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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 31, 2021 10:39:14 GMT
Just to play Devil’s advocate, the fact they haven’t refunded everyone for Absent Friends (unless requested) suggests they haven’t entirely written off ever releasing it. If they did, then they’d have just refunded everyone and that would be the end of the matter. The money is resting in their account generating interest.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 31, 2021 10:55:29 GMT
Just to play Devil’s advocate, the fact they haven’t refunded everyone for Absent Friends (unless requested) suggests they haven’t entirely written off ever releasing it. If they did, then they’d have just refunded everyone and that would be the end of the matter. The money is resting in their account generating interest. Yes and if they Don't/Can't release it by the time the next lot of TW MR's are put up for pre-order I'll insist on substitute release they promised or an option for a reduced Subscription price on the new lot. Regards mark687
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 31, 2021 10:59:33 GMT
Just to play Devil’s advocate, the fact they haven’t refunded everyone for Absent Friends (unless requested) suggests they haven’t entirely written off ever releasing it. If they did, then they’d have just refunded everyone and that would be the end of the matter. The money is resting in their account generating interest. I don’t disagree, but they cannot do that on a release they never expect to release. That’s what I’m saying; the fact they haven’t refunded everyone suggests they haven’t written off ever releasing it. The reality is that they’re probably beholden to BBC Studios and will let their actions dictate their next steps. But if they were outright told to cancel the release (and if that was the case BBC Studios may have potentially compensated for the cost of the production), then they’d have said as such in their email and issued a blanket refund to every customer.
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Post by The Brigadier on Aug 31, 2021 11:05:21 GMT
Just to play Devil’s advocate, the fact they haven’t refunded everyone for Absent Friends (unless requested) suggests they haven’t entirely written off ever releasing it. If they did, then they’d have just refunded everyone and that would be the end of the matter. The money is resting in their account generating interest. Oh of course..Jason must be raking in the pennies from all those £10.99 payments...🤦♂️
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Post by The Brigadier on Aug 31, 2021 11:15:25 GMT
The money is resting in their account generating interest. Yes and if they Don't/Can't release it by the time the next lot of TW MR's are put up for pre-order I'll insist on substitute release they promised or an option for a reduced Subscription price on the new lot. Regards mark687 Forgive my curiosity, but have you emailed Big Finish and explicitly asked for a refund?
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Post by mark687 on Aug 31, 2021 11:34:51 GMT
Yes and if they Don't/Can't release it by the time the next lot of TW MR's are put up for pre-order I'll insist on substitute release they promised or an option for a reduced Subscription price on the new lot. Regards mark687 Forgive my curiosity, but have you emailed Big Finish and explicitly asked for a refund? No because the wording of the E-Mail when it was cancelled as i bought a Sub Please note: all bundle pre-orders for the Torchwood Monthly Range stories 49-54 or 49-60 will feature an alternative title in its place. Listeners who have pre-ordered this title as an individual purchase and would like to request a refund can do so by contacting the Sales team via bigfinish.com/contact. Regards mark687
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Post by The Brigadier on Aug 31, 2021 12:17:50 GMT
Forgive my curiosity, but have you emailed Big Finish and explicitly asked for a refund? No because the wording of the E-Mail when it was cancelled as i bought a Sub Please note: all bundle pre-orders for the Torchwood Monthly Range stories 49-54 or 49-60 will feature an alternative title in its place. Listeners who have pre-ordered this title as an individual purchase and would like to request a refund can do so by contacting the Sales team via bigfinish.com/contact. Regards mark687 Ah..okay. Thanks for that. So the option of refund is open to individual purchasers but not the bundle buyers? And I take it they haven't said exactly what the "alternative title" will be?
