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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 17, 2020 8:04:26 GMT
Not sure if this has been noted already, but with the first box set there’ll be near double the number of CE episodes. One interesting thing about the announcement is that BF don’t usually announce before recording. That’s clearly not the case here. As Far as i recall there are only 3 Audios per boxset (and 1 CD of Bonus Features)
So basically 12 New Adventures with 9 bringing Chris's total of Doctor Who Stories to 25 (excluding the chronicles, comics and books)
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Post by Kestrel on Aug 17, 2020 9:46:55 GMT
That may not be the best way to draw comparisons... audio and TV episodes are not 1:1. I don't know how accurate they'll be to the final release, but right now Big Finish lists each boxset as totalling 240 minutes. So we can do some simple math: - Eccleston was in 13 episodes of approximately 45minutes each, meaning he played the Doctor on TV for approximately 585 minutes.
- If we assume the estimated 240 minutes per boxset includes bonus features, and those bonus features are 30-50 minutes long, we can assume Eccleston will play the Doctor on audio for approximately 760 to 840 minutes
- I think it's unlikely, but if that estimated 240 minute runtime does -not- include the bonus features, then that's a whopping 960 minutes of Christopher Eccleston as the 9th Doctor. But AFAIK the bonus features are always included in those runtimes.
So to briefly summarize: - On TV: 585 minutes of the 9th Doctor.
- On audio: 760 minutes of the 9th Doctor (at least).
- On autio: 840 minutes of the 9th Doctor (at most).
Which means, once all four boxsets have been released, Eccelston will have spent 130% to 144% as much time as the 9th Doctor on audio as he did on TV.
And those numbers will only increase, has he's likely to do far more than just those four 9DAs.
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Post by xlozdob on Aug 17, 2020 10:32:14 GMT
It wouldn’t have been announced if there wasn’t already a signed contract in place. And just my personal read of Eccleston, but he seems like the type to follow through on his commitments even if he’s (god forbid) not enjoying himself. I mean, he finished Thor: The Dark World LOLZ.. Who would have thought a Game of Thrones director would have had issues with this movie!.
That movie had issues that ran far deeper than the director. I think Alan did an ok job with what he got and the stage of the production in which he was brought in.
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Post by selimpensfiction on Aug 17, 2020 12:13:07 GMT
Not sure if this has been noted already, but with the first box set there’ll be near double the number of CE episodes. One interesting thing about the announcement is that BF don’t usually announce before recording. That’s clearly not the case here. As Far as i recall there are only 3 Audios per boxset (and 1 CD of Bonus Features)
So basically 12 New Adventures with 9 bringing Chris's total of Doctor Who Stories to 25 (excluding the chronicles, comics and books)
Whoops! Quite right, thanks.
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 17, 2020 12:29:58 GMT
One thing I would have been interested in hearing if John Hurt was still with us would be a set featuring the Eighth, War & Ninth Doctors. Not a replacement to one of the four sets with Chris, but a nice supplement to that and the respective Eighth Doctor & War Doctor ranges.
I think it sounds gimmicky on the face of it, but there's a lot of scope for some great character material there, whether it's one event spanning three incarnations and their different approaches to handling it. Or there's something nefarious going on and you see Eight & Nine take on the War Doctor mantle; that could also be an interesting "what could have been" too.
They're three incarnations that closely lead into one another and I feel like I'd love to see them together.
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Post by grinch on Aug 17, 2020 12:35:31 GMT
One thing I would have been interested in hearing if John Hurt was still with us would be a set featuring the Eighth, War & Ninth Doctors. Not a replacement to one of the four sets with Chris, but a nice supplement to that and the respective Eighth Doctor & War Doctor ranges. I think it sounds gimmicky on the face of it, but there's a lot of scope for some great character material there, whether it's one event spanning three incarnations and their different approaches to handling it. Or there's something nefarious going on and you see Eight & Nine take on the War Doctor mantle; that could also be an interesting "what could have been" too. They're three incarnations that closely lead into one another and I feel like I'd love to see them together. I’d agree. You could do an excellent and fascinating examination or commentary on the nature of war through a story featuring the three of them. The conscientious objector desperately trying to hold on to his mortals in the face of turmoil and madness, the hardened soldier doing what has to be done and the world weary survivor.
