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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Oct 7, 2018 21:58:14 GMT
Really enjoyed it. The story was fine: an alien on a hunt to prove something to the people back home is a refreshing change to universe-threatening situations that we've had a lot of lately. The cast were great and gave the sense of people who were living lives that had been interrupted by otherworldly shenanigans. As for Ms Whittaker... She IS the Doctor.
(Dog woke me at 3 am. At 4 I picked up my iPad and checked iview and was pleasantly surprised to find the episode waiting for me, against what I believed wa going to be the case.)
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Post by eric009 on Oct 7, 2018 22:03:00 GMT
I saw a tom baker story with once friend came over from the USA with VHS tape dear god the ads made almost unwatchable so my heart goes out to all those who have to watch it like that
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 22:18:06 GMT
I still don’t want to watch it and add to the viewing figures. Wow. What a mean spirited attitude. I reckon with that horrible attitude do not watch it.
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Post by Ela on Oct 7, 2018 22:19:07 GMT
Seriously? You don't want to watch it cause you might add to the viewing figures? SMH.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 22:19:22 GMT
Ill say how my 48 year old dad felt. And that is he didn’t like it on a whole. He felt it was too inclusive for the sake of diversity, he thought the doctor didn’t have enough gravitas and that it felt more like the sarah jane adventures than Doctor who. The plot was probably as dense as the eleventh hours with it more being about the characters than say deep breath for instance. And the writing isn’t as quick witted as Moffat if thats what rocked your boat. He did like Bradley walsh and thought it was put together but he just didn’t connect with it and feels he aint the targeted age demographic even if he can apreciate a lot of people probably will. He’ll still keep watching to see where it goes and hes commited for so long he aint going to give up but yeah it wasnt his thing on a whole but he knew it wouldn’t be. Basically i think is it does everything your probably expecting it to be like and whilst its very good imo and what i wanted, i can easily see why some people just wont be able to get into it. I’d still give it a try tho as, worse case scenario, youve used an hour of your life watching something you think is crap. Thank you for that, very helpful......I still don’t want to watch it and add to the viewing figures.......but must admit I am curious, n my resolve not to watch has weakened....... i will see how I feel by end of the week...... I can understand not caring for it at any given point but refusing to watch so you don't add to viewing figures? It's Who, not Nazi propoganda. Don't we all want the show to do well?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 22:22:31 GMT
See I loved the diversity of the cast. I loved the diversity shown in the preview of guest performers at the end. I love that Doctor Who is reflecting the world for how it is. This is my whole problem now, it’s doing these things because it feels it has to........it’s a fun tv show that is a science fantasy not a political statement about inclusion and diversity..... its done it to show hey hey look at how inclusive we are.........not to say these are cracking story’s that will take you out of reality for an hour but glad it’s working for you........ Maybe watch before the slagging? There's black people and Asians in it - like there are all over the UK. How is that a political statement about inclusion? It's still a fun TV show that is a science fantasy. Having people that don't look like you in it doesn't make it otherwise.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Oct 7, 2018 22:29:46 GMT
See I loved the diversity of the cast. I loved the diversity shown in the preview of guest performers at the end. I love that Doctor Who is reflecting the world for how it is. This is my whole problem now, it’s doing these things because it feels it has to........it’s a fun tv show that is a science fantasy not a political statement about inclusion and diversity..... its done it to show hey hey look at how inclusive we are.........not to say these are cracking story’s that will take you out of reality for an hour but glad it’s working for you........ Fundamentally disagree with everything you just wrote. Art and entertainment has always reflected the times. We live in a world that gets more diverse every minute, Doctor Who is reflecting that. That isn’t a political statement, it is reality. Diversity is nothing to be afraid of and characters from different religions and backgrounds helps the show reinvent itself. It helps enrich the show. It helps to make the show stronger and more relevant.
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Post by Ela on Oct 7, 2018 22:34:52 GMT
Seriously? You don't want to watch it cause you might add to the viewing figures? SMH. Yet again I fear I am being ridiculed for a opinion by a mod...... i will say say no more.......as it appears all views are not valid Not ridiculing. Just surprised that not adding to the viewing figures would be a motivation not to watch. I apologize if you thought I was ridiculing, as that was not my intent at all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 22:38:30 GMT
Seriously? You don't want to watch it cause you might add to the viewing figures? SMH. Yet again I fear I am being ridiculed for a opinion by a mod...... i will say say no more.......as it appears all views are not valid Firstly. You are not being ridiculed. Someone is just responding to what you wrote & questioning your post. Secondly. It does not appear that all views are not valid. Unless you think someone responding to your view invalidates it. If your view was truly not valid a mod would have deleted it. Finally, if you don't want any response to your point of view then why post it here?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 22:45:22 GMT
Maybe watch before the slagging? There's black people and Asians in it - like there are all over the UK. How is that a political statement about inclusion? It's still a fun TV show that is a science fantasy. Having people that don't look like you in it doesn't make it otherwise. Now you are trying to twist things to make out I am racist....... i am not in any shape or for...... the point i make is that that they are making a point of it, when it should be just something that happens that’s my problem the flag waving....... The thing is. You could not be more wrong. They are not making a point of it. There are characters in the episode that are from different ethnic groups & different ages. But, as with The Doctor being female, the episode (which you have not watched) doesn't make ang point about it. They are just people reflective of contemporary UK.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 22:45:47 GMT
