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Post by shallacatop on May 13, 2021 17:45:19 GMT
I just thought it was quite distanced, as though he felt the need to say something, but it doesn’t say an awful lot at the same time. Almost as though he’s an outsider to things. Perhaps it’s the way I read it and my assumption they have a closer relationship than it seems reading the comments. I'd imagine more than a few people will be a bit mortified if there's convention footage of them laughing it all off! Oh absolutely. And I wouldn’t be too surprised; Gareth David Lloyd doesn’t really condemn Barrowman at all. He just says it was tomfoolery on set. As I say, it seemed an odd set of comments from him, like he felt the need to say something, but also wants to keep his distance. Probably in the event something does emerge that paints him in a bad light!
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 13, 2021 17:47:50 GMT
Barrowman's statement this week: "“With the benefit of hindsight, I understand that upset may have been caused by my exuberant behaviour and I have apologised for this previously,” he said. “Since my apology in November 2008, my understanding and behaviour have also changed.”" Anyone got any evidence he did this same thing on the Miracle Day set in 2010-11? Or the Arrow one over the 2010s? Both have been alleged here but he media certainly haven't disproved his statement that he's been changed since 2008 that I've seen and I don't think any poster has either. Thank you for this informative clip. There's also this behaviour from Arrow. youtu.be/BtWm6dfO33c
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Post by mark687 on May 13, 2021 19:48:41 GMT
Ok who's next then? F Hines for the WP dress incident with the Vicar or him and C Baker for the water incident on set of the 2 Docs (even though N and C's friendship is very dear to both them and their family's) ? Where do you draw the line of what was, is, and will be acceptable?
BTW In case you didn't know both those incidents were discussed on official BBC released Products
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on May 14, 2021 4:37:56 GMT
Ok who's next then? F Hines for the WP dress incident with the Vicar or him and C Baker for the water incident on set of the 2 Docs (even though N and C's friendship is very dear to both them and their family's) ? Where do you draw the line of what was, is, and will be acceptable? BTW In case you didn't know both those incidents were discussed on official BBC released Products Regards mark687 Well... getting your old man out around people and not using it to hang a piss or well ... entertain guests with it is something we can all agree is a bit dodgy. And continuing to use it as a puppet after being told not to is worse. Larking about with a mate, even if that larking about is a bit odd seeming (such as Emma Thompson flashing Stephen Fry) is just that - a mutual agreement for merriment (that would be CB and NB on Two Docs). The practical joke on WP was cruel but also potentially the result of friends larking about. And on rhe extreme end of the spectrum is NC who it is alleged committed actual sexual abuse.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 5:08:52 GMT
Why the hell is it that whenever anyone has a opinion regarding Doctor Who stuff, those who disagree just slam the others. Don't wanna participate, piss off... Like for real, leave personal comments to yourselves, what are we, children?
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Post by theillusiveman on May 14, 2021 6:44:39 GMT
Why the hell is it that whenever anyone has a opinion regarding Doctor Who stuff, those who disagree just slam the others. Don't wanna participate, piss off... Like for real, leave personal comments to yourselves, what are we, children? *Gets off soap box* I guess people are just passionate about their opinions but yeah it shouldn’t resort to below the belt comments but I guess it’s the nature of fandoms
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Post by theillusiveman on May 14, 2021 6:45:50 GMT
Ok who's next then? F Hines for the WP dress incident with the Vicar or him and C Baker for the water incident on set of the 2 Docs (even though N and C's friendship is very dear to both them and their family's) ? Where do you draw the line of what was, is, and will be acceptable? BTW In case you didn't know both those incidents were discussed on official BBC released Products Regards mark687 I heard there was That incident during the rehearsals of the twin dilemma
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Post by Chakoteya on May 14, 2021 8:15:45 GMT
Clarke got dumped quick because he's done so well for himself in the UK with his shows and awards.
Barrowman has worked on misc stuff in the USA (Arrow etc) mostly. His profile is much lower here.
That's probably the reason for the differences in treatment.
IMHO, etc., etc.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 14, 2021 8:31:22 GMT
Clarke got dumped quick because he's done so well for himself in the UK with his shows and awards. Barrowman has worked on misc stuff in the USA (Arrow etc) mostly. His profile is much lower here. That's probably the reason for the differences in treatment. IMHO, etc., etc. Yep, that BAFTA seemed to be the tipping point for Clarke.
