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Post by elkawho on Feb 9, 2020 5:20:21 GMT
Hmm...no. You managed to convince me to love 'Love and Monsters' which I thought was impossible so I'll keep trying to convince everyone to enjoy the comedy brilliance that is 'Orphan 55'! Really, looked at line by line, scene by scene, I don't 'buy' that it could be like that without doing it deliberately. A story might contain one or two cliches, tropes and stock characters well overacted but there are limits...
As well as all the obvious 'flaws' in the episode you pointed out in your post on the 'Orphan 55' thread, a few more of the incidents and character moments that convinced me were:
The Long-Lost Daughter (soap trope #1 alert!) destroying her Heartless Absentee Mom's business for revenge. And she has come via the resort's own teleport without anyone noticing she has enough destructive kit to make Ace jealous. The Greedy Executive who can afford the funding to set up the holiday dome but still takes the Nice Eldery Lady's jewellery to show how mean and greedy she is.
The Super-Smart Kid who knows more than his Ordinary Joe dad and for no reason runs off from the one secure location so he can hide in a Very Dangerous Place instead and need rescuing. (Homage to Ripley rescuing Newt in 'Aliens'.)
The Nice Elderly Man saying to his Nice Elderly Lady Partner of 46 years: 'Two questions: Will you marry me? And will you kill me?' (Oh my! ) This would be clearly be physically impossible under the circumstances, since he was outside the vehicle and captive of the Dregs, and I can't believe that dialogue was intended to be serious. Which is why, I think, we didn't see him. That would have looked horrifying, but his words alone were simply ridiculous. Not to mention that the Nice Elderly Lady later going doolally and throwing herself at the Dregs was beyond parody, unless it was. ' Benniiiiiiii....' Etc. Etc. Etc.
And for the encore, "Global warming will turn ordinary people like us (Dregs!) into ravening monsters surviving on a barren Earth from where the rich exploiters have fled" reveal - and the Doctor's very very subtle message to the Fam at the end. I rest my case. Can it be that you just made my case for me? (And yours, depending upon you point of view!)
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Post by mark687 on Feb 9, 2020 20:47:43 GMT
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Post by fitzoliverj on Feb 18, 2020 17:07:18 GMT
WARNING: BAD JOKE AHEAD!
It's pretty clear that Dr Ruth can't be the first Doctor. Just get a picture of her and put it next to one of William Hartnell. You'll see -
One of these things is not like The Other.
(I'm not on Twitter, which is why I have to inflict these things on people here, instead)
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Post by scriptortempore on Feb 18, 2020 18:38:58 GMT
WARNING: BAD JOKE AHEAD! It's pretty clear that Dr Ruth can't be the first Doctor. Just get a picture of her and put it next to one of William Hartnell. You'll see - One of these things is not like The Other. (I'm not on Twitter, which is why I have to inflict these things on people here, instead) The joke can't be bad if it references the scientific fact that looms are canon
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 20:22:01 GMT
WARNING: BAD JOKE AHEAD! It's pretty clear that Dr Ruth can't be the first Doctor. Just get a picture of her and put it next to one of William Hartnell. You'll see - One of these things is not like The Other. (I'm not on Twitter, which is why I have to inflict these things on people here, instead) And of course Doctor 13 will need to be pretty Ruthless to see off the Cybermen on her own.... boom tish!
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Feb 25, 2020 10:59:55 GMT
28 days figure is 6.1 million.
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Post by mrperson on Mar 4, 2020 20:55:15 GMT
So now the Judoon can simply 'beam' into a TARDIS?
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Post by number13 on Mar 5, 2020 1:17:09 GMT
So now the Judoon can simply 'beam' into a TARDIS? CC says yes so it must be true!
Time was that very few powers in the Universe could penetrate the TARDIS - the Time Lords of course, the Guardians, the Keeper of Traken, Sutkeh - the big fish in the cosmic ocean. Now any old space rhino with a badge and a grumpy attitude can barge in whenever it likes.
Or she was so freaked at being made the 'creator god' of the Time Lords, the Doctor simply forgot to lock the door...
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Post by shutupbanks on Mar 5, 2020 9:54:33 GMT
So now the Judoon can simply 'beam' into a TARDIS? CC says yes so it must be true!
