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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 13:59:01 GMT
I was reminded of Noel being asked why Mickey wasn't on BF and him saying he had no idea why he hadn't been asked given both his Doctors and all the companions of that era have. I guess when it was said that among the industry his behaviour had become an increasingly open secret...BF knew then. That would certainly explain it as on paper there would have been use for Mickey in the 9th and 10th Doctor Chronicles, the 10DAs, Short Trips and I'm sure he could theoretically have popped up in Torchwood, River, UNIT, Lady Christina et al. Not much chance of that happening! Mickey The Idiot, indeed. There'd be scant reason not to give Noel a call, all things being equal. So I've little doubt either BF knew, or were made aware. Bruno Langley/Adam pleaded guilty to two charges of sexual assault in 2017 as well, after doing his BF return in the 9th Doctor Chronicles. Just as well Chris doesn't want his BF material set during Series 1 given literally all 3 of the male companions have been caught up in this kind of horrible stuff to varying extents. I would say the only BF release where Mickey is particularly notable by his absence is The Dimension Cannon. I would be wary about jumping to conclusions that BF definitely knew just because he didn't turn up in Lady Christina or do a Short Trip, especially when we're talking about a pretty in-demand actor and director. My point wasn't "Mickey felt conspicous by his absence at all. If they knew *and "open secret" is the phrase numerous women have used* then they wouldn't have written anything with the character in mind in the first place. So he, by default, wouldn't feel oddly absent. He was never even approached. Given BF have approached everyone from Matt Smith to one and dones like the characters from A Christmas Carol and The Doctor, The Widow And The Wardrobe..it would seem a stretch no-one had the notion to reach out for 5 years. Especially given he's someone who did BF before. They've hired plenty of in-demand actors and creatives - but Noel said he was never even contacted. That would be quite a coincidence given what we know now. They'd reach out to Derek Jacobi, John Hurt or Michael Palin but not Noel/his agent? Even just to sound him out? Doesn't seem quite right.
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Post by cwm on May 14, 2021 14:28:09 GMT
BF didn't approach Bernard Cribbins until James Goss was writing a 10DA with Sylvia and RTD suggested they try and get Wilf in too. It had never occurred to them they could get Cribbins before then.
I don't understand why it doesn't seem quite right that BF approached Michael Palin and Derek Jacobi but not Noel. There's no logical link there. (And I believe the process that led to Hurt coming on board was at least partly to do with Hurt himself, since he was interested in work he could do whilst recuperating from cancer.) And I don't think we can say with certainty that Noel was never even approached -- it's entirely possible BF made a request to his agent which was never passed on and Noel never heard about it.
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Post by theillusiveman on May 14, 2021 14:30:52 GMT
BF didn't approach Bernard Cribbins until James Goss was writing a 10DA with Sylvia and RTD suggested they try and get Wilf in too. It had never occurred to them they could get Cribbins before then. I don't understand why it doesn't seem quite right that BF approached Michael Palin and Derek Jacobi but not Noel. There's no logical link there. (And I believe the process that led to Hurt coming on board was at least partly to do with Hurt himself, since he was interested in work he could do whilst recuperating from cancer.) And I don't think we can say with certainty that Noel was never even approached -- it's entirely possible BF made a request to his agent which was never passed on and Noel never heard about it. But Cribbins had been in Blood of The Daleks back in 2007 so i guess it didnt occur to them to have him back as Wilf
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 14, 2021 14:41:53 GMT
BF didn't approach Bernard Cribbins until James Goss was writing a 10DA with Sylvia and RTD suggested they try and get Wilf in too. It had never occurred to them they could get Cribbins before then. I don't understand why it doesn't seem quite right that BF approached Michael Palin and Derek Jacobi but not Noel. There's no logical link there. (And I believe the process that led to Hurt coming on board was at least partly to do with Hurt himself, since he was interested in work he could do whilst recuperating from cancer.) And I don't think we can say with certainty that Noel was never even approached -- it's entirely possible BF made a request to his agent which was never passed on and Noel never heard about it. Tbh I thought Noel had moved on with his career making his own films etc & maybe wasn't interested in doing audio drama for a character he played a few years ago, or maybe that's what hisbagent thought not passing on requests from BF.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 14:52:31 GMT