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Post by thelonecenturion on May 14, 2021 10:32:22 GMT
Clarke got dumped quick because he's done so well for himself in the UK with his shows and awards. Barrowman has worked on misc stuff in the USA (Arrow etc) mostly. His profile is much lower here. That's probably the reason for the differences in treatment. IMHO, etc., etc. There's also the teeny, tiny matter of Clarke sexually assaulting multiple women and no one accusing Barrowman of anything near that.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 11:09:21 GMT
Clarke got dumped quick because he's done so well for himself in the UK with his shows and awards. Barrowman has worked on misc stuff in the USA (Arrow etc) mostly. His profile is much lower here. That's probably the reason for the differences in treatment. IMHO, etc., etc. There's also the teeny, tiny matter of Clarke sexually assaulting multiple women and no one accusing Barrowman of anything near that. And whilst Barrowman merely exposed himself, Clarke preferred to get young actresses to expose themselves. Including drama students in acting workshops. Something that only emerged following the Guardian investigation.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 11:35:47 GMT
There's also the teeny, tiny matter of Clarke sexually assaulting multiple women and no one accusing Barrowman of anything near that. And whilst Barrowman merely exposed himself, Clarke preferred to get young actresses to expose themselves. Including drama students in acting workshops. Something that only emerged following the Guardian investigation. I was reminded of Noel being asked why Mickey wasn't on BF and him saying he had no idea why he hadn't been asked given both his Doctors and all the companions of that era have. I guess when it was said that among the industry his behaviour had become an increasingly open secret...BF knew then. That would certainly explain it as on paper there would have been use for Mickey in the 9th and 10th Doctor Chronicles, the 10DAs, Short Trips and I'm sure he could theoretically have popped up in Torchwood, River, UNIT, Lady Christina et al. Not much chance of that happening! Mickey The Idiot, indeed. There'd be scant reason not to give Noel a call, all things being equal. So I've little doubt either BF knew, or were made aware. Bruno Langley/Adam pleaded guilty to two charges of sexual assault in 2017 as well, after doing his BF return in the 9th Doctor Chronicles. Just as well Chris doesn't want his BF material set during Series 1 given literally all 3 of the male companions have been caught up in this kind of horrible stuff to varying extents.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 14, 2021 11:41:37 GMT
And whilst Barrowman merely exposed himself, Clarke preferred to get young actresses to expose themselves. Including drama students in acting workshops. Something that only emerged following the Guardian investigation. I was reminded of Noel being asked why Mickey wasn't on BF and him saying he had no idea why he hadn't been asked given both his Doctors and all the companions of that era have. I guess when it was said that among the industry his behaviour had become an increasingly open secret...BF knew then. That would certainly explain it as on paper there would have been use for Mickey in the 9th and 10th Doctor Chronicles, the 10DAs, Short Trips and I'm sure he could theoretically have popped up in Torchwood, River, UNIT, Lady Christina et al. Not much chance of that happening! Mickey The Idiot, indeed. There'd be scant reason not to give Noel a call, all things being equal. So I've little doubt either BF knew, or were made aware. Bruno Langley/Adam pleaded guilty to two charges of sexual assault in 2017 as well, after doing his BF return in the 9th Doctor Chronicles. Just as well Chris doesn't want his BF material set during Series 1 given literally all 3 of the male companions have been caught up in this kind of horrible stuff to varying extents. Yes, I wonder if there was similar reasons for Moffat not casting JB during his time as showrunner.
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Post by antartiks on May 14, 2021 11:45:39 GMT
And to think that Mickey dared compare himself to K9 when he's so much lesser that the Doctor's/Leela's/Romana's best friend.
Shame, I used to like Mickey and now I'll never be able to enjoy his appearances again, given Clarke is a despicable human being.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 14, 2021 11:47:50 GMT
And to think that Mickey dared compare himself to K9 when he's so much lesser that the Doctor's/Leela's/Romana's best friend. Shame, I used to like Mickey and now I'll never be able to enjoy his appearances again, given Clarke is a despicable human being. It's the age old conundrum, separating the artist from the art. A personal decision.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 11:53:36 GMT
And to think that Mickey dared compare himself to K9 when he's so much lesser that the Doctor's/Leela's/Romana's best friend. Shame, I used to like Mickey and now I'll never be able to enjoy his appearances again, given Clarke is a despicable human being. It's the age old conundrum, separating the artist from the art. A personal decision. Yes, Series 1's next rewatch will be an odd one. For years I would watch it and the uncomfortable part was Eccleston's departure and knowing how much of a bad time he has. Now he's back and happier than he ever was in the part and there are more than a few different reasons Series 1 becomes uncomfortable. At least Adam and Mickey never met..that ep wouldn't be seeing many repeats!
