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Post by grinch on Dec 15, 2020 14:37:02 GMT
My old man was diagnosed with COVID this morning so I’m having to isolate for a while. He’s taking it in rather good spirits though and I even made him laugh when I greeted him first thing with a scarf wrapped around my nose and mouth.
Just to be on the safe side you understand.
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Post by tuigirl on Dec 15, 2020 14:43:10 GMT
My old man was diagnosed with COVID this morning so I’m having to isolate for a while. He’s taking it in rather good spirits though and I even made him laugh when I greeted him first thing with a scarf wrapped around my nose and mouth. Just to be on the safe side you understand. I wish him (and you) all the best!
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Dec 15, 2020 23:51:24 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 16, 2020 17:43:15 GMT
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Post by masterdoctor on Dec 16, 2020 18:30:31 GMT
So I've been sitting on this, or at least mostly, but I have tested positive for Covid. And if anybody is still thinking it is a sham, you are unequivocally wrong. I have a load of symptoms and am on track to be alone and extremely sick over the holidays. It goes beyond the fact that it sucks, it's a matter of being emotionally and physically battered by a infectious disease that a very vocal minority play off as fake. It is horrendous.
Wear a mask, social distance and listen to all public health guidelines.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 19:11:26 GMT
So I've been sitting on this, or at least mostly, but I have tested positive for Covid. And if anybody is still thinking it is a sham, you are unequivocally wrong. I have a load of symptoms and am on track to be alone and extremely sick over the holidays. It goes beyond the fact that it sucks, it's a matter of being emotionally and physically battered by a infectious disease that a very vocal minority play off as fake. It is horrendous. Wear a mask, social distance and listen to all public health guidelines. My very best wishes to you.
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Post by tuigirl on Dec 16, 2020 19:13:42 GMT
So I've been sitting on this, or at least mostly, but I have tested positive for Covid. And if anybody is still thinking it is a sham, you are unequivocally wrong. I have a load of symptoms and am on track to be alone and extremely sick over the holidays. It goes beyond the fact that it sucks, it's a matter of being emotionally and physically battered by a infectious disease that a very vocal minority play off as fake. It is horrendous. Wear a mask, social distance and listen to all public health guidelines. Oh no! I wish you all the best!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 19:31:01 GMT
Some useful Data on the rate of Vaccinations: ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinationsAs it is live it will be interesting monitoring the progress of the various programmes as the get moving.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 17, 2020 9:43:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 15:07:53 GMT
Looks like I'm going to be in the new tier 4, no mixing, no travel, no anything really. I hope people are sensible and stick to the rules. It's mentally draining and I must admit I'm starting to feel the effects of this never ending nightmare. With cases rapidly rising, a new strain, hospitals over loaded, I just can't see it ending. The vaccine is of course a hope, but there are so many unknowns with it, they don't even know how long any immunity will last. I truly believe it's worse than they are letting on. I think it's simply a case of, at some point you'll get it and then you will either get through it, or you wont. 'Survivors' anyone!
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 19, 2020 17:24:30 GMT
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Post by anothermanicmondas on Dec 19, 2020 21:26:58 GMT
not that long ago my region was in tier 1 and below UK average ... then came the second lockdown during that time the infection continued to rise and we emerged into tier 2 and the number of infections shot up, so, today we moved into tier 3 ... for 1 day only as tomorrow it's tier 4 Modest Christmas plans abandoned - now planning to spend the day at home I've never liked Christmas food so I'll probably celebrate with fish and chips and chocolate cake (because I can) and give presents to family members when I can ...whenever that is
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Post by The Brigadier on Dec 19, 2020 23:12:38 GMT
Having been on a series of Zoom calls this evening with family and friends impacted by the introduction of Tier 4 in England and the imposed Christmas restrictions I've somewhat surprised myself by resisting the temptation to publicly lay the blame at someone's door for this dreadful situation (and after the conversations I've just had I really, really want to lay blame..). Now simply isn't the time. Not with a virulent new strain of the virus on the rise.
Instead I'll say what I perhaps should have said a while ago - the door is open. I don't expect any of you to take up the offer, but I'm saying it anyway and I'm leaving it here. This year has been tough for all of us in one way or another and it's going to get tougher. I'm worried that mental health issues will get even worse in the weeks to come, and having battled my own demons in the Summer I can't stand the thought of anyone suffering in silence..
..even a group of strangers linked by an Internet forum.
So..door is open. You're more than welcome to stick your head around it if you wish and yell for a chocolate hobnob and the kettle to go on. No matter how hard it gets just remember you're not alone in this.