BF didn't approach Bernard Cribbins until James Goss was writing a 10DA with Sylvia and RTD suggested they try and get Wilf in too. It had never occurred to them they could get Cribbins before then. I don't understand why it doesn't seem quite right that BF approached Michael Palin and Derek Jacobi but not Noel. There's no logical link there. (And I believe the process that led to Hurt coming on board was at least partly to do with Hurt himself, since he was interested in work he could do whilst recuperating from cancer.) And I don't think we can say with certainty that Noel was never even approached -- it's entirely possible BF made a request to his agent which was never passed on and Noel never heard about it. You cited him being a busy and succesful talent as a reason they might not have been in touch with him rather than knowing about the accusations (again "open secret" is not my words) so the logical link is they're bigger, busy, successful names and BF got in touch with them without thinking it would be an issue. And Noel said he wasn't approached and wondered why. His agent could have held up any offer without telling him but I'd go with Occam's Razor - he didn't hear because he wasn't asked. And using the same razor (before it gets blunt) when BF have used Clive, Adam and many other much more minor characters than Mickey, it would be strange not to have thought of Mickey at any juncture. He was a part of two Doctor's eras, has a relationship with the leader of Torchwood and was there in the first and last eps of the entire RTD era. It'd be a hell of an oversight. As you say, Wilf would be an omission too..but Bernard did get called. Mickey's story - taking the actor out of it - is bigger than Wilf's. You could in theory slot Mickey in to loads of places given the character ends up walking away with Jack, then fighting alien threats with Martha, and with a whole backstory on another Earth. Wilf..not so much. THere's a lot more narrative potential with Mickey. So again..it seems more likely to me that IF this was an open secret (and I'm not going to call these women liars) that BF knew, or found out. I don't expect either of us will be able to say anything with absolute certainty but it just seems the most likely explanation for his absence, without having to imagine his agent passing without telling him.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 14:55:02 GMT
BF didn't approach Bernard Cribbins until James Goss was writing a 10DA with Sylvia and RTD suggested they try and get Wilf in too. It had never occurred to them they could get Cribbins before then. I don't understand why it doesn't seem quite right that BF approached Michael Palin and Derek Jacobi but not Noel. There's no logical link there. (And I believe the process that led to Hurt coming on board was at least partly to do with Hurt himself, since he was interested in work he could do whilst recuperating from cancer.) And I don't think we can say with certainty that Noel was never even approached -- it's entirely possible BF made a request to his agent which was never passed on and Noel never heard about it. Tbh I thought Noel had moved on with his career making his own films etc & maybe wasn't interested in doing audio drama for a character he played a few years ago, or maybe that's what hisbagent thought not passing on requests from BF. Certainly when he was asked on Twitter (and it'll be on here somewhere given someone posts everything!) he seemed to wonder why he hadn't been asked. Either way...I don't imagine his agent will be in a position to pass much onto him this weather...
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Post by coreywt on May 14, 2021 15:07:28 GMT
Just got the BF email that Absent Friends is pulled with no current plans to release it.
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Post by thelonecenturion on May 14, 2021 15:08:13 GMT
Well, Absent Friends has been pulled from the release schedule. From an email from BF:
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Post by mark687 on May 14, 2021 15:09:45 GMT
Tbh I thought Noel had moved on with his career making his own films etc & maybe wasn't interested in doing audio drama for a character he played a few years ago, or maybe that's what hisbagent thought not passing on requests from BF. Certainly when he was asked on Twitter (and it'll be on here somewhere given someone posts everything!) he seemed to wonder why he hadn't been asked. Either way...I don't imagine his agent will be in a position to pass much onto him this weather... That was different then to his response a few years back on Twitter when asked the response was "Don't associate me with companies I'm not currently associated with" Regards mark687
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 15:16:44 GMT
What a waste
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 15:17:27 GMT
Certainly when he was asked on Twitter (and it'll be on here somewhere given someone posts everything!) he seemed to wonder why he hadn't been asked. Either way...I don't imagine his agent will be in a position to pass much onto him this weather... That was different then to his response a few years back on Twitter when asked the response was "Don't associate me with companies I'm not currently associated with" Regards mark687 I'm presuming "Are you coming back to Doctor Who?" and "When will you do a Big Finish?" are not questions these guys and gals only get once every so often! Though that itself is an interesting response from him. Why would he have issues being associated with BF, even just being asked if he's going to do any? Noel's story, I suspect, with the more pieces that you can put together is deeper and maybe darker than we know - or want to know. Nina-Toussaint White coming out showed it was certainly not just the 20 women. She's 21...I can't imagine that the number stops there.
