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Post by mark687 on Dec 24, 2020 17:06:56 GMT
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Post by theillusiveman on Dec 25, 2020 1:09:34 GMT
Just listened to the preview it was pretty decent
Milo Parker is playing The Teenage William Hughes/Younger James Drefyus Master (Drefyus should have been in this audio though) and yeah good to see how he differs from the other Masters particularly Beevers as there is a good rapport and sympathy between the two characters.
Beevers is on top form
Roberts is much more theatrical and snarky which yeah is great, he is more comfortable in the role
Maqueen eh is fine still OTT but i guess its good to have him back
Culshaw's Ainley Master is serviceable at times, decent i guess but there is some
Jacobi is yeah always a pleasure and to watch him basically rip into the other masters is a treat, his look into my eyes scene is still pretty impressive
and now Simm's Master well its certainly the Series 3/4 Persona, slightly toned down but recognizable
Still looking forward to its release next week
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Post by grinch on Dec 26, 2020 1:03:19 GMT
Really liked the preview. Milo Parker is clearly the standout performer here as the Younger Dreyfus Master and I really like his rapport with Beevers Master. Have to agree that Roberts comes across much better here, less stilted and more flippant. Think he has most definitely grown into the role. (Makes me look forward to his upcoming boxset even more now.)
Culshaw as Ainley Master is rough but I’m still willing to give him a chance. And of course MacQueen and Jacobi are always good.
I am curious to see what they do with Simms Master though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 4:48:41 GMT
Very interesting, and very enjoyable.
I agree that Jon Culshaw's Anthony Ainley isn't quite as successful as his other work for Big Finish - what a pity AA didn't want to take part in any audio stories. Milo Parker is the version I'm least familiar with, and I was very impressed with him. Simm was more RTD-flavoured than my preferred Moffat-style version - all this talk of winning made him sound like Charlie Sheen (actually, there's a bit of casting that would be interesting). Jacobi sounds very jolly, McQueen his usual terrific self and Beevers dripping with malevolence; and yet it's Eric Roberts who really interests me. I've not heard his previous work for BF, and of course he's sidelined here - as are they all - but less is known about him than most of the others, and this really whets my appetite for his solo outing later this year.
Above all though, this is all very grandiose and Grand Guignol. I'm very excited that it will be here next month. I bet BF make us wait until the 31st!
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Post by grinch on Dec 26, 2020 12:17:11 GMT
I do wonder though, had John Simms declined to take part, which Master would have taken centre stage in this. I suspect perhaps The War Master myself.
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Post by theillusiveman on Dec 26, 2020 12:59:15 GMT
I do wonder though, had John Simms declined to take part, which Master would have taken centre stage in this. I suspect perhaps The War Master myself. Yeah agreed from when he encounters his other selves in that look me in the eye scene basically he owns them and shows that he is the dominating presence of all the masters
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 28, 2020 0:42:26 GMT
I do wonder though, had John Simms declined to take part, which Master would have taken centre stage in this. I suspect perhaps The War Master myself. Inviting yourself to a party in order to brag about your success is something I can see only the Simm Master doing. None of the others were so detached from reality or self-absorbed (remember, this is the Master who suicided rather than help the Doctor TWICE).
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Post by mbt66 on Dec 28, 2020 10:44:08 GMT
I do wonder though, had John Simms declined to take part, which Master would have taken centre stage in this. I suspect perhaps The War Master myself. Perhaps they would have done it “And then there was none..” style, with the mystery Master inviting all the other Masters to the party. With none of the Masters or listeners knowing if the mystery Master was one of the guests or watching from a far.
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Post by grinch on Dec 28, 2020 12:13:51 GMT
So, perhaps this is just my interpretation but are we meant to assume Kamelion is masquerading as the Ainley Master on behalf of the alternate universe Gatiss Master?
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Post by saxty on Dec 28, 2020 17:56:08 GMT
So, perhaps this is just my interpretation but are we meant to assume Kamelion is masquerading as the Ainley Master on behalf of the alternate universe Gatiss Master? I don't think so, i think the Kamelion / Gatiss scene takes place further into the boxset. I think Kamelion is an avatar of the real Ainley Master who's too cautious to show up in person. Means we can have the actual Ainley Master in the story without having to worry about the impersonation being perfect since it's an impersonation in the story as well.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 29, 2020 8:30:09 GMT
I do wonder though, had John Simms declined to take part, which Master would have taken centre stage in this. I suspect perhaps The War Master myself. Perhaps they would have done it “And then there was none..” style, with the mystery Master inviting all the other Masters to the party. With none of the Masters or listeners knowing if the mystery Master was one of the guests or watching from a far. And then reveal that Mandip Gill was the Master all along?
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Post by fitzoliverj on Dec 30, 2020 9:41:27 GMT
it's Eric Roberts who really interests me. There's *something* about his performance. I don't know what it is, (is it just that he's not got such a good microphone as everybody else?) but it draws the attention. I do wonder though, had John Simms declined to take part, which Master would have taken centre stage in this. I suspect perhaps The War Master myself. According to DWM, the original plans centred around the Beevers incarnation. Also, {Spoiler for something else in DWM}the Lumiat is in the finished story. So, perhaps this is just my interpretation but are we meant to assume Kamelion is masquerading as the Ainley Master on behalf of the alternate universe Gatiss Master? I don't think so, i think the Kamelion / Gatiss scene takes place further into the boxset. I think Kamelion is an avatar of the real Ainley Master who's too cautious to show up in person. The problem is that this would create some continuity problems. Firstly, Kamelion/Ainley says that this is the second time he's been timescooped recently, the last time being the Death Zone, i.e. The Five Doctors, except that in that story the Master did not travel by timescoop (because he was summoned by the council not Borusa, and travelled on via transmat). Secondly, he didn't have Kamelion with him at that point in his travels (unless "The King's Demons" and "The Five Doctors" take place in reverse order for him). Thirdly, how can you have time to put up an android duplicate of yourself if a giant rotating triangular void is flying at you out of nowhere? Whereas if Kamelion is working for a not-entirely-well-informed Unbound Master, there's not quite so many issues.