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Post by x2magneto on Aug 17, 2020 13:56:32 GMT
Just checking in to say that I have a strong feeling, based on nothing but intuition, that Ian McNeice will be a guest in the 9DAs. Too obvious and easy an opportunity to ignore, considering how character based 9's stories were. A war time story suits him too well. In fact I'd argue that 9 is probably the face that Churchill knows the best.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 17, 2020 14:05:14 GMT
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Aug 17, 2020 20:05:28 GMT
One thing I would have been interested in hearing if John Hurt was still with us would be a set featuring the Eighth, War & Ninth Doctors. Not a replacement to one of the four sets with Chris, but a nice supplement to that and the respective Eighth Doctor & War Doctor ranges. I think it sounds gimmicky on the face of it, but there's a lot of scope for some great character material there, whether it's one event spanning three incarnations and their different approaches to handling it. Or there's something nefarious going on and you see Eight & Nine take on the War Doctor mantle; that could also be an interesting "what could have been" too. They're three incarnations that closely lead into one another and I feel like I'd love to see them together. I’d agree. You could do an excellent and fascinating examination or commentary on the nature of war through a story featuring the three of them. The conscientious objector desperately trying to hold on to his mortals in the face of turmoil and madness, the hardened soldier doing what has to be done and the world weary survivor. And I can still see 9 excoriating 8, not forgiving War, "you, you CHOSE to be him. Your fault I'm who I am now." And then 8 sadly replying, "you're still shouting at a mirror, you know, my choices are your choices."
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Post by Kestrel on Aug 18, 2020 1:11:00 GMT
I've heard rumors of a potential War Doctor replacement for Jon Hurt -- presumably a "young" version of the character, but AFAIK ts just wishful thinking. I don't know that Bog Finish had said anything to support the rumor.
Personally I think the ideal counterpart character for War would be 7, not 9, because it was 7's whole mentality that led to the war in the first place.
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Post by elkawho on Aug 18, 2020 14:03:41 GMT
I’d agree. You could do an excellent and fascinating examination or commentary on the nature of war through a story featuring the three of them. The conscientious objector desperately trying to hold on to his mortals in the face of turmoil and madness, the hardened soldier doing what has to be done and the world weary survivor. And I can still see 9 excoriating 8, not forgiving War, "you, you CHOSE to be him. Your fault I'm who I am now." And then 8 sadly replying, "you're still shouting at a mirror, you know, my choices are your choices." Love this.
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 18, 2020 14:57:42 GMT
I've heard rumors of a potential War Doctor replacement for Jon Hurt -- presumably a "young" version of the character, but AFAIK ts just wishful thinking. I don't know that Bog Finish had said anything to support the rumor. Personally I think the ideal counterpart character for War would be 7, not 9, because it was 7's whole mentality that led to the war in the first place. Honestly i hope Big Finish doesn't recast The War Doctor especially given that its only been 3 years since John Hurts passing and if they have to do War Doctor stories just introduce Retrograde Regeneration and have McGann play War
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 18, 2020 15:31:25 GMT
The least imaginative thing Big Finish could do with the War Doctor would be to recast him. There’s certainly a few other possibilities, such as Chronicles, tales from the Time War from the perspective of different characters, audiobooks of the unrecorded Volume 5 scripts, etc.
Just more War Doctor material in general would be nice. I’m sure Big Finish have said that we haven’t heard the last of him, but it’s been 3 and a half years since the last set.
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Post by cwm on Aug 18, 2020 15:51:06 GMT
The least imaginative thing Big Finish could do with the War Doctor would be to recast him. There’s certainly a few other possibilities, such as Chronicles, tales from the Time War from the perspective of different characters, audiobooks of the unrecorded Volume 5 scripts, etc. Just more War Doctor material in general would be nice. I’m sure Big Finish have said that we haven’t heard the last of him, but it’s been 3 and a half years since the last set. Well, the first set only came out a month after John Hurt's passing. It's quite right there should be a respectful pause before deciding what, if anything, should be done next. I think it's also pretty clear that there were rights issues relating to use of the War Doctor, which the BBC may have eased up on lately. Initially BF weren't going to be allowed to use the character at all before they found out John Hurt would actually be up for reprising the part.