Stay safe and be kind.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 20, 2020 0:44:42 GMT
Having been on a series of Zoom calls this evening with family and friends impacted by the introduction of Tier 4 in England and the imposed Christmas restrictions I've somewhat surprised myself by resisting the temptation to publicly lay the blame at someone's door for this dreadful situation (and after the conversations I've just had I really, really want to lay blame..). Now simply isn't the time. Not with a virulent new strain of the virus on the rise. Instead I'll say what I perhaps should have said a while ago - the door is open. I don't expect any of you to take up the offer, but I'm saying it anyway and I'm leaving it here. This year has been tough for all of us in one way or another and it's going to get tougher. I'm worried that mental health issues will get even worse in the weeks to come, and having battled my own demons in the Summer I can't stand the thought of anyone suffering in silence.. ..even a group of strangers linked by an Internet forum. So..door is open. You're more than welcome to stick your head around it if you wish and yell for a chocolate hobnob and the kettle to go on. No matter how hard it gets just remember you're not alone in this. Stay safe and be kind. Why is now not the time? Now is always the time.
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Post by The Brigadier on Dec 20, 2020 11:02:14 GMT
Having been on a series of Zoom calls this evening with family and friends impacted by the introduction of Tier 4 in England and the imposed Christmas restrictions I've somewhat surprised myself by resisting the temptation to publicly lay the blame at someone's door for this dreadful situation (and after the conversations I've just had I really, really want to lay blame..). Now simply isn't the time. Not with a virulent new strain of the virus on the rise. Instead I'll say what I perhaps should have said a while ago - the door is open. I don't expect any of you to take up the offer, but I'm saying it anyway and I'm leaving it here. This year has been tough for all of us in one way or another and it's going to get tougher. I'm worried that mental health issues will get even worse in the weeks to come, and having battled my own demons in the Summer I can't stand the thought of anyone suffering in silence.. ..even a group of strangers linked by an Internet forum. So..door is open. You're more than welcome to stick your head around it if you wish and yell for a chocolate hobnob and the kettle to go on. No matter how hard it gets just remember you're not alone in this. Stay safe and be kind. Why is now not the time? Now is always the time. Because right now I can't focus on raging on the Internet and laying blame. Right now I have to focus on giving as much moral support as I can to family and friends stuck in Tier 4. There is a group of us who are trying to figure out a way to get some sort of support network in place for a mutual friend who has been pushed to the brink of suicidal thoughts by the cancellation of Christmas and the heavier restrictions imposed on him so that is playing on my mind too. I have to find the energy to somehow help ease the anxieties that I know will have risen in some of the residents in the nursing home I work in despite my own anxieties creeping up. At the moment I live in a Tier 2 area, but case rates are rising and it's not that far from areas in Tier 3 and Tier 4. I'm worried for my mum who is in her late seventies and who will have to wait lord knows how long for a vaccine, my daughter and whether her education is about to be seriously messed with yet again, my niece who struggles with her mental health and I'm worried for my own physical and mental wellbeing. So forgive me if I don't feel now is the time to be getting into an argument with someone on the other end of a keyboard over politics, but don't assume that because I don't it means you are the only one on here who is furious about this whole mess. Far from it.
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Post by elkawho on Dec 20, 2020 20:20:09 GMT
I am so sorry for all of you folks in the Tier 4 restrictions in the UK. Thinking of you all. I feel like I have been in a depressed, self-deprecating funk for months and I literally felt something click in my brain this week and the real me is now starting to return. Thank you The Brigadier for being such a supportive force on this forum. The good news is that my nephew (a doctor in NYC) received his vaccine last week and my sister (a nurse here in NJ) is getting hers tomorrow. There's still a lot of darkness around us, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel. It's a damn long tunnel, I know. But it will end. My hope is to be able to travel to the UK by June. Fingers crossed!
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Post by number13 on Dec 20, 2020 23:43:40 GMT
Very best wishes to all who've been hit by the latest restrictions just before Christmas. Even if one person's 'tier' number is the same as another's, some people will be affected far more badly than others.
But when (and this was the new fact which upended everything) the new variant has now been estimated by the UK virus agency (I forget their acronym) to add a hideous 0.4 to the 'R' rate, what else can be done immediately than to cut social interaction even more?
Again, for some people this will change little in their lives or be relatively easy to bear if it does; for others it may be a personal disaster. The load is personal and not equal.