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Post by theillusiveman on Dec 30, 2020 13:23:51 GMT
I don't think so, i think the Kamelion / Gatiss scene takes place further into the boxset. I think Kamelion is an avatar of the real Ainley Master who's too cautious to show up in person. The problem is that this would create some continuity problems. Firstly, Kamelion/Ainley says that this is the second time he's been timescooped recently, the last time being the Death Zone, i.e. The Five Doctors, except that in that story the Master did not travel by timescoop (because he was summoned by the council not Borusa, and travelled on via transmat). Secondly, he didn't have Kamelion with him at that point in his travels (unless "The King's Demons" and "The Five Doctors" take place in reverse order for him). Thirdly, how can you have time to put up an android duplicate of yourself if a giant rotating triangular void is flying at you out of nowhere? Whereas if Kamelion is working for a not-entirely-well-informed Unbound Master, there's not quite so many issues. Yeah there is already a huge continuity problem with Ainley's Appearance as one of the comments he references what he said to The 5th Doctor in Planet of Fire "Would you show Mercy to your own" which yeah given if this story is set after The Five Doctors and before Kamelion's Death in Planet of Fire then yeah makes no sense unless it confirms My Theory about how The Ainley Master has several duplicates which get killed in his stories.
Also what bothers me is that in the 15 minute preview they basically do two things i really hate its either the reveal The Twist of Who shows up (the character in Missy Volume 2) but it also implies and i was wondering how Big Finish could get away with it (and yeah they basically did the same in Missy Volume 2 but reference The Doctor's Female Incarnation as Big Finish cannot use anything past Twice upon a time i know that she appears in the episode but the only thing she did was falling out of the TARDIS so everything after that shouldn't be referenced
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Post by grinch on Dec 30, 2020 13:40:53 GMT
The problem is that this would create some continuity problems. Firstly, Kamelion/Ainley says that this is the second time he's been timescooped recently, the last time being the Death Zone, i.e. The Five Doctors, except that in that story the Master did not travel by timescoop (because he was summoned by the council not Borusa, and travelled on via transmat). Secondly, he didn't have Kamelion with him at that point in his travels (unless "The King's Demons" and "The Five Doctors" take place in reverse order for him). Thirdly, how can you have time to put up an android duplicate of yourself if a giant rotating triangular void is flying at you out of nowhere? Whereas if Kamelion is working for a not-entirely-well-informed Unbound Master, there's not quite so many issues. Yeah there is already a huge continuity problem with Ainley's Appearance as one of the comments he references what he said to The 5th Doctor in Planet of Fire "Would you show Mercy to your own" which yeah given if this story is set after The Five Doctors and before Kamelion's Death in Planet of Fire then yeah makes no sense unless it confirms My Theory about how The Ainley Master has several duplicates which get killed in his stories.
Also what bothers me is that in the 15 minute preview they basically do two things i really hate its either the reveal The Twist of Who shows up (the character in Missy Volume 2) but it also implies and i was wondering how Big Finish could get away with it (and yeah they basically did the same in Missy Volume 2 but reference The Doctor's Female Incarnation as Big Finish cannot use anything past Twice upon a time i know that she appears in the episode but the only thing she did was falling out of the TARDIS so everything after that shouldn't be referenced
To be fair, when I first listened to the preview and they mentioned ‘her’ I thought it was referring to the Doctor’s TARDIS at first. I suppose that’s a loophole as any to avoid any direct reference to the Thirteenth Doctor’s era.
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Post by x2magneto on Jan 1, 2021 15:52:24 GMT
So...releases at midnight, right?
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Post by grinch on Jan 1, 2021 20:59:28 GMT
So...releases at midnight, right? I would presume so. Do I get the impression that someone is very excited for its release? 😉
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Post by x2magneto on Jan 1, 2021 21:20:24 GMT
So...releases at midnight, right? I would presume so. Do I get the impression that someone is very excited for its release? 😉 No!... Whose midnight? The UK's? Cause...I know an american guy who would be...pleased.
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Post by constonks on Jan 2, 2021 0:11:32 GMT
Just hit the preorder button now so I can start listening ASAP
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Post by x2magneto on Jan 2, 2021 6:24:18 GMT
I feel like the only man camped out in front of the music shop for a record that the vendor has already reserved for me because I prepaid, but I'm still sitting outside a tent in a tarpaulin folding chair, drinking coffee out of a thermos, first in line, and reeking of canned meat.
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Post by constonks on Jan 2, 2021 6:33:49 GMT
I feel like the only man camped out in front of the music shop for a record that the vendor has already reserved for me because I prepaid, but I'm still sitting outside a tent in a tarpaulin folding chair, drinking coffee out of a thermos, first in line, and reeking of canned meat. Save some canned meat for the rest of us. You're not alone in this line!
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