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Post by glutamodo on Oct 14, 2015 2:03:59 GMT
Yeah, as I listened to Eps 3 and 4 today, I also started to have that same thought that maybe the "Coalition" is just the Eleven's cranium full of past lives... but I was glad to hear the hints of an uber-story right at the end. Have not listened to the extras yet.
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Post by pawntake on Oct 14, 2015 6:26:45 GMT
I enjoyed this a lot, though I thought the first two stories were stronger than the latter two. All still enjoyable, though. I am wondering what happened to that River cameo... That's supposed to be in DC2, right? Is it just a cameo? Surely not!? |
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Post by Tony Jones on Oct 14, 2015 6:42:09 GMT
I thought it was a full part
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Post by mrperson on Oct 14, 2015 13:55:46 GMT
Well that was excellent. I had intended to listen to one episode per day, but ended up going through the lot in one go.
I do find it a tad odd that these are being released in box sets when the main problem raised in the box set isn't resolved within it.
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Post by acousticwolf on Oct 14, 2015 13:57:00 GMT
Well that was excellent. I had intended to listen to one episode per day, but ended up going through the lot in one go. I do find it a tad odd that these are being released in box sets when the main problem raised in the box set isn't resolved within it. It's a cunning plan to make sure you buy them all ... Cheers Tony |
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Post by jasonward on Oct 14, 2015 14:18:10 GMT
Well that was excellent. I had intended to listen to one episode per day, but ended up going through the lot in one go. I do find it a tad odd that these are being released in box sets when the main problem raised in the box set isn't resolved within it. Clearly BF see box sets as better way to make sales. I don't like them at all, much as totally loved these stories, I would have preferred 4 releases over 4 months. |
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Post by david on Oct 14, 2015 14:23:45 GMT
They've been prtty clear with DC that its very much a 16 part story that just happens to be released in 4 chunks. On the extras, Ken and David talk about it being the first time they've set out to do such a lengthy ongoing narrative, since Dark yes was never supposed to be 4 sets. The last line on the extras also hints what's next  Anyway, my boxset arrived today! Anyone else? |
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Post by mrperson on Oct 14, 2015 14:27:14 GMT
Well that was excellent. I had intended to listen to one episode per day, but ended up going through the lot in one go. I do find it a tad odd that these are being released in box sets when the main problem raised in the box set isn't resolved within it. Clearly BF see box sets as better way to make sales. I don't like them at all, much as totally loved these stories, I would have preferred 4 releases over 4 months. Must be it. I prefer box sets if the arc is self-contained like DE1. This instead felt like the first four episodes in a long season w/ some arcs in it. But whatever, I'd buy either way. |
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Post by david on Oct 14, 2015 14:49:11 GMT
Well that was excellent. I had intended to listen to one episode per day, but ended up going through the lot in one go. I do find it a tad odd that these are being released in box sets when the main problem raised in the box set isn't resolved within it. Clearly BF see box sets as better way to make sales. I don't like them at all, much as totally loved these stories, I would have preferred 4 releases over 4 months. I'm loving the era of the boxset - especially since there's so much coming these days. Purely looking at my wallet - the price per story of Doom Coaltion series on pre-order is £5. We'd never get it that low for an ongoing monthly series - as indeed we don't with teh 4DAs where the stories are 11 quid each. Subbing to the 4DAs is £8.75 a disc. It's obviously a lot easier for BF to discount boxsets since they're getting more off you upfront. Since I'm getting McGann stories at nearly half the price of Tom Baker ones..I'm not going to advocate leaving the boxset model. Every penny helps when BF are deluging us with ranges  |
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Post by david on Oct 14, 2015 14:57:32 GMT
Clearly BF see box sets as better way to make sales. I don't like them at all, much as totally loved these stories, I would have preferred 4 releases over 4 months. Must be it. I prefer box sets if the arc is self-contained like DE1. This instead felt like the first four episodes in a long season w/ some arcs in it. But whatever, I'd buy either way. It's designed to be exactly "the first four episodes in a long season w/ some arcs in it". Ken and David haven't been hiding that in Vortex or the podcast. Dark Eyes 1 was originaly a standalone with no sequels planned. It sold really well and got some awards and attention so that standalone suddenly became a starting point. DE2-4 never quite gelled for me bcause of that. They had to shoe-horn in the Eyes motif every set and they tried very hard to cover up the fact their new companion just couldn't make it to more than 1 or 2 days recording so Ruth Bradley is the new companion but dissapears for hours at a time . It feels cobbled together because it really was. Doom Coaltion has been designed from the first minute to be a 16-parter. It doesn't mean it'll be good (just as Dark Eyes 2-4 aren't all bad just because they were hastily arranged - there's great stuff there) but it will hopefully be a cohesive whole. |
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Post by jasonward on Oct 14, 2015 15:03:57 GMT
Whilst boxset will save on postage, but as I'm a download only customer that doesn't count, I can't see how they cost less over time, or as you say because they get more money off us upfront, that certainly isn't the case for me or I guess any subscriber, I'm currently subscribed to the main range till the end of BF's current licence period and paid £379 for the pleasure, you'd get a lot of boxsets for that.
