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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 20, 2015 18:47:04 GMT
Oh god lol People are pathetic...besides baddies are the most fun to play. People are silly.
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Post by mark687 on Dec 20, 2015 19:22:26 GMT
Hoping that next year MR's turn out be worth all the secrecy and aren't overshadowed or neglected due to all the post 2005 stuff coming out.
Regards
mark687
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 20, 2015 21:53:48 GMT
Hell, if anything Kilgrave will put people off his Doctor. It already has, for some fans. Personally, I think that's just silly. He's an actor, folks, playing his part. Get over it! I don't know how many people on here read comics, but one of the first one I read back in the 70's was a Daredevil story with The Purple Man, and I must say, I was never a fan of Tennant as an actor, until I saw him do Kilgrave, because, he brought Kilgrave to life perfectly, much better than many of the characters that Marvel has brought to life on the screen recently. I was thinking that Eccleston was the best actor to play the doctor, then Tennant did Kilgrave, and moved up to Eccleston's class, as far as I'm concerned. Add to that the love Tennant has for the doctor role and his fans, and that puts him in a whole nother class, IMO.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 20, 2015 21:57:47 GMT
I remember when David Tennant started as the Doctor my wife wasn't initially very keen on him becuase she had recently watched him in something where he was a horrible murderer (I think), however he soon won her around! Unfortunately unless the actor looks completely different you do sometimes have preconceptions based on their past performances. Whenever I see Peirce Bronsnan in a movie I half expect him to be playing James Bond undercover. I guess I'm showing my age, but I never could get Bronsnan as Bond, because I grew up with him as Remington Steele, that was a great Tuesday night lineup, The A-Team, Simon and Simon, then Remington Steele. AHH. Youth.
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Post by elkawho on Dec 20, 2015 23:10:53 GMT
I remember when David Tennant started as the Doctor my wife wasn't initially very keen on him becuase she had recently watched him in something where he was a horrible murderer (I think), however he soon won her around! Unfortunately unless the actor looks completely different you do sometimes have preconceptions based on their past performances. Whenever I see Peirce Bronsnan in a movie I half expect him to be playing James Bond undercover. I guess I'm showing my age, but I never could get Bronsnan as Bond, because I grew up with him as Remington Steele, that was a great Tuesday night lineup, The A-Team, Simon and Simon, then Remington Steele. AHH. Youth. I agree. I used to have Pierce Brosnan and Jameson Parker's pictures on my walls as a teen. I loved those shows.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 20, 2015 23:47:32 GMT
I guess I'm showing my age, but I never could get Bronsnan as Bond, because I grew up with him as Remington Steele, that was a great Tuesday night lineup, The A-Team, Simon and Simon, then Remington Steele. AHH. Youth. I agree. I used to have Pierce Brosnan and Jameson Parker's pictures on my walls as a teen. I loved those shows. I had Catherine Bach, Morgan Fairchild, and Jamie Lee Curtis...And the classic Farrah Faucett.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 24, 2015 11:25:32 GMT
What if the Clara echo had to separate Ace from the 7th Doctor though to save him? It could be a similar situation to Hell Bent only with the Doctor becoming too dark and manipulative over Ace. Again, ew. Why? Let one of the longest serving companions have her exit free of any New Series influence. Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should. Or that it would make any sense. You do realise the 'new series' is part of the same show, right? It's like me saying Doctor Who should never have any classic series influence.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 24, 2015 12:41:23 GMT
Again, ew. Why? Let one of the longest serving companions have her exit free of any New Series influence. Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should. Or that it would make any sense. You do realise the 'new series' is part of the same show, right? It's like me saying Doctor Who should never have any classic series influence. Yes I know it has been said that it is all one show but I find it difficult to ignore the gap in production and the style of the revived series. Yes it is all Doctor Who but with differences. Still, point stands. There is no reason at all for Clara to play any kind of role in Ace's departure. I don't object to a story featuring Ace & Clara but I do believe that a character such as Ace deserves to have her own story to say goodbye in and Clara simply isn't necessary. Or a good idea. Again, just because one can do a thing does not mean one should do a thing.
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Post by randomjc on Dec 24, 2015 14:03:53 GMT
You do realise the 'new series' is part of the same show, right? It's like me saying Doctor Who should never have any classic series influence. Yes I know it has been said that it is all one show but I find it difficult to ignore the gap in production and the style of the revived series. Yes it is all Doctor Who but with differences. Still, point stands. There is no reason at all for Clara to play any kind of role in Ace's departure. I don't object to a story featuring Ace & Clara but I do believe that a character such as Ace deserves to have her own story to say goodbye in and Clara simply isn't necessary. Or a good idea. Again, just because one can do a thing does not mean one should do a thing. I'd like Ace's leaving to be of her own agency or of the doctor's. Not of some other character who has no weight to Ace and her staying around. Having not seen the last Ace/Hex Trilogy, I may be speaking out of my ass, but Hex, and the way the Doctor used him, and her, would have been the perfect "I'm fed up, I'm leaving" story. Injecting Clara into the story is fan jodrell only to "Tie them together" in a way that isn't needed.
