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Post by xlozdob on May 31, 2021 19:35:59 GMT
He is! And it certainly sounds promising. If the conversation (well, it's certainly more heated than a conversation, blame the Eternal Flame) between Ohila (who has Higgins' inflexions down to a tee) and Tamasan, or at least what's behind it, is something recurrent in this range, I'll be a happy boy.
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Post by constonks on Jun 1, 2021 0:20:50 GMT
Well, the first eleven minutes are great at least! Some things I like: - Ohila telling off the Time Lords (and Rassilon the "father of lies") at their most powerful like it's nothing. - The implication that the Doctor's regeneration into the War Doctor was a trap set by Gallifrey (or at least a foregone conclusion). - The War Doctor referring to Eight as someone else and lamenting he couldn't saving him. - The Doctor starting a life by digging through a spaceship graveyard is great. - It's a new post-regeneration story and that in itself is exciting enough for me!
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Post by Kestrel on Jun 1, 2021 2:46:53 GMT
How are y'all listening to this? Is it hosted somewhere, or a d/l link I'm not seeing?
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Post by constonks on Jun 1, 2021 2:54:45 GMT
How are y'all listening to this? Is it hosted somewhere, or a d/l link I'm not seeing? The Big Finish email newsletter includes a code to download the excerpt.
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Post by Kestrel on Jun 1, 2021 3:16:51 GMT
Hm... guess I'll check my spam folder. Thanks.
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Post by project37 on Jun 1, 2021 8:21:24 GMT
Wow. Carley had a lot to accomplish with these opening scenes and made it seem effortless. Only eleven minutes in, and he's easily the most successful and effective of the recast Doctors to my ears. Very strong (and uncanny) performance!
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Post by The Matt on Jun 10, 2021 4:55:29 GMT
Any guesses when this will “drop” (to use the cool kids term)
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 10, 2021 6:30:34 GMT
Any guesses when this will “drop” (to use the cool kids term) Sometime this month (but in all seriousness why don't BF just give us release dates?)
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Post by shallacatop on Jun 13, 2021 10:33:19 GMT
The latest podcast is worth a listen. Some behind the scenes with interesting comments on the lead up to Carley coming on board and his first recording. It’s followed by the first 10 minutes or so of the set, which has already been shared, but just as great on a relisten and I’m warming more to Veronica Roberts’s Ohila.
Hopefully the set will be out this coming week!
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Post by cyrano on Jun 14, 2021 10:04:59 GMT
Any guesses when this will “drop” (to use the cool kids term) Sometime this month (but in all seriousness why don't BF just give us release dates?) I think in the early days they did, but a few releases were delayed because of production issues and some fans were vocally quite annoyed (not unfairly, I think) so they've found it safest to work to the month rather than the day - even if many regular series do fall into a pattern about when in the month they release.
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Post by cjr on Jun 22, 2021 8:14:39 GMT
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jun 22, 2021 8:33:29 GMT
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jun 22, 2021 8:55:50 GMT
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Post by shallacatop on Jun 22, 2021 10:21:21 GMT
Light the Flame is a very confident opener. I really think having it tied to something on screen has worked in its favour; it just gets on with it. I feel there's a good indication of where the team want to go with the range and this particular era of the War Doctor. For me it already feels a contrast to the Eighth Doctor and Hurt War Doctor ranges, with some interesting machinations on Karn and Gallifrey, a breaking down of the Doctor that had come before and the build up of where this incarnation will take us.
Carley really shines in the role. That 15 minute tease was a good indicator, but he just gets better as the story goes on. Hopefully they settle on how they name the War Doctor, as the "stop calling me that!" will quickly grate.
I was going to collate my thoughts once I'd heard the full set, but I was really energised listening to this that I felt I needed to say my thoughts before I forgot! Looking forward to the other two episodes.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 22, 2021 14:09:48 GMT
Well that was interesting
I'll start with a clear positive, Jonathon Carley is 99,9% vocal and performance wise uncanny which meant my full focus was on story.
And its very good introduction story and highlights the contradiction, or lack thereof. This Doctor is different, no he's not, he's less qualms about unavoidable immediate colatoral damage then his predecessors, but so far the overall objective is to minimize it among the masses.
So i guess the message is a slightly more Kick Ass Doc has a better chance at saving something of the Universe?
I get it is a Time War but I'm not sure having the same thing resolve the story every time is necessary.
Our returning elements from TV and Audio are all well showcased.
It would work quite well as a TV Season
A very Solid 4/5
Regards
mark687
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Post by shallacatop on Jun 22, 2021 16:04:03 GMT
Lion Hearts was interesting. A story structure like that is hard to achieve on screen, never mind on audio, but it's well executed and bravo to Lou Morgan for that. It's almost a bit of an unsettling listen at times, building up on what the Doctor shows he's capable of in the previous episode. He's very sure of himself and his decision and it's a shock. Of course, it's not quite what it seems in the end, but I think the point is that you believe he's made that choice. And he's done it in quite a callous manner. It makes you wonder what the impact will be when he makes that choice and there's no other option. I feel like that's what we're building up to, as nobody really knows just how different he is yet at this point.
Slight criticism is I wish the story had carried on directly from Light the Flame. It feels like there's a gap and my preference would be for the first events of a new incarnation to be pretty much back-to-back.