I loved the heavy version of the theme kicking in when The Doctor came through the roof. That was terrific. Reminded me of Wonder Woman's entrance into Batman V Superman only, y'know, better 'cos The Doctor was in this. Loved what we saw under the closing credits which give us an idea of the new opening ones - and Segun's theme is the most Derbyshire we've had in a long, long while.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Oct 7, 2018 22:46:28 GMT
The biggest thing I would give Chibnall credit with this is that the diversity of the cast is not executed in an obvious or hamfisted way. The characters, and the actors playing them, are simply presented as the characters. It isn’t like RTD hitting us over the head at all. Jodie Whittaker is The Doctor. Period. Just like every Doctor before her. A mention in passing that she is a female is no different than Matt Smith commenting about the size of his jaw or David Tennant wondering if he was a ginger. The traveling mates are simply introduced as people with lives, problems and relationships. If you are worried about some overt political mission to push diversity on the viewing public, and forgive me if I’m reading your comments differently than you intended, your worries are pretty unfounded based on what we have seen after one episode. And go ahead and watch. We all know viewing numbers for the first episode were going to be huge. The real numbers come in the weeks to follow.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Oct 7, 2018 22:50:51 GMT
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shutupbanks
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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Oct 7, 2018 22:50:58 GMT
Maybe watch before the slagging? There's black people and Asians in it - like there are all over the UK. How is that a political statement about inclusion? It's still a fun TV show that is a science fantasy. Having people that don't look like you in it doesn't make it otherwise. Now you are trying to twist things to make out I am racist....... i am not in any shape or for...... the point i make is that that they are making a point of it, when it should be just something that happens that’s my problem the flag waving....... "it should be just something that happens" is what did happen. The world being shown here is the real world. It's the world that my students live in, the world that many of us do live in. Give it a go, though: find a friend who wants to watch it again and sit in with them so your viewing doesn't count. I reckon you might enjoy it. It's good television at the very least.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 22:53:55 GMT
Maybe watch before the slagging? There's black people and Asians in it - like there are all over the UK. How is that a political statement about inclusion? It's still a fun TV show that is a science fantasy. Having people that don't look like you in it doesn't make it otherwise. Now you are trying to twist things to make out I am racist....... i am not in any shape or for...... the point i make is that that they are making a point of it, when it should be just something that happens that’s my problem the flag waving....... You're assuming because these actors are in it, it's because they're promoting some kind of PC ideal. You say "it should be just something that happens" - it IS just something that happens. Not once is the ethnicity of the cast raised. Not once is it a plot point. You'd know that if you, I dunno, watched it. This is why commenting on something you haven't seen leaves you rather open to looking silly. Honestly, if a certain other poster said this stuff, and the nonsense about not wanting to watch because it would add to the viewing figures, they'd be accused of trolling - at best.
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Post by barnabaslives on Oct 7, 2018 22:59:04 GMT
the point i make is that that they are making a point of it, when it should be just something that happens that’s my problem the flag waving....... I think I have a touch of that too, really wanting something to be inclusive for the right reasons - but it's hard for me to really know what motivates anyone, and even being inclusive for the wrong reasons might be a step forward? Even if the press has made a big deal about inclusiveness though, it didn't feel to me like the episode did - things just seemed to flow forward instead of sounding forced or smug, including Thirteen herself - she just sort of got right on with being The Doctor.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Oct 7, 2018 23:09:09 GMT
Not ridiculing. Just surprised that not adding to the viewing figures would be a motivation not to watch. I apologize if you thought I was ridiculing, as that was not my intent at all. Forget........ there is little point in saying anything on here these days. but yes why everyone is so surprised that I don’t watch things, I gave up top gear in protest of clarkson and other stuff..... there are actors I don’t watch, brands I won’t buy, etc......is it such a surprise....... but i will shut up, it’s just not worth it....... Please don't play the victim. No one is insulting you or ridiculing you. We are having a pretty civil discussion. And David raises a valid point. Watch the thing. If it offends you and your views, then you don't watch it again but at least we all have a common frame of reference to discus it. And honestly, I fail to see how one more person watching it makes any difference moving forward.
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Post by elkawho on Oct 7, 2018 23:22:37 GMT
As someone who had a lot of reservations regarding a female Doctor, I loved it! It was Doctor Who! I feared it was going to be about "See I'm a woman Doctor", but it wasn't. It was actually more Doctor Who that we've had in ages. The Doctor wasn't saving the universe, or even the world. She was doing the right thing and saving just one guy, and that was important enough. Terrific.
It still may get too political in the future for my taste, but for now it was wonderful.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 7, 2018 23:25:32 GMT
I've made it a point to not get involved in any sort of infighting on threads, so I'll just say this:
We're all adults here. You are responsible for your own words. If you don't mean something, then don't say it. The internet does not prevent you from simply waiting until you know what you want to say and saying it correctly.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 7, 2018 23:28:06 GMT
Now, back onto the thread's topic: Yep, it's good, a solid 4/5 affair. It hues closer to 'first' stories like Robot or Eleventh Hour, where a familiar plot template is used, so we can focus on the character side and establish the team and tone going forward. The new guys are likeable, both in writing and performance, and Jodie perfectly owns the role from her first line. She's excitable and eager without being hyperactive or overly-quippy, and delivers the quieter moments well.
Exposition is a weak point, but the pacing, direction and structure move with such efficiency it never bugged me. Akinola's music is a nice contrast to Gold's, nicely underscoring scenes.
Also, I really dug the design of Tim Shaw, especially the little steam vent. Like a steampunk Predator-Cyberman.
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