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Post by cwm on May 14, 2021 12:04:37 GMT
And whilst Barrowman merely exposed himself, Clarke preferred to get young actresses to expose themselves. Including drama students in acting workshops. Something that only emerged following the Guardian investigation. I was reminded of Noel being asked why Mickey wasn't on BF and him saying he had no idea why he hadn't been asked given both his Doctors and all the companions of that era have. I guess when it was said that among the industry his behaviour had become an increasingly open secret...BF knew then. That would certainly explain it as on paper there would have been use for Mickey in the 9th and 10th Doctor Chronicles, the 10DAs, Short Trips and I'm sure he could theoretically have popped up in Torchwood, River, UNIT, Lady Christina et al. Not much chance of that happening! Mickey The Idiot, indeed. There'd be scant reason not to give Noel a call, all things being equal. So I've little doubt either BF knew, or were made aware. Bruno Langley/Adam pleaded guilty to two charges of sexual assault in 2017 as well, after doing his BF return in the 9th Doctor Chronicles. Just as well Chris doesn't want his BF material set during Series 1 given literally all 3 of the male companions have been caught up in this kind of horrible stuff to varying extents. I would say the only BF release where Mickey is particularly notable by his absence is The Dimension Cannon. I would be wary about jumping to conclusions that BF definitely knew just because he didn't turn up in Lady Christina or do a Short Trip, especially when we're talking about a pretty in-demand actor and director. I was reminded of Noel being asked why Mickey wasn't on BF and him saying he had no idea why he hadn't been asked given both his Doctors and all the companions of that era have. I guess when it was said that among the industry his behaviour had become an increasingly open secret...BF knew then. That would certainly explain it as on paper there would have been use for Mickey in the 9th and 10th Doctor Chronicles, the 10DAs, Short Trips and I'm sure he could theoretically have popped up in Torchwood, River, UNIT, Lady Christina et al. Not much chance of that happening! Mickey The Idiot, indeed. There'd be scant reason not to give Noel a call, all things being equal. So I've little doubt either BF knew, or were made aware. Bruno Langley/Adam pleaded guilty to two charges of sexual assault in 2017 as well, after doing his BF return in the 9th Doctor Chronicles. Just as well Chris doesn't want his BF material set during Series 1 given literally all 3 of the male companions have been caught up in this kind of horrible stuff to varying extents. Yes, I wonder if there was similar reasons for Moffat not casting JB during his time as showrunner. Jack was meant to be in A Good Man Goes to War, but Barrowman was filming Miracle Day at the time.
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Post by theillusiveman on May 14, 2021 12:21:33 GMT
And whilst Barrowman merely exposed himself, Clarke preferred to get young actresses to expose themselves. Including drama students in acting workshops. Something that only emerged following the Guardian investigation. I was reminded of Noel being asked why Mickey wasn't on BF and him saying he had no idea why he hadn't been asked given both his Doctors and all the companions of that era have. I guess when it was said that among the industry his behaviour had become an increasingly open secret...BF knew then. But When Nicholas Briggs was asked back in October 2020 if they would bring back Mickey Smith and Jackson Lake as they are the only RTD Companions not have a big finish appearance (Yes Jackson Lake is a companion), Nick said he would love to have Noel Clarke back as he was a good mate of his so it doesn't add up unless Nick was lying
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 14, 2021 13:17:54 GMT
I was reminded of Noel being asked why Mickey wasn't on BF and him saying he had no idea why he hadn't been asked given both his Doctors and all the companions of that era have. I guess when it was said that among the industry his behaviour had become an increasingly open secret...BF knew then. That would certainly explain it as on paper there would have been use for Mickey in the 9th and 10th Doctor Chronicles, the 10DAs, Short Trips and I'm sure he could theoretically have popped up in Torchwood, River, UNIT, Lady Christina et al. Not much chance of that happening! Mickey The Idiot, indeed. There'd be scant reason not to give Noel a call, all things being equal. So I've little doubt either BF knew, or were made aware. Bruno Langley/Adam pleaded guilty to two charges of sexual assault in 2017 as well, after doing his BF return in the 9th Doctor Chronicles. Just as well Chris doesn't want his BF material set during Series 1 given literally all 3 of the male companions have been caught up in this kind of horrible stuff to varying extents. I would say the only BF release where Mickey is particularly notable by his absence is The Dimension Cannon. I would be wary about jumping to conclusions that BF definitely knew just because he didn't turn up in Lady Christina or do a Short Trip, especially when we're talking about a pretty in-demand actor and director. Yes, I wonder if there was similar reasons for Moffat not casting JB during his time as showrunner. Jack was meant to be in A Good Man Goes to War, but Barrowman was filming Miracle Day at the time. ...& getting his penis out again.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 13:49:55 GMT
I am surprised none of the female cast decided to play 'whack-a-mole' with Barrowman. They could have hit the problem right on the head.
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