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Post by mark687 on Aug 31, 2021 12:24:42 GMT
No because the wording of the E-Mail when it was cancelled as i bought a Sub Please note: all bundle pre-orders for the Torchwood Monthly Range stories 49-54 or 49-60 will feature an alternative title in its place. Listeners who have pre-ordered this title as an individual purchase and would like to request a refund can do so by contacting the Sales team via bigfinish.com/contact. Regards mark687 Ah..okay. Thanks for that. So the option of refund is open to individual purchasers but not the bundle buyers? And I take it they haven't said exactly what the "alternative title" will be? Not as of yet Regards mark687
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2021 12:30:08 GMT
From the evidence we have it seems big finish can’t release absent friends but do want to release absent friends. Which is why they haven’t done an automatic refund like with the steamie. If they could release it, they would. I don’t think the reasons are moral but more bbc studios speculated blockade of the release. (Which i also don’t think is a moral obligation on bbc studios part either but just what they think is most profitable and what would be best PR wise.) I honestly think most people, certainly those high up, don’t really give a shit about Barrowman past actions and would happily work with him. No one like bbc, big finish, itv even have directly called him out and even in the cancellations of his appearances again his behaviour wasn’t referenced which usually happens when someone is “cancelled” there will be official statements calling the behaviours out.
I wouldn’t expect it any time soon but its pretty clear to me that theres a want to release it. If a replacement release does materialise (and they say its the replacement for absent friends) then the odds will be less likely but theres still a high chance that the cds will have been pressed considering how late in the game it was cancelled which again would lead to a high interest in releasing it one day. Of course covid may mean the cds are being pressed after release which may have saved them there.
But evennn then, i just can’t see them never releasing it. Like never? Seriously? Never is a long time, longer than anyone can ever imagine. Do people really think that this will never see the light of day? Like i’m not saying we will see it in even the next 18 months but never? It could be released for charity or big finish could have a server leak or one of the participants might leak it or they’ll get a soundalike to read barrowmans lines. So many other options than internally saying they will never release it. Thats a lot of money to loose right out. Saying they don’t have plans to release it at this time, (which is what they have said) still makes the product valuable, if less valuable, just by the potentially of one day releasing it. In a way, it will be no different than the tom bakers that are recorded but not up for preorder. Theres a long time between recording and when it will start bringing in revenue but the recording sessions with tom they do every month are still valuable because if the potentially profit they have to make.
Don’t expect Absent friends to come out soon, but also don’t start treating it as some form of lost media. it will come out when it comes out
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2021 12:31:55 GMT
Ah..okay. Thanks for that. So the option of refund is open to individual purchasers but not the bundle buyers? And I take it they haven't said exactly what the "alternative title" will be? Not as of yet Regards mark687 I thought they did offer partial refunds for the bundles? I’m sure may mate got £9.xy or something like that back from the bundle (obviously you had to email sales team as with the individual purchases as well.)
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Post by thelonecenturion on Aug 31, 2021 12:38:54 GMT
Not as of yet Regards mark687 I thought they did offer partial refunds for the bundles? I’m sure may mate got £9.xy or something like that back from the bundle (obviously you had to email sales team as with the individual purchases as well.) Yep, bundle purchasers can also request refunds.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 31, 2021 12:43:02 GMT
I thought they did offer partial refunds for the bundles? I’m sure may mate got £9.xy or something like that back from the bundle (obviously you had to email sales team as with the individual purchases as well.) Yep, bundle purchasers can also request refunds. Did not know that I'll proceed like i indicated though Regards mark687
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Post by thelonecenturion on Aug 31, 2021 12:45:08 GMT
Yep, bundle purchasers can also request refunds. Did not know that I'll proceed like i indicated though Regards mark687 I think it might be worth enquiring about the 'alternative title' at this point, though, as it still hasn't even been announced.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 31, 2021 13:06:01 GMT