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 18, 2020 16:16:29 GMT
The least imaginative thing Big Finish could do with the War Doctor would be to recast him. There’s certainly a few other possibilities, such as Chronicles, tales from the Time War from the perspective of different characters, audiobooks of the unrecorded Volume 5 scripts, etc. Just more War Doctor material in general would be nice. I’m sure Big Finish have said that we haven’t heard the last of him, but it’s been 3 and a half years since the last set. Well, the first set only came out a month after John Hurt's passing. It's quite right there should be a respectful pause before deciding what, if anything, should be done next. I think it's also pretty clear that there were rights issues relating to use of the War Doctor, which the BBC may have eased up on lately. Initially BF weren't going to be allowed to use the character at all before they found out John Hurt would actually be up for reprising the part. Yep, completely get all that. I feel as though the comment from Big Finish about not hearing the last from the War Doctor was a while ago now, though, but we haven’t heard anything since. I took that to mean that they had plans for him, but it could mean that they still have the rights to use him so it wasn’t a case of never hearing from him ever again.
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Post by aztec on Aug 18, 2020 17:30:01 GMT
The least imaginative thing Big Finish could do with the War Doctor would be to recast him. There’s certainly a few other possibilities, such as Chronicles, tales from the Time War from the perspective of different characters, audiobooks of the unrecorded Volume 5 scripts, etc. Just more War Doctor material in general would be nice. I’m sure Big Finish have said that we haven’t heard the last of him, but it’s been 3 and a half years since the last set. Agreed on all points. One of the other reasons I'm against recasting the role is because Hurt was only really in 12 audios and a single TV story, a recast would likely and quickly overtake that number and with the scarcity of material on the War Doctor would end up being more of a replacement rather than paying tribute to the original actor, which doesn't seem right to me as Hurt passed only a few years ago. If BF want/are allowed to do more stories with the War Doctor I think they could actually use this to their advantage- as you say time war stories from other perspectives, keeping the War Doctor on the outskirts of a story or seen from another perspective would retain some of the mystery of him, also avoid the issue that come with a proper recast, if BF were to do some narrated stories hearing more of the War Doctor's internal thoughts would also develop the character (though again a guest narrator wouldn't be an actual recast) There's a part of me that thinks casting a younger actor in the role and showing the War Doctors early years would be exciting...but I'm not so sure the BBC would allow BF to get too dark with the character or allow them to have that level of creative freedom in establishing effectively a new Doctor from the ground up (The War Doctor we see in TDOTD is clearly at the very end of life, an exhausted and hardened man...he must have been through a heck of a lot in the centuries of the time war...) Hmmm...actually that brings me to something else I was wondering about (and more relevant to this thread), I haven't listened to any of them yet, but is the 9th Doctor in the Big Finish audios set before Rose (Battle Scars, The Bleeding Heart and the stories in The Churchill diaries) noticeably more emotional raw/darker in character? Because if he is that may indicate how likely it is to get some 9DA's set in that period...
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Post by mrperson on Aug 19, 2020 21:18:59 GMT
That may not be the best way to draw comparisons... audio and TV episodes are not 1:1. I don't know how accurate they'll be to the final release, but right now Big Finish lists each boxset as totalling 240 minutes. So we can do some simple math: - Eccleston was in 13 episodes of approximately 45minutes each, meaning he played the Doctor on TV for approximately 585 minutes.
- If we assume the estimated 240 minutes per boxset includes bonus features, and those bonus features are 30-50 minutes long, we can assume Eccleston will play the Doctor on audio for approximately 760 to 840 minutes
- I think it's unlikely, but if that estimated 240 minute runtime does -not- include the bonus features, then that's a whopping 960 minutes of Christopher Eccleston as the 9th Doctor. But AFAIK the bonus features are always included in those runtimes.
So to briefly summarize: - On TV: 585 minutes of the 9th Doctor.
- On audio: 760 minutes of the 9th Doctor (at least).
