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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 8:21:49 GMT
so what are your hopes if there’s a 2nd Set?
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 2, 2021 8:25:38 GMT
so what are your hopes if there’s a 2nd Set? Unbound Master where he stole the Doctor’s regeneration energy/some of the energy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 9:01:45 GMT
so what are your hopes if there’s a 2nd Set? Unbound Master where he stole the Doctor’s regeneration energy/some of the energy. I think I’d prefer him more of this incarnation I definitely don’t want him crossing other Masters and diluting his presence down give him the chance to grow in this body,he has a very Moriarty presence...definitely no River or other Doctors at the moment I know it’s too good an opportunity to miss but I hope they refrain.This release could easily have been done without Daleks too but no complaints (well only one I did for the first time hear Briggs playing the Daleks). I think the continuation of the Lila and Vienna characters with him as we saw with his torture of the Daleks this Master isn’t one to let things rest.
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Post by grinch on Apr 2, 2021 9:12:04 GMT
so what are your hopes if there’s a 2nd Set? I rather like Magneto’s idea on another thread of the Eric Roberts Master becomes the President.
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Post by grinch on Apr 2, 2021 9:22:13 GMT
I rather like Magneto’s idea on another thread of the Eric Roberts becomes the President. haha that is a great idea. How far could the writers go before things become unbelievable (post-Trump)? It’d be very easy to just go for the obvious (and rather lazy) angle of just having him be another Trump stand in but I think the idea has potential. Magneto detailed some of the story ideas he would use in such a boxset in another thread if you’re interested notthebigfinishforum.freeforums.net/thread/6355/who-settings-storylines-surprised-haven?page=59
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 9:29:17 GMT
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 2, 2021 9:49:05 GMT
Unbound Master where he stole the Doctor’s regeneration energy/some of the energy. I think I’d prefer him more of this incarnation I definitely don’t want him crossing other Masters and diluting his presence down give him the chance to grow in this body,he has a very Moriarty presence...definitely no River or other Doctors at the moment I know it’s too good an opportunity to miss but I hope they refrain.This release could easily have been done without Daleks too but no complaints (well only one I did for the first time hear Briggs playing the Daleks). I think the continuation of the Lila and Vienna characters with him as we saw with his torture of the Daleks this Master isn’t one to let things rest. Well if there was an unbound of The Master getting the doctors regeneration wouldnt that be Eric Roberts Master in Paul McGann's Body?
but yeah wholeheartly agree That The Roberts Master should not be in any Multi-Master stories for a while as he was often underserved in both Day of The Master and Masterful in favour of The War Master and Missy. i think there should have been a fourth story in the boxset
Honestly given the ending i don't know if Lila would meet him agian, Vienna is a strong possibility of a rematch
Personally i would love to see him in Victorian England maybe an adventure with The Paternoster Gang or Jago and Litefoot
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Post by Who Review on Apr 2, 2021 10:02:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 10:51:22 GMT
I think I’d prefer him more of this incarnation I definitely don’t want him crossing other Masters and diluting his presence down give him the chance to grow in this body,he has a very Moriarty presence...definitely no River or other Doctors at the moment I know it’s too good an opportunity to miss but I hope they refrain.This release could easily have been done without Daleks too but no complaints (well only one I did for the first time hear Briggs playing the Daleks). I think the continuation of the Lila and Vienna characters with him as we saw with his torture of the Daleks this Master isn’t one to let things rest. Well if there was an unbound of The Master getting the doctors regeneration wouldnt that be Eric Roberts Master in Paul McGann's Body?
but yeah wholeheartly agree That The Roberts Master should not be in any Multi-Master stories for a while as he was often underserved in both Day of The Master and Masterful in favour of The War Master and Missy. i think there should have been a fourth story in the boxset
Honestly given the ending i don't know if Lila would meet him agian, Vienna is a strong possibility of a rematch
Personally i would love to see him in Victorian England maybe an adventure with The Paternoster Gang or Jago and Litefoot
Lol not in my universe is he meeting Paternoster and BF being BF will,since my opinion never matters or tastes am sure that’s exactly what the will do 😂
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 10:54:02 GMT
And agree strongest release of the year so far
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 14:15:18 GMT
so what are your hopes if there’s a 2nd Set? If I could quote from Kestrel's excellent post upthread ...
'So, anyway, while I have a lot of praise for the first story, the other two... not so much. I think they ultimately suffer from casting the Master in too passive of a role: all he's doing here is reacting to the plot, and demonstrating very little personal agency. The whole point, I'd've thought, of putting the Master in stories without the Doctor, would be to step away from the cliched storylines. But all of this ends with the Master being quickly and soundly defeated, just as would happen in any story with the Doctor, only this time we have Vienna and (for some reason) Lila stepping into the Doctor's shoes.
At this point I think I'd be pretty open to seeing more of Eric Roberts' Master, but after Vienna here, I don't know that I'd be interested in any more cross-promotional stories.'
I would actually agree with much of this, despite really enjoying this first set. The set is called Master! - not Master and Vienna, and not Master and the Daleks (although it's always likely they'll pop up in anything Who-related at the moment). Eric Roberts is great, and shines in every scene he's in - so he should be the main threat, or at least the main character. I like what BF have done, build him up in all three episodes, and then have him take centre stage toward the end, but if there is a second set, let's have more from him! Make him the one who hands out the threats, who deals out the misery. The extras do seem to indicate they want more Roberts stories, and the man himself seems perfectly happy to reprise the role - so let's give him something to really get stuck into. I'm a big fan of keeping him dark, mysterious and hugging the shadows, but if we have more, let's bring him out into the open a bit more.
