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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Mar 16, 2020 0:00:37 GMT
FINALLY- 1 of the 2 biggest supermarket chains is implementing an "elderly/disabled/pensioner" time allotment. Approximately they will get 1 hour to do their shopping.. GOOD..
The most at-risk need assistance.
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Post by muckypup on Mar 16, 2020 0:15:22 GMT
Today not doing so good.......
Spent most of day comforting my mam......she’s been in tears all day on and off.......she is convinced she is just waiting to die........
She read about the months of isolation that they think over 70’s will need........that set of the panic and fear in her.........
It difficult to see someone who is usually as determined and pragmatic as her reduced to this by no government statements or the doom mongering press
It’s hard to cope with. But cope we must.........
sorry my posts are always a bit negative, but this is only place I can say how I feel.......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 1:14:34 GMT
Today not doing so good....... Spent most of day comforting my mam......she’s been in tears all day on and off.......she is convinced she is just waiting to die........ She read about the months of isolation that they think over 70’s will need........that set of the panic and fear in her......... It difficult to see someone who is usually as determined and pragmatic as her reduced to this by no government statements or the doom mongering press It’s hard to cope with. But cope we must......... sorry my posts are always a bit negative, but this is only place I can say how I feel....... Don't ever apologise for expressing how you are feeling right now Pup. This thing with the Corona virus is happening on a scale that none of us have ever had to deal with before, and you are perfectly entitled to feel apprehensive about it. We all are. I am sorry to read your mum has been so deeply affected by all the mixed messages from our 'elected representatives' (I'm resisting the temptation to write what I really want to call them. Let's just say the language would be colourful and leave it at that.) and the media. My own mum insisted on showing me where her will is after hearing about this four month isolation thing this morning, so I totally sympathise with how you are feeling. Do me a favour though - give your mum a massive hug, tell her to carry on being as determined, pragmatic and as bloody amazing as she sounds and then tell her that the only good use for newspapers is to line the bottom of bird cages or as an alternative to loo roll when you run out....joking aside, if reading them is going to upset her that much, then for her own peace of mind it's time to stop. |
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Mar 16, 2020 1:46:17 GMT
Here we go.. My friend, she just msgd me- her work place is "evacuating" as of 2:30pm today (currently 12:15pm) for 2 weeks. I asked her to check that this doesn't affect her personal annual leave she has accrued (we automatically get 4 weeks per year)..
EDIT: Another message.. Not leave, just working from home.. The I.T. Department gave them some gadget to hook up to their home internet so they don't use their personal net- will be logged remote from home to work. that's better.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 16, 2020 5:27:46 GMT
Other than a dose of black dog induced insomnia, everything is okay with me.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Mar 16, 2020 8:21:08 GMT
Anyone else have elderly relatives that don't seem to be taking this seriously? Very frustrating.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Mar 16, 2020 8:27:42 GMT
Anyone else have elderly relatives that don't seem to be taking this seriously? Very frustrating. My best mate's partner is from UK, she has lived here about 20 years hasn't seen her siblings in that timeframe- 1 of the brothers is flying down end of this month he is adamant he will "self isolate" at their house... 2 adults and 2 children.. Nope- not going to happen.. |
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 16, 2020 10:11:56 GMT
So far I am only suffering from seriously chapped hands from all the washing.
Weekend before last at my son's "family birthday party" I saw my 3 grandparents, all in in their 90s. I realise it could have been the last time I ever see them, but I'm pushing it to the back of my mind
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 10:21:53 GMT
As **** is starting to get real for all of us of right now, I'm just going to leave this here. It's a link to a PDF file offering advice from the World Health Organisation on looking after your mental health during this pandemic. Mental Health Considerations |
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 16, 2020 11:16:15 GMT
There are some shops here opening an hour early for elderly people only - I am glad to see it
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Post by Digi on Mar 16, 2020 12:20:09 GMT
Anyone else have elderly relatives that don't seem to be taking this seriously? Very frustrating. Seems to be a fairly common problem. www.vogue.com/article/coronavirus-baby-boomers-at-riskMy dad is only 62 and he’s being so jokey/cavalier/careless over the whole thing that I just want to knock him over the head and hog-tie him at their house. My mum is being sensible, but that doesn’t do her any good if he catches it and brings it home to her. Infuriating. |
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Post by barnabaslives on Mar 16, 2020 13:43:17 GMT
In the interest of hopefully helping keep panic and despair to a minimum, can anyone clarify the following? I might not get the answers I hope for, but uncertainties do seem to have a way of compounding uncertainty.
1) Probably just me being typically thick, but I'm not quite understanding the part about "asymptomatic carriers" and the period of time for which carriers might be contagious. Should those considered at risk isolate themselves from only symptomatic persons, or from anyone who might be coming and going and could be an "asymptomatic carrier"?
2) tuigirl told us this thing is afraid of saunas because it can be destroyed by heat. Does anyone know if there is a risk of it persisting on refrigerable or frozen food items from groceries? Should they be treated with soap and water (according to tuigirl this is effective because the virus has a fatty envelope and fancy disinfectants aren't necessary, IIRC) before put into the fridge or freezer?
