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Post by Kestrel on May 15, 2021 17:30:23 GMT
Currently thinking of, "The Young Master," and, "The Problematic Master," respectively. Thought about, "The Transphobe Master" but then we wouldn't have parity with the Problematic (misogynist?) Doctor.I feel like that's being unnecessarily provocative/combative/trolly; all it'll accomplish is satisfied head-nods from some, and arguments from others. Much better to keep descriptors related to something in-universe, you've already got an out-of-universe descriptor if you're including the actor's name. I had that thought as well, but at the same time it's kinda the most distinctive thing about the Dreyfus Master, and the Doctor from DWU 6: Exile. Though in the case of the latter, maybe "The Exiled Doctor" would work? Hold on a bit... didn't the Dreyfus Master have an in-universe pseudonym in the 1DA story? Anyone remember what it was?
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Post by grinch on May 15, 2021 17:34:54 GMT
I feel like that's being unnecessarily provocative/combative/trolly; all it'll accomplish is satisfied head-nods from some, and arguments from others. Much better to keep descriptors related to something in-universe, you've already got an out-of-universe descriptor if you're including the actor's name. I had that thought as well, but at the same time it's kinda the most distinctive thing about the Dreyfus Master, and the Doctor from DWU 6: Exile. Though in the case of the latter, maybe "The Exiled Doctor" would work? Hold on a bit... didn't the Dreyfus Master have an in-universe pseudonym in the 1DA story? Anyone remember what it was? He was referred to as The Inventor. Personally I’d suggest just calling him the Dreyfus Master and then having that alternate version of the Doctor be called “The Doctor” (Exile)
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Post by Digi on May 15, 2021 17:35:43 GMT
I feel like that's being unnecessarily provocative/combative/trolly; all it'll accomplish is satisfied head-nods from some, and arguments from others. Much better to keep descriptors related to something in-universe, you've already got an out-of-universe descriptor if you're including the actor's name. Hold on a bit... didn't the Dreyfus Master have an in-universe pseudonym in the 1DA story? Anyone remember what it was? Oh shoot, you're right. I had totally forgotten - in the first two episodes of The Destination Wars (before finding out who he was), people called him "The Inventor."
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Post by Kestrel on May 15, 2021 17:39:37 GMT
Thanks! Should have everything sorted nicely shortly. The only question now is, for the pseudonyms, whether or not to use the name by itself or apply it to "Master." EG
The Simm Master / Harold Saxon
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The Simm Master / The Saxon Master
Any preference?
EDIT: also, need a quick refresher, where does the MacQueen Master fit in? I can't remember if he was immediately before Beevers, or immediately after?
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Post by grinch on May 15, 2021 18:01:44 GMT
Thanks! Should have everything sorted nicely shortly. The only question now is, for the pseudonyms, whether or not to use the name by itself or apply it to "Master." EG The Simm Master / Harold Saxon -or- The Simm Master / The Saxon Master Any preference? EDIT: also, need a quick refresher, where does the MacQueen Master fit in? I can't remember if he was immediately before Beevers, or immediately after? After Beevers Master.
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Post by Kestrel on May 15, 2021 18:20:35 GMT
Thanks. Think I've got everything sorted properly now. Debated where to place Beevers/Roberts for a bit... figured it makes more since to put Beevers before Roberts because, presumably, most of the audios with Beevers occur prior to the Roberts incarnation.
Kinda amazing what a tangled web the Master's continuity is, huh?
Anyway, it's a bit more off-topic, but I've lumped all of the parallel universe Doctors together under a, "The Parallel Doctors," category... and I've no idea what to call David Collings' Doctor. Any idea? Went with "The Mayfly Doctor" for his 11-second-successor; and Delayed/Deluded for the Bayldon and Jacobi Doctors, respectively.
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Post by Digi on May 15, 2021 18:23:11 GMT
EDIT: also, need a quick refresher, where does the MacQueen Master fit in? I can't remember if he was immediately before Beevers, or immediately after? I lean pretty hard on Tim Bradley 's website as a resource: bradleybasement.wordpress.com/sci-fi/doctor-who/doctor-who-timelines/the-monsters-timelines-index/the-masters-timeline/Short version: - Child (from The Sound of Drums) - Milo Parker (possibly same incarnation as the child) - Svengali (Delgado) - Crispy 1st time - the Master after his final regeneration - Tremas - Crispy steals the body of Nyssa's dad to cheat death - Crispy 2nd time - reverts back to his own body sometime after Survival- executed Master - Gordon Tipple's brief appearance in the film, unclear if this is a unique incarnation or just Crispy - Bruce - the Master steals the body of Eric Roberts to cheat death again - Crispy 3rd time - Baldy - Macqueen, evidently given a new regeneration cycle by Narvin during Dark Eyes - War Master - Harold Saxon - Missy - The Lumiat - Oh - [however many incarnations between now and whenever] - the entropy wave in Masterful
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Post by tuigirl on May 16, 2021 15:10:31 GMT
Just started on this. Hmm... the setup with the science lab reminds me a bit of certain elements we saw in Dark Eyes. And the placement in time, after the Dalek Invasion, is certainly interesting. And yes, I was a bit hesitant about this release because Roberts did not really captivate me in the previous outings. However, even if I am not that far in yet, we already get some wonderful villain overacting. Perfect for the character. This was what I had been waiting for in the other releases! I just hope he will also dress for the occasion later on, otherwise I will be disappointed.