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Post by david on Oct 14, 2015 15:26:59 GMT
Whilst boxset will save on postage, but as I'm a download only customer that doesn't count, I can't see how they cost less over time, or as you say because they get more money off us upfront, that certainly isn't the case for me or I guess any subscriber Yes it is. Cearly and demonstrably. You said you'd rather he went to monthly ongoing again.I said there's no way that would be as cheap as £5. You seemed to find fault with that. The 4DAs - the closest comparison - are £8.12 a story (for download subs) per story. Even McGann's previous Lucie Miller series was £8 each story on dowlnoad for subs. We've never had full cast Who stories as cheap - as widely affordable - as they are in the £20 boxset model - for CD OR download. |
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Post by jasonward on Oct 14, 2015 15:29:35 GMT
Indeed, but what I was commenting on was the possible justification for this that you posted, saying that boxsets garner more money upfront, I'm saying I don't think so, I see no reason why boxsets should be cheaper per hour of output than anything else.
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Post by david on Oct 14, 2015 15:41:37 GMT
Indeed, but what I was commenting on was the possible justification for this that you posted, saying that boxsets garner more money upfront, I'm saying I don't think so, I see no reason why boxsets should be cheaper per hour of output than anything else. "Who knows" is the real answer. Recurring casts, fewers recording days, less overheads? Any, all or none maybe My point is...while they can put out these stories for that price, I'll keep supporting the £20 boxset model. Benny's New Adventures box started out as £35 fr Series 1 and went down to £20 for Series 2 despite having the same amunt of content. WHo can honestly say why without knowing the business strategy or Jason Haigh Ellery's thoughts as the money man? Now, if I were to play Devil's Advocate I'd ask why then, if the boxset model is presumably cheaper....is Phil Hinchcliffe's boxset such a sky high price? |
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Post by david on Oct 14, 2015 15:43:33 GMT
Have read the liners hoping for a glimpse of Boxset 2 info (the DE4 liners are where Doom Coaltion and Helen Sinclair were first announced after all) - but nothing this time.  |
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Post by Tony Jones on Oct 14, 2015 15:46:36 GMT
Sometimes it is the licence price on top of production, sometimes I'm sure it's what they think they can make!
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Post by brians on Oct 14, 2015 16:00:49 GMT
I analyse prices really carefully due to having a large back catalogue to catch up on. The £20 boxset is a middle of the road price - comparable to the £40 bundle price for the early adventures. a 12 month subscription works out about 10% cheaper per disc ( download price). Single disc releases are generally more expensive, with Tom Baker material being about the worst value. I think they're trying a lot of different models to appeal to different buying patterns and test out response rates, but the £20 box set is starting to feel like the go-to model
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Post by Tony Jones on Oct 14, 2015 16:21:58 GMT
There seems to be a trend for Tom titles to be dearer. I've certainly spotted the prevalence of the £20 set
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Post by pawntake on Oct 14, 2015 20:30:17 GMT
Clearly BF see box sets as better way to make sales. I don't like them at all, much as totally loved these stories, I would have preferred 4 releases over 4 months. I'm loving the era of the boxset - especially since there's so much coming these days. Purely looking at my wallet - the price per story of Doom Coaltion series on pre-order is £5. We'd never get it that low for an ongoing monthly series - as indeed we don't with teh 4DAs where the stories are 11 quid each. Subbing to the 4DAs is £8.75 a disc. It's obviously a lot easier for BF to discount boxsets since they're getting more off you upfront. Since I'm getting McGann stories at nearly half the price of Tom Baker ones..I'm not going to advocate leaving the boxset model. Every penny helps when BF are deluging us with ranges Sung to the theme of "Rawhide" (For those of us who remember)
Movin Movin Movin Keep those BOXSETS movin Though some subscribers are disaprovin BOXSETS!! Don't try to understand em Just rope,throw,and purchase em Soon we ll be listening high, and wide Big Finish is calculatin Your BOXSETS will be waitin Be waitin at the end of YOUR ride!!
Move em on! Head em up! Head em up! Move em on! Move em on! Head em up! BOXSETSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
I love Boxsets(Good value for money) 
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Post by mrperson on Oct 14, 2015 21:16:18 GMT
Must be it. I prefer box sets if the arc is self-contained like DE1. This instead felt like the first four episodes in a long season w/ some arcs in it. But whatever, I'd buy either way. It's designed to be exactly "the first four episodes in a long season w/ some arcs in it". Ken and David haven't been hiding that in Vortex or the podcast. Dark Eyes 1 was originaly a standalone with no sequels planned. It sold really well and got some awards and attention so that standalone suddenly became a starting point. DE2-4 never quite gelled for me bcause of that. They had to shoe-horn in the Eyes motif every set and they tried very hard to cover up the fact their new companion just couldn't make it to more than 1 or 2 days recording so Ruth Bradley is the new companion but dissapears for hours at a time . It feels cobbled together because it really was. Doom Coaltion has been designed from the first minute to be a 16-parter. It doesn't mean it'll be good (just as Dark Eyes 2-4 aren't all bad just because they were hastily arranged - there's great stuff there) but it will hopefully be a cohesive whole. Ah, good to hear. I try avoiding reading too much about up and coming releases, so I wan't aware of what the plan was for all of DC. (Good point about the price) |
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