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Post by Hieronymus on Dec 24, 2015 17:40:46 GMT
... I do believe that a character such as Ace deserves to have her own story to say goodbye in ... I still consider Survival to be Ace's goodbye story, and would rather not have any other goodbye story for her. That way, there's at least one Companion whom we have never seen leave the Doctor, and Ace's story will go on and on.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 24, 2015 22:16:15 GMT
Yes I know it has been said that it is all one show but I find it difficult to ignore the gap in production and the style of the revived series. Yes it is all Doctor Who but with differences. Still, point stands. There is no reason at all for Clara to play any kind of role in Ace's departure. I don't object to a story featuring Ace & Clara but I do believe that a character such as Ace deserves to have her own story to say goodbye in and Clara simply isn't necessary. Or a good idea. Again, just because one can do a thing does not mean one should do a thing. I'd like Ace's leaving to be of her own agency or of the doctor's. Not of some other character who has no weight to Ace and her staying around. Having not seen the last Ace/Hex Trilogy, I may be speaking out of my ass, but Hex, and the way the Doctor used him, and her, would have been the perfect "I'm fed up, I'm leaving" story. Injecting Clara into the story is fan jodrell only to "Tie them together" in a way that isn't needed. I don't think it's the best idea but I certainly wouldn't call it fanjodrell. 'Fanjodrell' would be using a really obscure fan-favourite character from the new series.
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Post by randomjc on Dec 26, 2015 2:33:05 GMT
I'd like Ace's leaving to be of her own agency or of the doctor's. Not of some other character who has no weight to Ace and her staying around. Having not seen the last Ace/Hex Trilogy, I may be speaking out of my ass, but Hex, and the way the Doctor used him, and her, would have been the perfect "I'm fed up, I'm leaving" story. Injecting Clara into the story is fan jodrell only to "Tie them together" in a way that isn't needed. I don't think it's the best idea but I certainly wouldn't call it fanjodrell. 'Fanjodrell' would be using a really obscure fan-favourite character from the new series. no, it's fanjodrell.
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Post by omega on Dec 26, 2015 2:47:54 GMT
Yes I know it has been said that it is all one show but I find it difficult to ignore the gap in production and the style of the revived series. Yes it is all Doctor Who but with differences. Still, point stands. There is no reason at all for Clara to play any kind of role in Ace's departure. I don't object to a story featuring Ace & Clara but I do believe that a character such as Ace deserves to have her own story to say goodbye in and Clara simply isn't necessary. Or a good idea. Again, just because one can do a thing does not mean one should do a thing. I'd like Ace's leaving to be of her own agency or of the doctor's. Not of some other character who has no weight to Ace and her staying around. Having not seen the last Ace/Hex Trilogy, I may be speaking out of my ass, but Hex, and the way the Doctor used him, and her, would have been the perfect "I'm fed up, I'm leaving" story. Injecting Clara into the story is fan jodrell only to "Tie them together" in a way that isn't needed. Based on Ace's character, it won't be. Her whole identity is that it's her and the Doctor, racketing about the universe righting wrongs. She knows that the Seventh Doctor has a manipulative streak, and this can spark a display of outrage within her, but in the end Ace will look past the latest masterplan and forgive the Doctor. The only narratives to show Ace leaving the Doctor have been Love and War, Set Piece and Ground Zero. In Love and War the Doctor's actions affect Ace so personally that she stays behind on another planet far in the future, without thinking about what she'll do next. In Set Piece Ace has matured somewhat, willingly parting ways with the Doctor and Benny, on good terms with both of them, to settle down, although this was after a three year stint Dalek hunting and nursing a grudge for what happened in Love and War. In Ground Zero, she dies. For the current Ace in the audios, it'll take something completely unexpected and unforeseen to write her out.
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Post by marie1964 on Dec 26, 2015 3:25:18 GMT
Having Clara be the reason for Ace's exit is the absolute LAST thing I want. For one thing, Ace is rather stubborn and I'd like to think she'd leave of her own free will, or for one of the Doctor's manipulations going too far as mentioned above. Or, since we know she goes to the Academy, maybe she becomes stuck on Gallifrey?....Actually now that he's found it, I would love for Sophie to be able to come back to the show. I think her and Peter would make an interesting combination.