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Post by mark687 on May 14, 2021 15:23:39 GMT
That was different then to his response a few years back on Twitter when asked the response was "Don't associate me with companies I'm not currently associated with" Regards mark687 I'm presuming "Are you coming back to Doctor Who?" and "When will you do a Big Finish?" are not questions these guys and gals only get once every so often! Though that itself is an interesting response from him. Why would he have issues being associated with BF, even just being asked if he's going to do any? No specifically BF Anyway Wrong Call made RE Absent Friends way to give themselves a Headache on a Week they should be at their most triumphant Where's the acknowledgement of Customer's own choice Where does it end Political views from the opposing Mainstream Parties, 1 person offended by a joke, a casual swear in dialog, never work with JB and RTD again . Regards mark687
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 14, 2021 15:29:24 GMT
Just got the BF email that Absent Friends is pulled with no current plans to release it. An error 404 when trying the link to this release. I thought it might just be delayed, but I guess this answers the question as to Barrowman's work with BF going forward. They'll just stop employing him. Although I don't listen to it the Torchwood range seems robust enough to continue without him. I know there were rumours he was going to appear in S13 but I think this was linked to an upcoming comic book appearance which is a bit of a conundrum. Can a comic book version of Captain Jack still exist? Probably...
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Post by coreywt on May 14, 2021 15:37:17 GMT
For a lot of DW fans this might have been the first Torchwood audio they'd buy, probably a big seller for BF. Not anymore.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 14, 2021 15:42:01 GMT
For a lot of DW fans this might have been the first Torchwood audio they'd buy, probably a big seller for BF. Not anymore. Oh well, I guess Big Finish & Barrowman are now just...Absent Friends.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 15:42:54 GMT
For a lot of DW fans this might have been the first Torchwood audio they'd buy, probably a big seller for BF. Not anymore. What a real, genuine shame. I'd pre-ordered it and was looking forward to it. The Tenth Doctor in a Torchwood audio? Who wouldn't look forward to that. I respect the BF's decision, made in difficult circumstances, and given the attention John Barrowman has been receiving of late, perhaps it was inevitable. There's more I'm tempted to say, but it's probably best to leave it at that. Sad times.
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Post by mark687 on May 14, 2021 15:43:21 GMT
For a lot of DW fans this might have been the first Torchwood audio they'd buy, probably a big seller for BF. Not anymore. Oh well, I guess Big Finish & Barrowman are now just...Absent Friends. Really! Regards mark687
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Post by grinch on May 14, 2021 15:50:14 GMT
A damn shame in my opinion.
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Post by grinch on May 14, 2021 15:54:45 GMT
For a lot of DW fans this might have been the first Torchwood audio they'd buy, probably a big seller for BF. Not anymore. What a real, genuine shame. I'd pre-ordered it and was looking forward to it. The Tenth Doctor in a Torchwood audio? Who wouldn't look forward to that. I respect the BF's decision, made in difficult circumstances, and given the attention John Barrowman has been receiving of late, perhaps it was inevitable. There's more I'm tempted to say, but it's probably best to leave it at that. Sad times. Does make you think whether it was solely Big Finish’s decision to give him the boot or if one of the head honchos at the Beeb decided to step in and advised them to delay the release. Then again, I have virtually no idea on how much creative control and authority the BBC have when it comes to Big Finish so I could just be talking out of my backside.
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Post by zakkers on May 14, 2021 15:55:13 GMT
Shame about the audio, but given the reports of Barrowman's behaviour after he says he apologised it's understandable. Hopefully Absent Friends can be reworked so we still get 10 in Torchwood. Perhaps replacing Jack with someone else from the team. That actually sounds a lot more appealing to me anyway.
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