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Post by number13 on Jan 27, 2020 10:04:44 GMT
OK another theory ('cause we don't have enough already )
RuthDoctor has a 'Police Box' TARDIS with the interior a modern take on the 1963 console room, doesn't recognise the sonic and wears a modern version of the Hartnell Doctor's 'half-moon' spectacles. And has a decided air of authority.
Therefore, Ruth is not just an alternative Doctor but the First alt-Doctor - the other Original, you might say.
Well, it's a theory and I quite like it.
EDIT: And thinking about how she flattened and pulled the horn off the Judoon commander, the early First Doctor could be a bit of a tough couldn't he? Absolutely whammed a bullying overseer with a shovel during 'The Reign of Terror' and flung a would-be assassin all over the room and out of the window at an inn in 'The Romans'. Not to mention the caveman who was very nearly on the wrong end of a rock...
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jan 27, 2020 10:32:07 GMT
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Post by elkawho on Jan 27, 2020 10:52:02 GMT
So Doctor Ruth before she breaks the glass tells our Doctor that she moved to Gloucester in Dec of '99. That's the TV Movie timeline! 7's regeneration! It may mean nothing because they are false memories, but there also may be a morsel of truth? Either way, I can't seem to get it out of my head.
I also can't stop thinking....remember....everything we think we know is a lie!
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Post by elkawho on Jan 27, 2020 10:53:36 GMT
Well isn't it obvious? When Gallifrey got sent somewhere at the end of the Time War, in its little bubble universe, was that universe empty? Or just small, like E-Space? No, no idea where I'm going with this other than to say that Doctor Ruth (ha!) isn't our Doctor and never was or will be. This is the Stepford Gallifrey. Auld Mortality? Like feck it is. This is Galllifrey Season 5. Or I may be entirely wrong. Your hair was too black, Jack.Yep, said it aloud at least 3 time during that scene. Good theories!....or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 11:06:15 GMT
Well isn't it obvious? When Gallifrey got sent somewhere at the end of the Time War, in its little bubble universe, was that universe empty? Or just small, like E-Space? No, no idea where I'm going with this other than to say that Doctor Ruth (ha!) isn't our Doctor and never was or will be. This is the Stepford Gallifrey. Auld Mortality? Like feck it is. This is Galllifrey Season 5. Or I may be entirely wrong. Your hair was too black, Jack.Yep, said it aloud at least 3 time during that scene. Good theories!....or not. I mean, that's part of the fun. A good theory can always turn into a good fact later. It's just a question of when. Particularly good ideas are hard to let lie. I paused a bit at Ruth!Doctor's pursuer being identified as a Gallifreyan, but not explicitly a Time Lord. They're sort of the silent majority on Gallifrey beneath the aristocratic elite. I wonder if we're going to get a story from their side of the conflict? We never did find out who exactly was pursuing Jack when he was trying to deliver his message.
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Post by project37 on Jan 27, 2020 11:16:04 GMT
My head is still spinning. That was a joy. I'm really enjoying watching this series knowing very little going into each episode (it made all the difference in the viewing experience). I saw none of the surprises coming and loved every single one. My kids and I had the best time - Sunday nights are usually kind of blah with having to get to bed early, be ready for school and work, etc., but having these episodes to kick off the week has been a lot of fun. I never had any issue with Jodie's performance as the Doctor, but WOW she knocked it out of the park with this story! I have yet to see a series where every single episode was a perfect hit - this one is no different, but so far this series is the most fun I've had with Doctor Who in ages.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 27, 2020 11:44:20 GMT
If it turns out that Time Lords get multiple regeneration cycles but have their memories wiped between them for some reason, then we can finally stop pretending the Brain of Morbius Doctors weren't real. Oh, and has anyone checked in on Ian since last night? This might have been the episode that finally caused his head to explode with rage. Well he walked away when Jodie was Cast I can only think he's fortifying his Cave (I was going to say Lighthouse but maybe not now ) Regards mark687
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Post by number13 on Jan 27, 2020 11:50:31 GMT
Yep, said it aloud at least 3 time during that scene. Good theories!....or not. I mean, that's part of the fun. A good theory can always turn into a good fact later. It's just a question of when. Particularly good ideas are hard to let lie. I paused a bit at Ruth!Doctor's pursuer being identified as a Gallifreyan, but not explicitly a Time Lord. They're sort of the silent majority on Gallifrey beneath the aristocratic elite. I wonder if we're going to get a story from their side of the conflict? We never did find out who exactly was pursuing Jack when he was trying to deliver his message. But when the Doctor did her 'contact' moment with the Judoon's employer, didn't she say 'let me show you, Time Lord to Time Lord' or something like that? I think so.
