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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 23, 2021 22:53:14 GMT
And don’t even get them started on whether Vienna is in continuity or not.. Well we can all agree on one thing. Bare-All-Man will not be a companion again. Seriously JhD you have an unhealthy obsession with John Barrowman at this point
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 24, 2021 14:24:32 GMT
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 26, 2021 0:49:11 GMT
Welcome Back Mr Barrowman
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Post by fitzoliverj on Aug 26, 2021 17:16:04 GMT
Semi-serious idea: back when Michael Moorcock wrote his 11th Doctor novel, he was refused permission to use Captain Jack so repurposed recurring Moorcockian character Jerry Cornelius as Captain Cornelius. If Titan have had to junk their Jack comic, I wonder if they could get permission from Moorcock to revive his DW character and repurpose the material? Probably more trouble than it's worth, I suppose.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 26, 2021 17:25:51 GMT
Semi-serious idea: back when Michael Moorcock wrote his 11th Doctor novel, he was refused permission to use Captain Jack so repurposed recurring Moorcockian character Jerry Cornelius as Captain Cornelius. If Titan have had to junk their Jack comic, I wonder if they could get permission from Moorcock to revive his DW character and repurpose the material? Probably more trouble than it's worth, I suppose. Interesting idea. Similar to when the writer of Doom Patrol was denied use of John Constantine so he created a character that was basically the same, Willoughby Kipling.
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Post by horatiowatson on Aug 29, 2021 14:07:53 GMT
I was watching that hashtag about Barrowman going around the last few days and it seems to me that most are motivated by trying to get Absent Friends released, more than any loyalty to JB. While there's a still big question mark hovering over Absent Friends, people are throwing support behind him in the hope things might be smoothed over long enough to get it released.
Makes me wonder if Big Finish might be better off quietly releasing Absent Friends and taking the short-term hit from social media. Then Big Finish can quietly cut all ties with JB (if they choose to). Remove that target and, since there are no future stories with Captain Jack announced and nothing to publicly cancel or postpone, their complaints become much more vague.
Most of you already know that I'm desperate to hear Absent Friends for the Tenth Doctor appearance. I don't care if JB does any future audios. So, while I'm not unbiased, I think my logic is sound.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 29, 2021 18:50:12 GMT
I was watching that hashtag about Barrowman going around the last few days and it seems to me that most are motivated by trying to get Absent Friends released, more than any loyalty to JB. While there's a still big question mark hovering over Absent Friends, people are throwing support behind him in the hope things might be smoothed over long enough to get it released. Unfortunately, the NMDs are trying to hijack it to make Barrowman 'one of them', including a certain youtuber who's name includes 'serving utensil used for soup'.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 29, 2021 18:56:34 GMT
I was watching that hashtag about Barrowman going around the last few days and it seems to me that most are motivated by trying to get Absent Friends released, more than any loyalty to JB. While there's a still big question mark hovering over Absent Friends, people are throwing support behind him in the hope things might be smoothed over long enough to get it released. Unfortunately, the NMDs are trying to hijack it to make Barrowman 'one of them', including a certain youtuber who's name includes 'serving utensil used for soup'. What a surprise the NMDs are supporting the pervert Bare-All-Man.
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Post by cwm on Aug 29, 2021 20:03:56 GMT
I was watching that hashtag about Barrowman going around the last few days and it seems to me that most are motivated by trying to get Absent Friends released, more than any loyalty to JB. While there's a still big question mark hovering over Absent Friends, people are throwing support behind him in the hope things might be smoothed over long enough to get it released. Makes me wonder if Big Finish might be better off quietly releasing Absent Friends and taking the short-term hit from social media. Then Big Finish can quietly cut all ties with JB (if they choose to). Remove that target and, since there are no future stories with Captain Jack announced and nothing to publicly cancel or postpone, their complaints become much more vague. Most of you already know that I'm desperate to hear Absent Friends for the Tenth Doctor appearance. I don't care if JB does any future audios. So, while I'm not unbiased, I think my logic is sound. I very much doubt it's BF's decision. They'd have to get permission from the BBC (who also removed Barrowman's pre-record from Time Fracture and cancelled the planned Series 13 tie-in graphic novel featuring Jack) to release it. Twitter hashtags can be safely ignored anyway. It's just a few dozen nutters, tops. (And a lot of them seem to be denying Barrowman ever did anything wrong in the first place from what I've seen, which is all the more reason not to give in to them...)
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 30, 2021 11:39:20 GMT
I was watching that hashtag about Barrowman going around the last few days and it seems to me that most are motivated by trying to get Absent Friends released, more than any loyalty to JB. While there's a still big question mark hovering over Absent Friends, people are throwing support behind him in the hope things might be smoothed over long enough to get it released. Makes me wonder if Big Finish might be better off quietly releasing Absent Friends and taking the short-term hit from social media. Then Big Finish can quietly cut all ties with JB (if they choose to). Remove that target and, since there are no future stories with Captain Jack announced and nothing to publicly cancel or postpone, their complaints become much more vague. Most of you already know that I'm desperate to hear Absent Friends for the Tenth Doctor appearance. I don't care if JB does any future audios. So, while I'm not unbiased, I think my logic is sound. I very much doubt it's BF's decision. They'd have to get permission from the BBC (who also removed Barrowman's pre-record from Time Fracture and cancelled the planned Series 13 tie-in graphic novel featuring Jack) to release it. Twitter hashtags can be safely ignored anyway. It's just a few dozen nutters, tops. (And a lot of them seem to be denying Barrowman ever did anything wrong in the first place from what I've seen, which is all the more reason not to give in to them...) The correct decision was made by the BBC.
