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Post by ollychops on Aug 16, 2021 17:24:50 GMT
What would be constructive criticism? All these animations do look sh*t. A bit more than just “this looks sh*t”. It’d be interesting to see how all these people feel if something they put a lot of time and effort into got this sort of reaction, maybe they’d think before posting their knee-jerk OTT reaction.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 8:11:15 GMT
What would be constructive criticism? All these animations do look sh*t. A bit more than just “this looks sh*t”. It’d be interesting to see how all these people feel if something they put a lot of time and effort into got this sort of reaction, maybe they’d think before posting their knee-jerk OTT reaction. You mean like "why does everyone in it wobble about worse than the puppets in Thunderbirds, and what's with the model yeti looking like it was added into the footage in post-production by putting a sticker of a t*rd on each frame containing it"? I could forgive the yeti t*rd to be honest, but the constantly gyrating characters are awful. Someone needs to release an acid house cut of this trailer, it would make more sense of the weird movements everyone's constantly making. And yes, this is a judgement based on only a couple of clips, but those clips are supposed to be trying to convince me to buy this, and they are having the opposite effect.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 11:30:12 GMT
Mine turned up this morning. Will hopefully have some time to check it out tonight. Glad that the booklet has the lovely standard cover so..best of both worlds.
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 17, 2021 12:54:38 GMT
Every clip I see from this release makes me less likely to buy it. I hope it’s a one off. The Awkward Moment that a Fan made animation looks more detailed and impressive than an Official BBC approved release
in all seriousness they should have not rushed the web of fear and waited till they made something really close to the Evil/Macra Terror animation style
if they had to release any Doctor Who Physical media they could have released The Curse of Fatal Death (it had a VHS release) or Daleks!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 16:08:57 GMT
Every clip I see from this release makes me less likely to buy it. I hope it’s a one off. The Awkward Moment that a Fan made animation looks more detailed and impressive than an Official BBC approved release
in all seriousness they should have not rushed the web of fear and waited till they made something really close to the Evil/Macra Terror animation style
if they had to release any Doctor Who Physical media they could have released The Curse of Fatal Death (it had a VHS release) or Daleks!
I actually quite like this one www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwH5XPqnXBc
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 16:49:47 GMT
No offence but I think the reception to 'The Web of Fear' animation is getting rather out of hand. I believe there are better ways of going about this. Really? I'm confused, why aren't people allowed to say what they think of a BBC product? I can't understand why some people might want to stifle debate about it. I don't like it, others do, we're surely all able to share our viewpoints.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 17:28:05 GMT
I’m sorry. I didn’t have any malicious intent. I was just stating an opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 17:28:52 GMT
I stuck the animation on (the black and white one) and...yeah, it's not great - but it's nowhere near as bad as it looked at first. Honestly I'd struggle to pick a worse scene to represent it than they did for the trailer.
Thing is...it's only one ep. You can watch the recon if you prefer. There are still the same level of no-doubt high quality extras on there, and the eps themselves have never looked better. I wouldn't be surprised if, because it was a one-ep affair, there was a really small budget and more time restraints than normal for an ep where you need to suspend your disbelief for most of the story. If a story had to have the "bad" animation...surely better this than Fury From The Deep or Evil Of The Daleks.
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 17, 2021 17:45:57 GMT
I stuck the animation on (the black and white one) and...yeah, it's not great - but it's nowhere near as bad as it looked at first. Honestly I'd struggle to pick a worse scene to represent it than they did for the trailer. Thing is...it's only one ep. You can watch the recon if you prefer. There are still the same level of no-doubt high quality extras on there, and the eps themselves have never looked better. I wouldn't be surprised if, because it was a one-ep affair, there was a really small budget and more time restraints than normal for an ep where you need to suspend your disbelief for most of the story. If a story had to have the "bad" animation...surely better this than Fury From The Deep or Evil Of The Daleks. Yeah, I think you’re spot on about the small budget and time restraints. This isn’t a full story that can be aired on BBC America, so won’t have their funding. It’s made solely for home media and is one episode, so will be budgeted accordingly. Potentially they could’ve used a different animation style for it, but I don’t think it’s awful. I like how lively the characters are - and a common complaint of previous animations has been how static they generally are - but they’re a bit too lively. I genuinely think if they’d got actors in for the motion capture then it would be improved. Again, it’s a budget thing. The glimpse of The Daleks Master Plan on the animation special feature looked good. The likenesses are better captured and more detailed. Maintain that and improve the movement and I think it’s more than viable. Certainly for a full story; I didn’t mind Web but I can’t say I’d have enjoyed watching 6 parts in the present state of the animation.
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Post by stcoop on Aug 17, 2021 18:13:09 GMT
It looks like an animatic that never got turned into finished animation and somehow made it through all quality control processes. Given that I already have the other five episodes I've essentially paid €24 for a 25 minute PS1-era cutscene.
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Post by ollychops on Aug 17, 2021 18:15:12 GMT
No offence but I think the reception to 'The Web of Fear' animation is getting rather out of hand. I believe there are better ways of going about this. Really? I'm confused, why aren't people allowed to say what they think of a BBC product? I can't understand why some people might want to stifle debate about it. I don't like it, others do, we're surely all able to share our viewpoints. No one is saying people aren’t allowed to say they don’t like it. There’s a difference between saying you don’t like it for x reason and just making rude comments about someone’s hard work.