From the evidence we have it seems big finish can’t release absent friends but do want to release absent friends. Which is why they haven’t done an automatic refund like with the steamie. If they could release it, they would. I don’t think the reasons are moral but more bbc studios speculated blockade of the release. (Which i also don’t think is a moral obligation on bbc studios part either but just what they think is most profitable and what would be best PR wise.) I honestly think most people, certainly those high up, don’t really give a shit about Barrowman past actions and would happily work with him. No one like bbc, big finish, itv even have directly called him out and even in the cancellations of his appearances again his behaviour wasn’t referenced which usually happens when someone is “cancelled” there will be official statements calling the behaviours out. I wouldn’t expect it any time soon but its pretty clear to me that theres a want to release it. If a replacement release does materialise (and they say its the replacement for absent friends) then the odds will be less likely but theres still a high chance that the cds will have been pressed considering how late in the game it was cancelled which again would lead to a high interest in releasing it one day. Of course covid may mean the cds are being pressed after release which may have saved them there. But evennn then, i just can’t see them never releasing it. Like never? Seriously? Never is a long time, longer than anyone can ever imagine. Do people really think that this will never see the light of day? Like i’m not saying we will see it in even the next 18 months but never? It could be released for charity or big finish could have a server leak or one of the participants might leak it or they’ll get a soundalike to read barrowmans lines. So many other options than internally saying they will never release it. Thats a lot of money to loose right out. Saying they don’t have plans to release it at this time, (which is what they have said) still makes the product valuable, if less valuable, just by the potentially of one day releasing it. In a way, it will be no different than the tom bakers that are recorded but not up for preorder. Theres a long time between recording and when it will start bringing in revenue but the recording sessions with tom they do every month are still valuable because if the potentially profit they have to make. Don’t expect Absent friends to come out soon, but also don’t start treating it as some form of lost media. it will come out when it comes out I agree that there is a lack of moral reasoning behind this, especially given the way Bare-All-Man's behaviour was treated by the BBC - a telling off but subsequent inclusion of his behaviour as a piece of fun in the song The Ballad of Russell and Julie. Everyone in high positions seemed to know what he was like but didn't give a damn. Absent Friends will probably be included in the future range, Torchwood: The Lost Stories.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 31, 2021 13:06:24 GMT
Did not know that I'll proceed like i indicated though Regards mark687 I think it might be worth enquiring about the 'alternative title' at this point, though, as it still hasn't even been announced. Thanks for the advice but I'll leave it till if they announce NO 61 onward without the replacement/new Title being offered because until that time all the clearly stated options from BF are viable. Regards mark687
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Post by cwm on Sept 8, 2021 21:25:54 GMT
Seems worth noting that the episode of QI Barrowman recorded prior to... all this is currently scheduled to air for the first time on BBC Two on the 23rd September. It's possible that nobody in scheduling got the memo and it'll be replaced with another episode when they realise. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000zypq
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 8, 2021 22:10:25 GMT
Seems worth noting that the episode of QI Barrowman recorded prior to... all this is currently scheduled to air for the first time on BBC Two on the 23rd September. It's possible that nobody in scheduling got the memo and it'll be replaced with another episode when they realise. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000zypqThanks for the warning. I usually watch this show but if the vile Bare-All-Man is on it I will not watch.
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Post by melkur on Sept 12, 2021 23:39:04 GMT
Seems worth noting that the episode of QI Barrowman recorded prior to... all this is currently scheduled to air for the first time on BBC Two on the 23rd September. It's possible that nobody in scheduling got the memo and it'll be replaced with another episode when they realise. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000zypqTechnically off-topic, but I was in the virtual-audience for this week's episode (the 16th)
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Post by pawntake on Sept 13, 2021 14:25:18 GMT
Seems worth noting that the episode of QI Barrowman recorded prior to... all this is currently scheduled to air for the first time on BBC Two on the 23rd September. It's possible that nobody in scheduling got the memo and it'll be replaced with another episode when they realise. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000zypqThanks for the warning. I usually watch this show but if the vile Bare-All-Man is on it I will not watch. Perhaps Bare-All-Man will be replaced by Jokerman? Perhaps Bare- All-Man is Jokerman? Who knows? But it sure is time this thread had some more music!
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 13, 2021 14:37:26 GMT
Thanks for the warning. I usually watch this show but if the vile Bare-All-Man is on it I will not watch. Perhaps Bare-All-Man will be replaced by Jokerman? Perhaps Bare- All-Man is Jokerman? Who knows? But it sure is time this thread had some more music! What has an old Bob Dylan song with religious connotations got to do with a disgraced perverted actor? Unless you think Bare-All-Man sees himself as a persecuted christ like figure which would not surprise me.
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