- On autio: 840 minutes of the 9th Doctor (at most).
Which means, once all four boxsets have been released, Eccelston will have spent 130% to 144% as much time as the 9th Doctor on audio as he did on TV.
And those numbers will only increase, has he's likely to do far more than just those four 9DAs.
I wonder if he originally agreed to do a set, but enjoyed it so much he wanted to do more and they obliged. I mean... four sets, all to be released in one year! He has to have enjoyed it.
Extremely promising. I can't imagine he'd walk away after that, so I'm sure he'll record plenty more.
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Post by grinch on Aug 19, 2020 21:40:33 GMT
That may not be the best way to draw comparisons... audio and TV episodes are not 1:1. I don't know how accurate they'll be to the final release, but right now Big Finish lists each boxset as totalling 240 minutes. So we can do some simple math: - Eccleston was in 13 episodes of approximately 45minutes each, meaning he played the Doctor on TV for approximately 585 minutes.
- If we assume the estimated 240 minutes per boxset includes bonus features, and those bonus features are 30-50 minutes long, we can assume Eccleston will play the Doctor on audio for approximately 760 to 840 minutes
- I think it's unlikely, but if that estimated 240 minute runtime does -not- include the bonus features, then that's a whopping 960 minutes of Christopher Eccleston as the 9th Doctor. But AFAIK the bonus features are always included in those runtimes.
So to briefly summarize: - On TV: 585 minutes of the 9th Doctor.
- On audio: 760 minutes of the 9th Doctor (at least).
- On autio: 840 minutes of the 9th Doctor (at most).
Which means, once all four boxsets have been released, Eccelston will have spent 130% to 144% as much time as the 9th Doctor on audio as he did on TV.
And those numbers will only increase, has he's likely to do far more than just those four 9DAs.
I wonder if he originally agreed to do a set, but enjoyed it so much he wanted to do more and they obliged. I mean... four sets, all to be released in one year! He has to have enjoyed it.
Extremely promising. I can't imagine he'd walk away after that, so I'm sure he'll record plenty more.
If that did turn out to be the case, I guess it would be another example of the Jacobi Effect as I am calling it.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 19, 2020 22:06:33 GMT
That may not be the best way to draw comparisons... audio and TV episodes are not 1:1. I don't know how accurate they'll be to the final release, but right now Big Finish lists each boxset as totalling 240 minutes. So we can do some simple math: - Eccleston was in 13 episodes of approximately 45minutes each, meaning he played the Doctor on TV for approximately 585 minutes.
- If we assume the estimated 240 minutes per boxset includes bonus features, and those bonus features are 30-50 minutes long, we can assume Eccleston will play the Doctor on audio for approximately 760 to 840 minutes
- I think it's unlikely, but if that estimated 240 minute runtime does -not- include the bonus features, then that's a whopping 960 minutes of Christopher Eccleston as the 9th Doctor. But AFAIK the bonus features are always included in those runtimes.
So to briefly summarize: - On TV: 585 minutes of the 9th Doctor.
- On audio: 760 minutes of the 9th Doctor (at least).
- On autio: 840 minutes of the 9th Doctor (at most).
Which means, once all four boxsets have been released, Eccelston will have spent 130% to 144% as much time as the 9th Doctor on audio as he did on TV.
And those numbers will only increase, has he's likely to do far more than just those four 9DAs.
I wonder if he originally agreed to do a set, but enjoyed it so much he wanted to do more and they obliged. I mean... four sets, all to be released in one year! He has to have enjoyed it.
Extremely promising. I can't imagine he'd walk away after that, so I'm sure he'll record plenty more.
I thought that it has been confirmed he hasn't recorded anything yet. At least as of the announcement.
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Post by mrperson on Aug 21, 2020 20:44:04 GMT
I wonder if he originally agreed to do a set, but enjoyed it so much he wanted to do more and they obliged. I mean... four sets, all to be released in one year! He has to have enjoyed it.
Extremely promising. I can't imagine he'd walk away after that, so I'm sure he'll record plenty more.
I thought that it has been confirmed he hasn't recorded anything yet. At least as of the announcement. I assumed it had been, since that's how they usually seem to operate.
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