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Post by tuigirl on May 17, 2021 14:05:20 GMT
Continuing with this set. First story is good at setting the scene. And I am loving the second story. I mainly got this because of Chase, and Vienna is even more the fun and bada$$ character than I expected out of this. She is great. Concerning the extras to part one- so Robert says that his Master was first to be quite camp, so he asked to tone him down. Okay.... I have to say this worked out wonderfully. I just wonder now how this Master would have turned out if he was even more camp?
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Post by antartiks on May 17, 2021 14:22:14 GMT
Continuing with this set. First story is good at setting the scene. And I am loving the second story. I mainly got this because of Chase, and Vienna is even more the fun and bada$$ character than I expected out of this. She is great. Concerning the extras to part one- so Robert says that his Master was first to be quite camp, so he asked to tone him down. Okay.... I have to say this worked out wonderfully. I just wonder now how this Master would have turned out if he was even more camp? I don't know how it would have turned out, but I definitely love that he's one of the darkest and more serious incarnations, it makes him quite creepy, and snake-like.
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Post by tuigirl on May 19, 2021 18:03:37 GMT
Finished the set! While Roberts was better in this than in his previous outings, the star for me definitely was Chase as Vienna. She is just an amazing character. Concerning the last story.... just reading the Iron Man comics, and the way the evil corporate guy ensures his survival is pretty close to what Tony Stark did to come back from the dead... seems to be the way to go for super rich powerful industrial types....
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Post by theillusiveman on Jun 11, 2021 9:28:34 GMT
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jun 11, 2021 9:51:55 GMT
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jun 11, 2021 22:23:53 GMT
Am late to the party on his one but I enjoyed it immensely & would agree with the positive comments made by others.
I won't repeat what others have said and will confine myself to things no one else seems to have said upthread.
Is this the 3rd Dalek invasion of earth? There is a reference to previous invasions (plural) so I assume we are mean to conclude the first was the Hartnell story, the 2nd was Lucie Miller / To the Death and this is the 3rd.
The other thought that occurred to me was to wonder if this is going to link to any future releases. BF have hinted that a future 7th Dr boxset will deal with the events leading up to the TV movie and I wondered if the Dalek Litigator will appear and this would link to it.
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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 28, 2021 22:45:26 GMT
Looking back and re-listening i have actually found some pretty glaring plotholes especially given The Roberts Master reconstruction Since Day of The Master ends with Missy and The War Master erasing The TV Movie Masters memory and throwing him into the time vortex unprotected (which should have vaporized/killed him despite that the tie in visual mini-sodes show Roberts unaffected in the vortex talking to Lila)
So if The Roberts Master was reconstructed surely it would have been The Beevers Master?
Wish that Big Finish had never made The Companion Chronicle Mastermind as it created so many problems and i feel it really limited what they could have done with The Master Post Survival/TV Movie and instead ended up creating such a convoluted mess
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Post by sherlock on Dec 3, 2021 23:07:27 GMT
So giving this set a go and liking what I’m hearing so far.
Faustian was a really interesting way to reintroduce Roberts’ Master solo, slowly building up to him being unleashed. Compared to other Masters who really turn on the charm, there’s a certain bluntness to Roberts’ performance, which really conveys a sense that his Master considers everyone he’s talking to as beneath him. This kinda matches the more brutal nature of his kills. Lila was well introduced and looking forward to hearing how she develops.
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Post by sherlock on Dec 4, 2021 13:55:37 GMT
Prey Didn’t quite feel like it lived up to its premise’s potential. The Master spent most of time running, rather then turning to really desperate means to fight back. Still a worthwhile listen, just felt a bit of a missed opportunity. Vienna is fun but would be nice to hear her interact more with other characters then her robot (which is most of her scenes).
Vengeance The Dalek squabbling was fun and Roberts clearly relished getting to play up the Master’s violent retribution. The ending felt odd. On one hand, I like that this is a one-and-done spinoff and Vienna helping Lila overcome the Master’s temptation is a nice arc, though underdeveloped as over the set they haven’t actually spent much time together. On the other, the Master seemed oddly toned down as he was banished. You’d expect more rage at his fate here.
Also why did the Litigator clone Drake? He didn’t seem to do anything to help the Dalek cause really.
Overall I enjoyed this set. Freed from crossover duty, Roberts’ Master gets his chance to shine and Roberts makes it count. I kinda wish this was longer, with more time for the Master’s takeover of the corporate world and Lila and Vienna to bond.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 6:48:24 GMT
You know ...it is due a relisten
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2021 9:55:05 GMT
I managed a relisten over the Christmas period and i still thank it is one of the highlights of this years BF releases.God solid and entertaining story and characters.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 27, 2021 11:00:54 GMT
I managed a relisten over the Christmas period and i still thank it is one of the highlights of this years BF releases.God solid and entertaining story and characters. We agree on this.
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