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Post by x2magneto on Apr 2, 2021 15:05:28 GMT
Well, I must tell you it is weird to have a set of stories that not only exceeds your high (I thought too high) expectations, but also falls so in line with what you see in your head for the character. The idea of the Master as someone who finds he cannot simply usurp your will and requires you to make the choice, to willingly give yourself over. That's what the devil is. He cannot make you choose, he doesn't have that power. You justify it. You. He prays upon your want, your need. Greed and avarice. Beware ignorance and want. Want, want, want!
A fight with the devil is a fight with yourself. Beware the devil within.
Anyway, I guess I like this okay and if they wanted to announce another box set, that would be alright.
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Special shout out to Robert Valentine and Faustian. That guy knows how to create worlds. The entire set is dependent on Faustian working as well as it ends up working.
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Post by Kestrel on Apr 2, 2021 21:38:44 GMT
so what are your hopes if there’s a 2nd Set? You know, it might be really cool to see Master! expanded into a full range that focuses on a different incarnation each set. Like imagine the sets alternating between Roberts, Beevers, McQueen, and Parker--all Masters that absolutely deserve more attention, but possibly wouldn't be popular enough to sustain a range all by themselves.
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Post by IndieMacUser on Apr 3, 2021 9:08:13 GMT
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Post by ollychops on Apr 4, 2021 21:50:24 GMT
Wow, I really enjoyed this. Roberts is really settling into the role on audio now and I could listen to him for hours. I really liked Lila's character, but I do kind of wish that she'd given in and decided to side with the Master at the end. Speaking of the end, I'm with everyone that is disappointed that he ends up back in the vortex again but ah well, at least it doesn't rule out future appearances from him. Also, I didn't even mind Daleks being in this, given that it was linked to The Dalek Invasion of Earth and they followed up on the fact that the Daleks put the Master on trial so it felt more appropriate instead of shoehorning them in because... Daleks. And they were also wonderfully catty at times which is how I like my Daleks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 6:36:31 GMT
Well I have had yet another listen to this when the Cd arrived and have /to say it is my favourite release of the Year if not my fave in a long long time... give us a second release BF so it can hopefully improve
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Post by mark687 on Apr 7, 2021 10:52:21 GMT
Did I just hear right in the extras {Spoiler} That The Master Eric Roberts is in Stranded 4 , ye quick rewind and yes I heard right...well something has to rescue Stranded because personally I cannot enjoy the series at all
and it didn’t slip out...Big Finish are too good at this game Could it have been a slip referring to Ravenous 4? Confirmed Regards mark687
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 7, 2021 12:04:22 GMT
Could it have been a slip referring to Ravenous 4? Confirmed Regards mark687 A Mighty Shame that we arent getting another Roberts Master vs Paul's Doctor but then agian it means i get to save $40
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Post by grinch on Apr 7, 2021 12:06:30 GMT
A Mighty Shame that we arent getting another Roberts Master vs Paul's Doctor but then agian it means i get to save $40 If it’s any consolation, I’d imagine Big Finish would be keen to have him face off against a previous incarnation of the Doctor at some point.
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 7, 2021 12:43:43 GMT
so what are your hopes if there’s a 2nd Set? You know, it might be really cool to see Master! expanded into a full range that focuses on a different incarnation each set. Like imagine the sets alternating between Roberts, Beevers, McQueen, and Parker--all Masters that absolutely deserve more attention, but possibly wouldn't be popular enough to sustain a range all by themselves. Apart from Roberts being a well known name in Hollywood which works to Big Finish's advantage in terms of advertisement. The Other Masters having a boxset are another issue
Parker- Highly Unlikely unless Big Finish decides to do what The BBC wanted to do in 2006 and have a Spin off of a Younger First Doctor before he left Gallifrey and have Parker's Master there (Fun Fact Russel T Davies hated the idea and decided to go with The Sarah Jane Adventures). besides having Parker escape from Gallifrey and looking for The First doctor makes no logical sense as The First Doctor is quite noticeably older then him and having a teenage master after the old first doctor is mystifying
Drefyus- Twitter would go into Meltdown if that ever got announced but yeah unlikely to ever happen despite The First Master Adventures having a nice ring to it. But yeah it stems with the problem that TV Audiences wouldn't recognize him and thus you haven't got that particular audience which works against it.
Recasted Delgardo- As much as Roger Delgardo's Master is beloved and popular, a Full Recast Spin off is unlikely to be successful, first you would need a really great impressionist which sadly Jon Culshaw's Delgardo isnt that good and not viable for a full boxset.
Beevers- Potentially however as his Master only had 1 TV Appearance i doubt many TV Audiences would be familiar with him but i would personally love to see a boxset of him
Recasted Ainley- Same with Delgardo its not really viable, While Jon Culshaw did a decent job with him in TLV and Masterful! he would need someone that could do a 100 percent impression otherwise not
The New Adventures Master- Unless its a High Name attached unlikely to ever happen. i mean The Novel Adaptations didnt sell as well so yeah
The Preacher Master from DWM Comics- Same reason above as The New Adventures Master
Maqueen- Big Finish created Masters are a real gamble when it comes to spin offs so viable and popularity would be a bit hard unless he appeared in the range with The New Series doctors maybe
Simm- Yes Hands down Probarly next to Roberts as The Master that would likely have a spin off, He is extremely popular with New Who Fans, he has done Big Finish before in Masterful. however due to the comments in The Big Finish Podcast it would be hard to say if he would ever reprise the role agian. fingers crossed
Sasha- Im Sure Big Finish could try to salvage his Master as best as they could and given Sasha actual material.
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