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Post by ollychops on Aug 17, 2021 18:21:04 GMT
I stuck the animation on (the black and white one) and...yeah, it's not great - but it's nowhere near as bad as it looked at first. Honestly I'd struggle to pick a worse scene to represent it than they did for the trailer. Thing is...it's only one ep. You can watch the recon if you prefer. There are still the same level of no-doubt high quality extras on there, and the eps themselves have never looked better. I wouldn't be surprised if, because it was a one-ep affair, there was a really small budget and more time restraints than normal for an ep where you need to suspend your disbelief for most of the story. If a story had to have the "bad" animation...surely better this than Fury From The Deep or Evil Of The Daleks. Yeah, if it had been the whole serial animated like this I could understand the backlash, but… it’s one episode. The recon is a part of the set so if people don’t like the animation they can watch those. For people who already have the previous Web release, it might not be worth it, especially if they don’t like the animation style, but as someone who never got around to getting the original DVD I’m glad I’ve got this. Also we already know that Evil of the Daleks is going to be back to the usual 2D animation, so we know this isn’t the norm going forwards either. Whilst it may not have worked, I appreciate the team trying something different and to try and make the animations less static than the usual 2D ones.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 18:31:54 GMT
Oh, and for anyone wanting to contact any creatives involved - the back of the booklet lists Big Finish Creative as working on it, with Jason Haigh Ellery and Gary Russell producing. Never heard of them
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 18:35:27 GMT
I stuck the animation on (the black and white one) and...yeah, it's not great - but it's nowhere near as bad as it looked at first. Honestly I'd struggle to pick a worse scene to represent it than they did for the trailer. Thing is...it's only one ep. You can watch the recon if you prefer. There are still the same level of no-doubt high quality extras on there, and the eps themselves have never looked better. I wouldn't be surprised if, because it was a one-ep affair, there was a really small budget and more time restraints than normal for an ep where you need to suspend your disbelief for most of the story. If a story had to have the "bad" animation...surely better this than Fury From The Deep or Evil Of The Daleks. Yeah, if it had been the whole serial animated like this I could understand the backlash, but… it’s one episode. The recon is a part of the set so if people don’t like the animation they can watch those. For people who already have the previous Web release, it might not be worth it, especially if they don’t like the animation style, but as someone who never got around to getting the original DVD I’m glad I’ve got this. Also we already know that Evil of the Daleks is going to be back to the usual 2D animation, so we know this isn’t the norm going forwards either. Whilst it may not have worked, I appreciate the team trying something different and to try and make the animations less static than the usual 2D ones. I think - and I mean in general, I know not everyone has much money to spare these days - that it's still worth a buy. I did have the DVD. I missed the extras and now that itch is well and truly scratched. More importantly it supports the future of the range. It's why I buy the steels, apart from loving the look, I like chucking in a bit extra since the BBC can't crowdfund. I'd hate to be told these were ending due to lack of sales. It's exactly what happened with the DVDs, after all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 7:10:55 GMT
I’m sorry. I didn’t have any malicious intent. I was just stating an opinion. Fair do's, I was probably being over-sensitive - a flaw of mine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 7:12:34 GMT
Really? I'm confused, why aren't people allowed to say what they think of a BBC product? I can't understand why some people might want to stifle debate about it. I don't like it, others do, we're surely all able to share our viewpoints. No one is saying people aren’t allowed to say they don’t like it. There’s a difference between saying you don’t like it for x reason and just making rude comments about someone’s hard work. OK, but people do seem to be giving reasons for their dislike, not just being rude.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 7:18:24 GMT
I stuck the animation on (the black and white one) and...yeah, it's not great - but it's nowhere near as bad as it looked at first. Honestly I'd struggle to pick a worse scene to represent it than they did for the trailer. Thing is...it's only one ep. You can watch the recon if you prefer. There are still the same level of no-doubt high quality extras on there, and the eps themselves have never looked better. I wouldn't be surprised if, because it was a one-ep affair, there was a really small budget and more time restraints than normal for an ep where you need to suspend your disbelief for most of the story. If a story had to have the "bad" animation...surely better this than Fury From The Deep or Evil Of The Daleks. Yeah, if it had been the whole serial animated like this I could understand the backlash, but… it’s one episode. The recon is a part of the set so if people don’t like the animation they can watch those. For people who already have the previous Web release, it might not be worth it, especially if they don’t like the animation style, but as someone who never got around to getting the original DVD I’m glad I’ve got this. Also we already know that Evil of the Daleks is going to be back to the usual 2D animation, so we know this isn’t the norm going forwards either. Whilst it may not have worked, I appreciate the team trying something different and to try and make the animations less static than the usual 2D ones. I think the problem is exactly that most people who are interested in this release have already got the original release, so the proposition is effectively twenty quid for one animated episode. As an experiment, yes, it was worth a try, but the main reason I'm vociferous about this is my worry that if this bombs we won't be as likely to get more. It would perhaps have been better to try this technique out on something that was an actual bonus, like that Wheel in Space animated segment, rather than the main selling point of the release.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 18, 2021 7:43:50 GMT
If you're going to animate these things at least have a consistent style across all the releases, & make them look less like crap late 70s British kids telly.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 18, 2021 11:03:01 GMT
Just looking at the preview stills for Web and Evil in DWM the difference in facial definition is massive I don't know why they would've given Web to BF Creative in the 1st place and not just added it to CNs firm and kept some sense of Animation consistency.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 11:14:59 GMT
I really don’t mind it in some ways its better than the other ones *shrug*
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