But the vaccines (plural now and three very soon I hope) are being given right now and from all I've read, for the older/vulnerable UK population that means vaccination is a few months away at most, and for some people only weeks away - or even happening right now. We can all see what that means, so no need for me to spell it out. Again, best wishes all.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 21, 2020 1:56:36 GMT
The upset from Tier 4, combined with the news of this new strain, will have some of you really anxious. After this year, who could blame you? However, I've always endeavoured to be a calming voice on this thread, doing what I can to cut through the veil of uncertainty and give some comfort.
I think it's important to bear a few things in mind: 1) Viruses develop new strains all the time. Covid isn't doing anything unique or special. 2) As tui has discussed before, and referring back to past news of weaker strains in places like Mongolia and Italy, a more contagious virus doesn't mean a more lethal one. Indeed, to survive, the virus needs to be able to adapt to maximise the use of its host - it trades destructiveness for infectiousness. Even with the new strain having circulated for a while the death rate hasn't kept up and there are no new reported symptoms unique to this version. 3) Vaccines are always rejigged to keep up with new strains - it's how the flu ones work. Now that we have a baseline, it'll be easier to counteract new strains, as well as much faster, than having to build new vaccines all over again. Couple that with constant evolutions in treatments, drugs and growing medical experience, and we are in a better place than we were to deal with Covid.
There's still a ways to go, to be sure, but I believe we are past the worst point, insofar as complete helplessness against the virus. We are nearer the end of this and, as I've always said throughout, know that are people on the ground making a difference and getting us on the road back. And most of all, know you're not alone in this - this place and everyone on it is here for you.
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Post by elkawho on Dec 21, 2020 4:34:38 GMT
The upset from Tier 4, combined with the news of this new strain, will have some of you really anxious. After this year, who could blame you? However, I've always endeavoured to be a calming voice on this thread, doing what I can to cut through the veil of uncertainty and give some comfort. I think it's important to bear a few things in mind: 1) Viruses develop new strains all the time. Covid isn't doing anything unique or special. 2) As tui has discussed before, and referring back to past news of weaker strains in places like Mongolia and Italy, a more contagious virus doesn't mean a more lethal one. Indeed, to survive, the virus needs to be able to adapt to maximise the use of its host - it trades destructiveness for infectiousness. Even with the new strain having circulated for a while the death rate hasn't kept up and there are no new reported symptoms unique to this version. 3) Vaccines are always rejigged to keep up with new strains - it's how the flu ones work. Now that we have a baseline, it'll be easier to counteract new strains, as well as much faster, than having to build new vaccines all over again. Couple that with constant evolutions in treatments, drugs and growing medical experience, and we are in a better place than we were to deal with Covid. There's still a ways to go, to be sure, but I believe we are past the worst point, insofar as complete helplessness against the virus. We are nearer the end of this and, as I've always said throughout, know that are people on the ground making a difference and getting us on the road back. And most of all, know you're not alone in this - this place and everyone on it is here for you. Thank you for this entire post.
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Post by The Brigadier on Dec 21, 2020 10:16:38 GMT
The upset from Tier 4, combined with the news of this new strain, will have some of you really anxious. After this year, who could blame you? However, I've always endeavoured to be a calming voice on this thread, doing what I can to cut through the veil of uncertainty and give some comfort. I think it's important to bear a few things in mind: 1) Viruses develop new strains all the time. Covid isn't doing anything unique or special. 2) As tui has discussed before, and referring back to past news of weaker strains in places like Mongolia and Italy, a more contagious virus doesn't mean a more lethal one. Indeed, to survive, the virus needs to be able to adapt to maximise the use of its host - it trades destructiveness for infectiousness. Even with the new strain having circulated for a while the death rate hasn't kept up and there are no new reported symptoms unique to this version. 3) Vaccines are always rejigged to keep up with new strains - it's how the flu ones work. Now that we have a baseline, it'll be easier to counteract new strains, as well as much faster, than having to build new vaccines all over again. Couple that with constant evolutions in treatments, drugs and growing medical experience, and we are in a better place than we were to deal with Covid. There's still a ways to go, to be sure, but I believe we are past the worst point, insofar as complete helplessness against the virus. We are nearer the end of this and, as I've always said throughout, know that are people on the ground making a difference and getting us on the road back. And most of all, know you're not alone in this - this place and everyone on it is here for you. For the UK in particular there is more uncertainty right now than there was this time last week and there is more to be worried about than there was this time last week...but as always nucleus thank you for being the reasonable voice with what you post on this thread. It is appreciated, perhaps far more than you realise.
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