Incidentally, second New Series 'contact' moment, three weeks after the first!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 11:55:43 GMT
I mean, that's part of the fun. A good theory can always turn into a good fact later. It's just a question of when. Particularly good ideas are hard to let lie. I paused a bit at Ruth!Doctor's pursuer being identified as a Gallifreyan, but not explicitly a Time Lord. They're sort of the silent majority on Gallifrey beneath the aristocratic elite. I wonder if we're going to get a story from their side of the conflict? We never did find out who exactly was pursuing Jack when he was trying to deliver his message. But when the Doctor did her 'contact' moment with the Judoon's employer, didn't she say 'let me show you, Time Lord to Time Lord' or something like that? I think so.
Incidentally, second New Series 'contact' moment, three weeks after the first! Oh, good catch! In that case, we've still got a notable moment in a Time Lord that's wounded beyond immediate recovery. Not even War Chief'd, but completely disintegrated (with nary a deathworm morphant in sight). Is that the first time ever that the (televised) Doctor has permanently killed one of her own?
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 27, 2020 12:27:07 GMT
Well that certainly was....something. Holy crap that was a lot to pack in and think about. An amazing episode, now this is the kind of push that the series has kind of been waiting for. Theory time: Maybe the Timelords reLoomed a version of The Doctor at some point, there by creating The Ruth Doctor who has the memories of some iterations up until a certain point where it breaks off. Maybe she's 10 after Richard E. Grants Doctor. And the reason the TimeLords or the CIA reLoomed The Doc is because they wanted a version they could control. But that went wrong and she went on the run and Gat was a CIA operative. Also did someone mention LOOMS? also as a ps, those werent Gloucester Canals btw. Everything else was though
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Post by number13 on Jan 27, 2020 12:27:51 GMT
But when the Doctor did her 'contact' moment with the Judoon's employer, didn't she say 'let me show you, Time Lord to Time Lord' or something like that? I think so.
Incidentally, second New Series 'contact' moment, three weeks after the first! Oh, good catch! In that case, we've still got a notable moment in a Time Lord that's wounded beyond immediate recovery. Not even War Chief'd, but completely disintegrated (with nary a deathworm morphant in sight). Is that the first time ever that the (televised) Doctor has permanently killed one of her own? Yes, I think so. RuthDoctor did warn her though, more than once, not to fire the weapon. There have been a few other times when the Doctor has rigged a system to backfire on the villains and carefully warned them not to try using it. Always give them a chance to do the right thing and find a peaceful solution, but if they won't listen...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 12:33:35 GMT
Oh, good catch! In that case, we've still got a notable moment in a Time Lord that's wounded beyond immediate recovery. Not even War Chief'd, but completely disintegrated (with nary a deathworm morphant in sight). Is that the first time ever that the (televised) Doctor has permanently killed one of her own? Yes, I think so. RuthDoctor did warn her though, more than once, not to fire the weapon. There have been a few other times when the Doctor has rigged a system to backfire on the villains and carefully warned them not to try using it. Always give them a chance to do the right thing and find a peaceful solution, but if they won't listen... She did indeed. That's more warning than say... The Graff Vynda-K in The Ribos Operation or Solon in The Brain of Morbius. It's like that discussion waaay back on the "Nikola Tesla's Night of Terror" thread about the Doctor's use of violence. *waves arms* This is it. The whole thing that was being discussed there. The no-right-answer scenario. Have I mentioned how amazing this episode was?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 12:39:34 GMT
If it turns out that Time Lords get multiple regeneration cycles but have their memories wiped between them for some reason, then we can finally stop pretending the Brain of Morbius Doctors weren't real. Oh, and has anyone checked in on Ian since last night? This might have been the episode that finally caused his head to explode with rage. Well he walked away when Jodie was Cast I can only think he's fortifying his Cave (I was going to say Lighthouse but maybe not now ) Regards mark687 I bet it's kicking off on Gallifrey Guardian lol.
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Post by number13 on Jan 27, 2020 12:42:32 GMT
Well that certainly was....something. Holy crap that was a lot to pack in and think about. An amazing episode, now this is the kind of push that the series has kind of been waiting for. Theory time: Maybe the Timelords reLoomed a version of The Doctor at some point, there by creating The Ruth Doctor who has the memories of some iterations up until a certain point where it breaks off. Maybe she's 10 after Richard E. Grants Doctor. And the reason the TimeLords or the CIA reLoomed The Doc is because they wanted a version they could control. But that went wrong and she went on the run and Gat was a CIA operative. Also did someone mention LOOMS? also as a ps, those werent Gloucester Canals btw. Everything else was though And the lighthouse is just down the Severn estuary at West Usk, for the pharologists among us.