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Post by randomjc on Dec 26, 2015 3:28:49 GMT
I'd like Ace's leaving to be of her own agency or of the doctor's. Not of some other character who has no weight to Ace and her staying around. Having not seen the last Ace/Hex Trilogy, I may be speaking out of my ass, but Hex, and the way the Doctor used him, and her, would have been the perfect "I'm fed up, I'm leaving" story. Injecting Clara into the story is fan jodrell only to "Tie them together" in a way that isn't needed. Based on Ace's character, it won't be. Her whole identity is that it's her and the Doctor, racketing about the universe righting wrongs. She knows that the Seventh Doctor has a manipulative streak, and this can spark a display of outrage within her, but in the end Ace will look past the latest masterplan and forgive the Doctor. The only narratives to show Ace leaving the Doctor have been Love and War, Set Piece and Ground Zero. In Love and War the Doctor's actions affect Ace so personally that she stays behind on another planet far in the future, without thinking about what she'll do next. In Set Piece Ace has matured somewhat, willingly parting ways with the Doctor and Benny, on good terms with both of them, to settle down, although this was after a three year stint Dalek hunting and nursing a grudge for what happened in Love and War. In Ground Zero, she dies. For the current Ace in the audios, it'll take something completely unexpected and unforeseen to write her out. I honestly would have thought the story after Hex died, where she forced him to go see his grandmother could have been a good emotional this is too much, I'm gone, moment. But I don't disagree with what you've put forth. edited for spoilers
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Post by omega on Dec 26, 2015 3:42:50 GMT
Based on Ace's character, it won't be. Her whole identity is that it's her and the Doctor, racketing about the universe righting wrongs. She knows that the Seventh Doctor has a manipulative streak, and this can spark a display of outrage within her, but in the end Ace will look past the latest masterplan and forgive the Doctor. The only narratives to show Ace leaving the Doctor have been Love and War, Set Piece and Ground Zero. In Love and War the Doctor's actions affect Ace so personally that she stays behind on another planet far in the future, without thinking about what she'll do next. In Set Piece Ace has matured somewhat, willingly parting ways with the Doctor and Benny, on good terms with both of them, to settle down, although this was after a three year stint Dalek hunting and nursing a grudge for what happened in Love and War. In Ground Zero, she dies. For the current Ace in the audios, it'll take something completely unexpected and unforeseen to write her out. I honestly would have thought the story after Hex died, where she forced him to go see his grandmother could have been a good emotional this is too much, I'm gone, moment. But I don't disagree with what you've put forth. Then Ace gave herself the task of restoring Hector to Hex, after which she realises the big picture stuff the Doctor goes through and it's business as usual. From there it looks like it's the stories from You are the Doctor and she's not looking back. To remain true to the character, Ace's departure will have to be the result of an external factor neither she nor the Doctor can influence. In A Death in the Family it's noted that her adventures with the Doctor in the TARDIS are all the life Ace has ever wanted to live (she probably doesn't count Perivale as living). There have been times where a companion has contemplated leaving the Doctor, but Ace was never one of those people.
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Post by randomjc on Dec 26, 2015 12:48:44 GMT
I honestly would have thought the story after Hex died, where she forced him to go see his grandmother could have been a good emotional this is too much, I'm gone, moment. But I don't disagree with what you've put forth. Then Ace gave herself the task of restoring Hector to Hex, after which she realises the big picture stuff the Doctor goes through and it's business as usual. From there it looks like it's the stories from You are the Doctor and she's not looking back. To remain true to the character, Ace's departure will have to be the result of an external factor neither she nor the Doctor can influence. In A Death in the Family it's noted that her adventures with the Doctor in the TARDIS are all the life Ace has ever wanted to live (she probably doesn't count Perivale as living). There have been times where a companion has contemplated leaving the Doctor, but Ace was never one of those people. having not seen the Hector trilogy that followed, I always felt that the story would have been better served as a departure story for ace, instead of kicking of a new bit. But that is just my opinion.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 26, 2015 22:25:21 GMT
I don't think it's the best idea but I certainly wouldn't call it fanjodrell. 'Fanjodrell' would be using a really obscure fan-favourite character from the new series. no, it's fanjodrell. Fanjodrell would be bringing back Dodo Chaplet in Doctor Who series 10 or a sequel to The Two Doctors with Colin Baker and Peter Capaldi.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 26, 2015 22:27:53 GMT
I don't think it's the best idea but I certainly wouldn't call it fanjodrell. 'Fanjodrell' would be using a really obscure fan-favourite character from the new series. no, it's fanjodrell.
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Post by randomjc on Dec 26, 2015 22:30:43 GMT
Fanjodrell would be bringing back Dodo Chaplet in Doctor Who series 10 or a sequel to The Two Doctors with Colin Baker and Peter Capaldi. Or its lazy and pointless.
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