The Shadow Squad is a nice contrast to Lion Hearts, like that was to Light the Flame. It's a great concept and gives us further insight into the machinations of Gallifrey and their constant plans and battles to get one up over the Daleks / Skaro. I think the focus here is the conclusion of the War Doctor's origins and his character arc, which is the heart of the set. It comes to a head here, with how he confronts the Daleks, handles them and solidifies that he is different to his previous incarnations and does what needs to be done. That doesn't make him a bloodthirsty bastard or anything like that, but by the end of this he's become the soldier that he needed to be. That doesn't mean he loses his quirks that the Doctor has either.
Overall it's a great set and perhaps my favourite release from Big Finish this year. It's an event but doesn't treat it as an event; it just gets on with it, which feels very appropriate for this incarnation. As I mentioned in my previous post, I feel there's a good indication of where they want to go with this range and his evolution in just three stories solidifies this. I'm intrigued to see it develop more and to get the War Doctor that leads on the battlefield, does stuff his own way and winds up the War Council no end, but instils faith in his comrades that what he's doing is right.
I'd quite like to see the Doctor on Gallifrey in the next set and some glimpses of the military genius that's been alluded to.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jun 22, 2021 17:21:25 GMT
Well that was interesting I'll start with a clear positive, Jonathon Carley is 99,9% vocal and performance wise uncanny which meant my full focus was on story. And its very good introduction story and highlights the contradiction, or lack thereof. This Doctor is different, no he's not, he's less qualms about unavoidable immediate colatoral damage then his predecessors, but so far the overall objective is to minimize it among the masses. So i guess the message is a slightly more Kick Ass Doc has a better chance at saving something of the Universe? I get it is a Time War but I'm not sure having the same thing resolve the story every time is necessary. Our returning elements from TV and Audio are all well showcased. It would work quite well as a TV Season A very Solid 4/5 Regards mark687 Awesomely put Mark you should write my revews
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Post by Timelord007 on Jun 22, 2021 17:24:01 GMT
Lion Hearts was interesting. A story structure like that is hard to achieve on screen, never mind on audio, but it's well executed and bravo to Lou Morgan for that. It's almost a bit of an unsettling listen at times, building up on what the Doctor shows he's capable of in the previous episode. He's very sure of himself and his decision and it's a shock. Of course, it's not quite what it seems in the end, but I think the point is that you believe he's made that choice. And he's done it in quite a callous manner. It makes you wonder what the impact will be when he makes that choice and there's no other option. I feel like that's what we're building up to, as nobody really knows just how different he is yet at this point. Slight criticism is I wish the story had carried on directly from Light the Flame. It feels like there's a gap and my preference would be for the first events of a new incarnation to be pretty much back-to-back. The Shadow Squad is a nice contrast to Lion Hearts, like that was to Light the Flame. It's a great concept and gives us further insight into the machinations of Gallifrey and their constant plans and battles to get one up over the Daleks / Skaro. I think the focus here is the conclusion of the War Doctor's origins and his character arc, which is the heart of the set. It comes to a head here, with how he confronts the Daleks, handles them and solidifies that he is different to his previous incarnations and does what needs to be done. That doesn't make him a bloodthirsty bastard or anything like that, but by the end of this he's become the soldier that he needed to be. That doesn't mean he loses his quirks that the Doctor has either. Overall it's a great set and perhaps my favourite release from Big Finish this year. It's an event but doesn't treat it as an event; it just gets on with it, which feels very appropriate for this incarnation. As I mentioned in my previous post, I feel there's a good indication of where they want to go with this range and his evolution in just three stories solidifies this. I'm intrigued to see it develop more and to get the War Doctor that leads on the battlefield, does stuff his own way and winds up the War Council no end, but instils faith in his comrades that what he's doing is right. I'd quite like to see the Doctor on Gallifrey in the next set and some glimpses of the military genius that's been alluded to. Superbly put my friend, I've yet to hear this but Mark 687 & yourself got me buzzed about listening to this audio drama. It sounds like they doing a interesting arc on a very different incarnation from pacifist to soldier.
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Post by kurumais on Jun 23, 2021 4:41:21 GMT
did they clone john hurt? i could swear im listening to hurt. jacob dudman is excellent but he cant hold a candle to carney.
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Post by barnabaslives on Jun 23, 2021 4:41:24 GMT
I really didn't want to burn thru the whole set in a single evening but I'm not sure how I'm going to manage to save the last stories. Well, about that really strong opener... Well that was interesting I'll start with a clear positive, Jonathon Carley is 99,9% vocal and performance wise uncanny which meant my full focus was on story. And its very good introduction story and highlights the contradiction, or lack thereof. This Doctor is different, no he's not, he's less qualms about unavoidable immediate colatoral damage then his predecessors, but so far the overall objective is to minimize it among the masses. So i guess the message is a slightly more Kick Ass Doc has a better chance at saving something of the Universe? All well said and I'm very much agreed. It took me maybe fifteen minutes to get used to it not being John Hurt but Carley does an excellent job and it that isn't the fastest I've ever taken to a recast, it's certainly the most firmly I've ever taken to one that quickly. Fifteen minutes in, that IS the War Doctor and that's that. Also a particularly good job by Matt Fitton, I think. The story about just picked me up and carried me along, including through those dodgy issues about how the War Doctor is different that the Doctor or not. All of that seemed to end up neatly settled enough for my liking, which is very pleasantly surprising because it still didn't even seem all that settled for me where the series with John Hurt left off. Sign me up for the whole series. Well done, Big Finish!
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