Pharologist = a lighthouse enthusiast. Not for the first time I learned a new word thanks indirectly to 'Doctor Who'.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jan 27, 2020 12:49:34 GMT
Well that certainly was....something. Holy crap that was a lot to pack in and think about. An amazing episode, now this is the kind of push that the series has kind of been waiting for. Theory time: Maybe the Timelords reLoomed a version of The Doctor at some point, there by creating The Ruth Doctor who has the memories of some iterations up until a certain point where it breaks off. Maybe she's 10 after Richard E. Grants Doctor. And the reason the TimeLords or the CIA reLoomed The Doc is because they wanted a version they could control. But that went wrong and she went on the run and Gat was a CIA operative. Also did someone mention LOOMS? also as a ps, those werent Gloucester Canals btw. Everything else was though No, no one mentioned looms. There were no looms mentioned. Loomless and loom free we remain. Bereft of loomity we endure.
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Post by jacobz40 on Jan 27, 2020 12:53:23 GMT
I actually managed to get through this episode unspoiled and I'm just so happy
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 12:54:48 GMT
Well that certainly was....something. Holy crap that was a lot to pack in and think about. An amazing episode, now this is the kind of push that the series has kind of been waiting for. Theory time: Maybe the Timelords reLoomed a version of The Doctor at some point, there by creating The Ruth Doctor who has the memories of some iterations up until a certain point where it breaks off. Maybe she's 10 after Richard E. Grants Doctor. And the reason the TimeLords or the CIA reLoomed The Doc is because they wanted a version they could control. But that went wrong and she went on the run and Gat was a CIA operative. Also did someone mention LOOMS? also as a ps, those werent Gloucester Canals btw. Everything else was though No, no one mentioned looms. There were no looms mentioned. Loomless and loom free we remain. Bereft of loomity we endure. On the subject of looms (ah, yes, I hear them coming for me now), we're all agreed on the idea of the Great Houses, though, right? I really enjoy the idea of a house that can literally make you trip up the stairs because you keep leaving your umbrella on the balustrade. I wonder if they gossip with one another like TARDISes are wont to do?
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Post by elkawho on Jan 27, 2020 12:56:46 GMT
Well that certainly was....something. Holy crap that was a lot to pack in and think about. An amazing episode, now this is the kind of push that the series has kind of been waiting for. Theory time: Maybe the Timelords reLoomed a version of The Doctor at some point, there by creating The Ruth Doctor who has the memories of some iterations up until a certain point where it breaks off. Maybe she's 10 after Richard E. Grants Doctor. And the reason the TimeLords or the CIA reLoomed The Doc is because they wanted a version they could control. But that went wrong and she went on the run and Gat was a CIA operative. Also did someone mention LOOMS? also as a ps, those werent Gloucester Canals btw. Everything else was though No, no one mentioned looms. There were no looms mentioned. Loomless and loom free we remain. Bereft of loomity we endure. Yeah, I thought you might comment on that.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jan 27, 2020 12:56:54 GMT
No, no one mentioned looms. There were no looms mentioned. Loomless and loom free we remain. Bereft of loomity we endure. On the subject of looms (ah, yes, I hear them coming for me now), we're all agreed on the idea of the Great Houses, though, right? I really enjoy the idea of a house that can literally make you trip up the stairs because you keep leaving your umbrella on the balustrade. I wonder if they gossip with one another like TARDISes are wont to do? Oh I loved the Great Houses, now they were a wonderful thing indeed. Can't be done on a BBC budget really, not really, sadly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 13:02:26 GMT
On the subject of looms (ah, yes, I hear them coming for me now), we're all agreed on the idea of the Great Houses, though, right? I really enjoy the idea of a house that can literally make you trip up the stairs because you keep leaving your umbrella on the balustrade. I wonder if they gossip with one another like TARDISes are wont to do? Oh I loved the Great Houses, now they were a wonderful thing indeed. Can't be done on a BBC budget really, not really, sadly. Yeah, sadly not. But, ohh, can you imagine if they were able to do something like The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance? Those gorgeous sets and striking imagery. *sighs contentedly* It's a wonderful dream.
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