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Post by noneofyourbusiness on Aug 30, 2021 19:44:13 GMT
Makes me wonder if Big Finish might be better off quietly releasing Absent Friends and taking the short-term hit from social media. I have a hard time believing they'd even take a hit from social media with all the anticipation.
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Post by Ela on Aug 31, 2021 3:42:27 GMT
There's no question mark hanging over Absent Friends. Big Finish has clearly indicated that they are not planning to release it.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 31, 2021 6:24:14 GMT
Makes me wonder if Big Finish might be better off quietly releasing Absent Friends and taking the short-term hit from social media. I have a hard time believing they'd even take a hit from social media with all the anticipation. Oh there will be. Bare-All-Man is still a controversial figure in fandom.
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Post by cwm on Aug 31, 2021 9:05:37 GMT
I have a hard time believing they'd even take a hit from social media with all the anticipation. Oh there will be. Bare-All-Man is still a controversial figure in fandom. You know when someone else in this thread said you had an "unhealthy obsession" with Barrowman? I think they had a point.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Aug 31, 2021 10:01:58 GMT
I was watching that hashtag about Barrowman going around the last few days and it seems to me that most are motivated by trying to get Absent Friends released, more than any loyalty to JB. While there's a still big question mark hovering over Absent Friends, people are throwing support behind him in the hope things might be smoothed over long enough to get it released. Unfortunately, the NMDs are trying to hijack it to make Barrowman 'one of them', including a certain youtuber who's name includes 'serving utensil used for soup'. How does the almost universally sexist and right-whinge twist their thinking to adopt an openly gay, pro-female Doctor leftie like Barrowman as “one of them”! ?
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 31, 2021 10:14:10 GMT
Unfortunately, the NMDs are trying to hijack it to make Barrowman 'one of them', including a certain youtuber who's name includes 'serving utensil used for soup'. How does the almost universally sexist and right-whinge twist their thinking to adopt an openly gay, pro-female Doctor leftie like Barrowman as “one of them”! ?I can only imagine they want to get away with doing the same thing to women they work with that Bare-All-Man did.
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Post by horatiowatson on Aug 31, 2021 10:16:12 GMT
There's no question mark hanging over Absent Friends. Big Finish has clearly indicated that they are not planning to release it. Tell that to the people tweeting and messaging Big Finish every single day asking about it. Rightly or wrongly, they believe that it will be released someday and will keep asking until it is - there's the question mark. It's an albatross around Big Finish's neck that they can't ignore forever. Besides, Big Finish said in May that they had no plans to release it. But that can change. It was finished, edited, signed off and days away from release. It's ready to go whenever or however they choose. It cost too much to produce and was too highly anticipated for it to just be forgotten. It might take years but this will be out one day. Just a question of when.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 31, 2021 10:26:40 GMT
There's no question mark hanging over Absent Friends. Big Finish has clearly indicated that they are not planning to release it. Tell that to the people tweeting and messaging Big Finish every single day asking about it. Rightly or wrongly, they believe that it will be released someday and will keep asking until it is - there's the question mark. It's an albatross around Big Finish's neck that they can't ignore forever. Besides, Big Finish said in May that they had no plans to release it. But that can change. It was finished, edited, signed off and days away from release. It's ready to go whenever or however they choose. It cost too much to produce and was too highly anticipated for it to just be forgotten. It might take years but this will be out one day. Just a question of when. Despite fan pressure & the factors you mention the fact that the product page no longer exists would indicate that there are no plans to release it. This is very different to something like the eternally delayed Jekyll and Hyde which has TBC release date. I know some fans still want Absent Friends but how much clearer can BF be?
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 31, 2021 10:33:05 GMT
Just to play Devil’s advocate, the fact they haven’t refunded everyone for Absent Friends (unless requested) suggests they haven’t entirely written off ever releasing it. If they did, then they’d have just refunded everyone and that would be the end of the matter.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Aug 31, 2021 10:33:13 GMT
Tell that to the people tweeting and messaging Big Finish every single day asking about it. Rightly or wrongly, they believe that it will be released someday and will keep asking until it is - there's the question mark. It's an albatross around Big Finish's neck that they can't ignore forever. Besides, Big Finish said in May that they had no plans to release it. But that can change. It was finished, edited, signed off and days away from release. It's ready to go whenever or however they choose. It cost too much to produce and was too highly anticipated for it to just be forgotten. It might take years but this will be out one day. Just a question of when. Despite fan pressure & the factors you mention the fact that the product page no longer exists would indicate that there are no plans to release it. This is very different to something like the eternally delayed Jekyll and Hyde which has TBC release date. I know some fans still want Absent Friends but how much clearer can BF be? www.bigfinish.com/news/v/captain-jack-returns-to-torchwoodThe news page is still up, though.
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