3) Does anyone have the true story on whether wearing masks helps prevent contracting it? Last thing I read is that they help prevent spreading it but not prevent contracting it, which might sort of lend itself to a sense of futility about them if taken a certain way, but doesn't make that much sense to me. I would think they'd have to reduce the risk at both ends if one end, wouldn't they?
4) Does anyone have a proper perspective as to just who is at risk statistically, percentage-wise? Do we know how many of those categorically at risk are actually statistically vulnerable? Are there those categorically at risk who are known to have had only mild or asymptomatic cases?
I'm sure there are more questions I'm not even thinking of, but just trying to understand how best to be safe and how much precaution is reasonable.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Mar 16, 2020 14:06:37 GMT
I started working at a pub 2 weeks ago and now I'm just waiting to see if the place ends up closed for awhile.
based on what the government has said i'd still get paid i think. Its just typical lol
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Post by muckypup on Mar 16, 2020 14:35:22 GMT
In the interest of hopefully helping keep panic and despair to a minimum, can anyone clarify the following? I might not get the answers I hope for, but uncertainties do seem to have a way of compounding uncertainty. 1) Probably just me being typically thick, but I'm not quite understanding the part about "asymptomatic carriers" and the period of time for which carriers might be contagious. Should those considered at risk isolate themselves from only symptomatic persons, or from anyone who might be coming and going and could be an "asymptomatic carrier"? 2) tuigirl told us this thing is afraid of saunas because it can be destroyed by heat. Does anyone know if there is a risk of it persisting on refrigerable or frozen food items from groceries? Should they be treated with soap and water (according to tuigirl this is effective because the virus has a fatty envelope and fancy disinfectants aren't necessary, IIRC) before put into the fridge or freezer? 3) Does anyone have the true story on whether wearing masks helps prevent contracting it? Last thing I read is that they help prevent spreading it but not prevent contracting it, which might sort of lend itself to a sense of futility about them if taken a certain way, but doesn't make that much sense to me. I would think they'd have to reduce the risk at both ends if one end, wouldn't they? 4) Does anyone have a proper perspective as to just who is at risk statistically, percentage-wise? Do we know how many of those categorically at risk are actually statistically vulnerable? Are there those categorically at risk who are known to have had only mild or asymptomatic cases? I'm sure there are more questions I'm not even thinking of, but just trying to understand how best to be safe and how much precaution is reasonable. From what I understand it’s the asymptomatic carriers that will spread the virus the most, they many have a fever for a short time and not notice it, much like you would if you excerise or rush about.......they will remain infectious for around 7 days but never realise it. thats why isolation and distance becomes import, surfaces they touch become infectious and expelled air (approx 1m) can be infectious too........ the temperature thing debate, while it’s true the virus does not survive above 26 degrees there is doubt that it’s an instant kill or helps control the spread. well stats I’ve read experts predict about 75% of population will catch it........winter flu is about 40% Of that 75% approx 80% will be fine (40% almost nothing, 30% mild flu 10% flu with other symptoms) of the unlucky 20% it will develop into pneumonia like symptoms.......and will require hospital treatment, 10% will end up on ventilator and about 1% will die so that’s about 0.7 of the population those stats do to sound so bad, but that means if world was to be infected that’s 50 million dead with in a year thing on tv today said isolation isolation isolation is the best defence we currently have.......slow the spread for the first time in living memory, we need to forsake our freedoms that’s my understanding right or wrong......and I hope I’m wrong...... |
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Post by elkawho on Mar 16, 2020 17:40:26 GMT
In the interest of hopefully helping keep panic and despair to a minimum, can anyone clarify the following? I might not get the answers I hope for, but uncertainties do seem to have a way of compounding uncertainty. 1) Probably just me being typically thick, but I'm not quite understanding the part about "asymptomatic carriers" and the period of time for which carriers might be contagious. Should those considered at risk isolate themselves from only symptomatic persons, or from anyone who might be coming and going and could be an "asymptomatic carrier"? 2) tuigirl told us this thing is afraid of saunas because it can be destroyed by heat. Does anyone know if there is a risk of it persisting on refrigerable or frozen food items from groceries? Should they be treated with soap and water (according to tuigirl this is effective because the virus has a fatty envelope and fancy disinfectants aren't necessary, IIRC) before put into the fridge or freezer? 3) Does anyone have the true story on whether wearing masks helps prevent contracting it? Last thing I read is that they help prevent spreading it but not prevent contracting it, which might sort of lend itself to a sense of futility about them if taken a certain way, but doesn't make that much sense to me. I would think they'd have to reduce the risk at both ends if one end, wouldn't they? 4) Does anyone have a proper perspective as to just who is at risk statistically, percentage-wise? Do we know how many of those categorically at risk are actually statistically vulnerable? Are there those categorically at risk who are known to have had only mild or asymptomatic cases? I'm sure there are more questions I'm not even thinking of, but just trying to understand how best to be safe and how much precaution is reasonable. 1) Anyone can be at "at risk carrier" without symptoms. Hard to isolate because no one knows who they are. 2) Saunas don't do any good. I don't know about cold. 3) Regular surgical masks do nothing to prevent someone from catching it, but can keep people from spreading it. The mask was created to keep anything leaving the mouth or nose from being able to infect anything else. However this virus is airborn, and the mask is open on the sides. The air that you breath in is not filtered, and the little bit that is at the very front of your mouth and nose isn't adequate to filter out the small COVID-19 particles. |
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Post by elkawho on Mar 16, 2020 17:46:59 GMT
NJ has closed all restaurants and bars for eating in, pick up and delivery only. Movie theaters, gyms and casinos closed, and a mandatory ban on all gatherings over 50 people. And there are rumors that the Governor will force a mandatory closing of all non-essential business in the next 2 days.