Time was that very few powers in the Universe could penetrate the TARDIS - the Time Lords of course, the Guardians, the Keeper of Traken, Sutkeh - the big fish in the cosmic ocean. Now any old space rhino with a badge and a grumpy attitude can barge in whenever it likes.
Or she was so freaked at being made the 'creator god' of the Time Lords, the Doctor simply forgot to lock the door... I guess it depends who they’re acting as the agents for. It may be that the TARDIS allowed them to enter because she didn’t detect any real hostility towards the Doctor. Also, we don’t know for certain how the Time War and the return/ destruction of Gallifrey affected the balance of power in the universe - the Cybermen may not have been the first to try and ransack the place for its tech.
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Post by Whovitt on Mar 5, 2020 10:16:29 GMT
CC says yes so it must be true!
Time was that very few powers in the Universe could penetrate the TARDIS - the Time Lords of course, the Guardians, the Keeper of Traken, Sutkeh - the big fish in the cosmic ocean. Now any old space rhino with a badge and a grumpy attitude can barge in whenever it likes.
Or she was so freaked at being made the 'creator god' of the Time Lords, the Doctor simply forgot to lock the door... I guess it depends who they’re acting as the agents for. It may be that the TARDIS allowed them to enter because she didn’t detect any real hostility towards the Doctor. Also, we don’t know for certain how the Time War and the return/ destruction of Gallifrey affected the balance of power in the universe - the Cybermen may not have been the first to try and ransack the place for its tech. My other thought was that the Judoon are essentially the universal police. Bearing that in mind, wouldn't it seem plausible they have to tech to chase down and arrest anyone in the universe. We also know that it isn't impossible to teleport in/out of a TARDIS - the Doctor says in Bad Wolf that the beam was 15 million times more powerful than the TARDIS itself (provided my understanding of the line delivery is correct). If Daleks surviving on the scavenged remains of a human empire can generate that sort of power, I wouldn't think it would be beyond the capabilities of a fully armed Shadow Proclamation.
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Post by number13 on Mar 5, 2020 12:23:02 GMT
I guess it depends who they’re acting as the agents for. It may be that the TARDIS allowed them to enter because she didn’t detect any real hostility towards the Doctor. Also, we don’t know for certain how the Time War and the return/ destruction of Gallifrey affected the balance of power in the universe - the Cybermen may not have been the first to try and ransack the place for its tech. My other thought was that the Judoon are essentially the universal police. Bearing that in mind, wouldn't it seem plausible they have to tech to chase down and arrest anyone in the universe. We also know that it isn't impossible to teleport in/out of a TARDIS - the Doctor says in Bad Wolf that the beam was 15 million times more powerful than the TARDIS itself (provided my understanding of the line delivery is correct). If Daleks surviving on the scavenged remains of a human empire can generate that sort of power, I wouldn't think it would be beyond the capabilities of a fully armed Shadow Proclamation. The diminution of the TARDIS' near-total impregnability and indestructibility (except when writers wanted it to be otherwise ) are one more thing about the new series I've never liked. I know that classic Who did some odd things (Frontios for starters) but they were unexplained aberrations, not rules. In much the same way that the Time Lords were once more or less unique in their mastery of temporal physics and now time travel is a commonplace. On one hand they diminish the Doctor and her people, on the other they try to make her a sort of 'god'.
And that was a cop-out too leaving us with the obvious question 'where did 'god Doctor-child' come from'. I'm really not bothered by the answer, because it can all be changed the season after it's revealed can't it ?!
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Post by mbt66 on Apr 18, 2020 9:05:59 GMT
I know I am very late to the party with this series of Doctor Who.
I have been voting each week once I had watched, but not commenting as my mother always said “if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all”
But this episode - for this episode I feel that I must write something.
The return of the Jadoon, Captain Jack, the Chameleon Arch, an intriguing mystery and a proper Tardis interior! Did RTD replace JNT as guest producer for this episode!?
That was easily the best Doctor Who episode of the Thirteenth Doctor’s era.
5/5
I just hope that we get a resolution and that the pay-off lives up to this.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 21, 2020 22:40:58 GMT
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