne in particular sticks with me for being a really nice exploration of the toll some of these events can have on ordinary people. It's even more poignant after the Lethbridge-Stewart stories we have now. If you can find a copy of Time's Champion, all the stuff set up in Trial and Millennial Rites comes to fruition in a very big way. The Doctor's finally able to get catharsis for this dark shadow that's been hanging over his existence since he was snatched away from Thoros Beta to Zenobia: {Spoiler}"The fact is that I was afraid of you in the days and years following my trial, afraid of what I'd seen you do and how that reflected on me. I was disappointed, ashamed with myself over the possibility that there was enough evil seeded throughout my lives to give rise to something so abhorrent as you, especially when I realised how much of that aberration seemed evident in my own life.
But then I remembered who I was. Then things started to change for me. I resumed my travels; I took on new companions, who strengthened and inspired me, and I sought out the evils in the universe and fought them once more. I enjoyed myself again. But above all that, there was one thing in my mind which kept pushing me forward, one person always before me in my mind's eye which motivated me to be a little better, to be a little kinder, a little quieter, a little more myself. It was you, Valeyard. You, the very antithesis of my self, became the source of my redemption. You have made me more of who I am, and I am better for it. Do I fear you? No. For meeting you then and here today, I thank you. You have made me the Doctor." Set Piece would be rad. I'd be very interested to see what Ship and its Ants sounds like an audio. For no particular reason, what would you think Ship and it’s ants sound like? Oh, difficult to say... Maybe something surgical? Metallic? They're meant to be silent, but I get this feeling of a mercury sound that leaves this acid tang in the back of the mouth. Like when you run a bit of metal cutlery across your teeth (usually by accident). For Ship? I'd say Ship and the Many from System Shock 2 have a lot in common audio-wise. Maybe a bit drier? It doesn't rustle, but rasp. Something that makes the listener feel like its trying to push from the speakers into their ears.
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Post by newt5996 on Sept 10, 2018 0:42:02 GMT
For no particular reason, what would you think Ship and it’s ants sound like? Oh, difficult to say... Maybe something surgical? Metallic? They're meant to be silent, but I get this feeling of a mercury sound that leaves this acid tang in the back of the mouth. Like when you run a bit of metal cutlery across your teeth (usually by accident). For Ship? I'd say Ship and the Many from System Shock 2 have a lot in common audio-wise. Maybe a bit drier? It doesn't rustle, but rasp. Something that makes the listener feel like its trying to push from the speakers into their ears. Noted for again no particular reason whatsoever. Nope, no reason. Just a fan getting an opinion. And September 15th does not have any significance to the Virgin New Adventures.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 14:30:57 GMT
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Post by masterdoctor on Sept 18, 2018 19:23:37 GMT
Hot damn, Those are some of the best story synopsis that I have read from Big Finish. I am so glad I am getting this on CD!
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Sept 18, 2018 20:46:28 GMT
The Dread of Night is a great title.
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Post by constonks on Sept 19, 2018 2:33:35 GMT
Welp, those all do sound like mini-New Adventures to me!
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Post by Timelord007 on Sept 19, 2018 7:49:05 GMT
Can't wait to hear these, there sounds a haunting theme is stirring throughout these 4 adventures, maybe a presence like Fenric playing a part?
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Post by shallacatop on Sept 19, 2018 10:01:58 GMT
They sound fantastic. Definitely got a New Adventures vibe there; seems like Big Finish secured the right writing lineup based on the story descriptions alone!
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Post by mark687 on Sept 21, 2018 14:34:20 GMT
And now the Trailer
Regards
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Post by TimPendragon on Sept 21, 2018 18:54:57 GMT
These certainly look great to me, though my experience with the NAs is mostly limited to the Paul Cornell books, Lungbarrow, BF's adaptations and some wiki info. If this goes over well, and they do more, I wonder if that might eventually lead to some Eight and Fitz stories?
In any case, more Yasmin Bannerman is great by me. Always makes me wish that Jabe could have continued on as a companion. Wish I could see that alternate universe.
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Post by omega on Sept 24, 2018 8:25:17 GMT
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Sept 24, 2018 8:31:13 GMT
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