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Post by muckypup on Mar 16, 2020 18:18:24 GMT
In the interest of hopefully helping keep panic and despair to a minimum, can anyone clarify the following? I might not get the answers I hope for, but uncertainties do seem to have a way of compounding uncertainty. 1) Probably just me being typically thick, but I'm not quite understanding the part about "asymptomatic carriers" and the period of time for which carriers might be contagious. Should those considered at risk isolate themselves from only symptomatic persons, or from anyone who might be coming and going and could be an "asymptomatic carrier"? 2) tuigirl told us this thing is afraid of saunas because it can be destroyed by heat. Does anyone know if there is a risk of it persisting on refrigerable or frozen food items from groceries? Should they be treated with soap and water (according to tuigirl this is effective because the virus has a fatty envelope and fancy disinfectants aren't necessary, IIRC) before put into the fridge or freezer? 3) Does anyone have the true story on whether wearing masks helps prevent contracting it? Last thing I read is that they help prevent spreading it but not prevent contracting it, which might sort of lend itself to a sense of futility about them if taken a certain way, but doesn't make that much sense to me. I would think they'd have to reduce the risk at both ends if one end, wouldn't they? 4) Does anyone have a proper perspective as to just who is at risk statistically, percentage-wise? Do we know how many of those categorically at risk are actually statistically vulnerable? Are there those categorically at risk who are known to have had only mild or asymptomatic cases? I'm sure there are more questions I'm not even thinking of, but just trying to understand how best to be safe and how much precaution is reasonable. 1) Anyone can be at "at risk carrier" without symptoms. Hard to isolate because no one knows who they are. 2) Saunas don't do any good. I don't know about cold. 3) Regular surgical masks do nothing to prevent someone from catching it, but can keep people from spreading it. The mask was created to keep anything leaving the mouth or nose from being able to infect anything else. However this virus is airborn, and the mask is open on the sides. The air that you breath in is not filtered, and the little bit that is at the very front of your mouth and nose isn't adequate to filter out the small COVID-19 particles. Can I just correct you, this virus is not airborn (not yet anyway) you catch projectile partials from coughs, sneezes or breath are in the air, but the virus is mutating and there is a small amount of evidence to show it may, thinking still is transmitted by breathing in infected micro droplets or contact being transferred to mouth, nose or eyes rest is as I believe it to be.......stay safe everyone |
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Post by elkawho on Mar 16, 2020 18:40:12 GMT
1) Anyone can be at "at risk carrier" without symptoms. Hard to isolate because no one knows who they are. 2) Saunas don't do any good. I don't know about cold. 3) Regular surgical masks do nothing to prevent someone from catching it, but can keep people from spreading it. The mask was created to keep anything leaving the mouth or nose from being able to infect anything else. However this virus is airborn, and the mask is open on the sides. The air that you breath in is not filtered, and the little bit that is at the very front of your mouth and nose isn't adequate to filter out the small COVID-19 particles. Can I just correct you, this virus is not airborn (not yet anyway) you catch projectile partials from coughs, sneezes or breath are in the air, but the virus is mutating and there is a small amount of evidence to show it may, thinking still is transmitted by breathing in infected micro droplets or contact being transferred to mouth, nose or eyes rest is as I believe it to be.......stay safe everyone That's what I believed as well, then I heard a respected epidemiologist speak and he confirmed that it is airborne. Here's the clip: I'm not a regular listener/watcher of Joe Rogan, but I thought this was very informative. |
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Post by muckypup on Mar 16, 2020 18:49:27 GMT
Can I just correct you, this virus is not airborn (not yet anyway) you catch projectile partials from coughs, sneezes or breath are in the air, but the virus is mutating and there is a small amount of evidence to show it may, thinking still is transmitted by breathing in infected micro droplets or contact being transferred to mouth, nose or eyes rest is as I believe it to be.......stay safe everyone That's what I believed as well, then I heard a respected epidemiologist speak and he confirmed that it is airborne. Here's the clip: I saw reports on this a few days ago, but scientists were keen to dismiss it......still as of today it’s not classed as airborn...... But who knows what’s going on, if it is air born.......and sorry for language but the world is fucked lets hope this is just a doom monger and not fact........we can but hope |
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Post by tuigirl on Mar 16, 2020 18:49:58 GMT
Anyone else have elderly relatives that don't seem to be taking this seriously? Very frustrating. My dad. BIG sigh. He still reckons it is a big hoax.
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