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Post by omega on Oct 14, 2015 22:21:39 GMT
Now, if I were to play Devil's Advocate I'd ask why then, if the boxset model is presumably cheaper....is Phil Hinchcliffe's boxset such a sky high price?  There's more material (five jewel cases, six discs), larger cast list, had to record at a different studio? |
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Post by Shiny on Oct 14, 2015 22:55:36 GMT
I just finished this boxset and I really enjoyed it. I particularly liked John Dorney's The Red Lady.
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Post by elkawho on Oct 14, 2015 23:02:17 GMT
I just finished it for the second time. I really loved it.
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Post by david on Oct 14, 2015 23:10:58 GMT
Now, if I were to play Devil's Advocate I'd ask why then, if the boxset model is presumably cheaper....is Phil Hinchcliffe's boxset such a sky high price? There's more material (five jewel cases, six discs), larger cast list, had to record at a different studio? That's only one more disc than an average McGann box but its nearly triple the twice so it's surely not the amount of material. The cast lists don't look trribly bigger so I don't see it being that. It was recorded the same place Tom's others are so there's no different studio... I'm not meaning to be flippant - I'm really just outlining how it seems like there's been no consistency with the pricing of boxsets. We know when BF release a 2 disc set it will be £14.99 RRP. When it's a boxset? Seems like there's no way of knowing. I suspect what Tony said earlier is right...they'll charge what they think they can get. And hey, I bet Hinchcliffe got a pretty payday for it Worth noting that we've not got any deluxe packaging or Hinchcliffe priced releases coming out at all in the future that we know of. Everything planned out just now is jewel cased. None of the 10,000 unit limited sets for example. Maybe BF have decided to sell cheaperall round and thus - hopefully - sell more. Makes sense with what sounds like a deluge of newbies coming on board for the new-Who ranges. |
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Post by constonks on Oct 15, 2015 0:07:30 GMT
I don't mind the four-boxset-season idea when compared to Doomco being a monthly range but then again I like watching or listening to a few episodes of something in a row more than every week/month. It also works because it means we aren't just getting four-hour four-parters ad nauseum. The only real downside of the boxset model is that a quarter of the stories in the collection are setup and at least a quarter of the stories are big epic conclusions. I'd be fine if Doomco boxes didn't all end on big important notes, as long as the overall story flows well.
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Post by elkawho on Oct 15, 2015 1:23:52 GMT
One of the things that made me so happy about this set was the tone of it. So many of us have been saying that we would like to see Eight move away from the dark tone that was set up in Lucie Miller/ To The Death and expanded upon in Dark Eyes. And while he's not quite jumping up and down about his shoes, I felt that Eight was very much the hopeful, adventure loving Doctor we've been wanting.
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Post by brians on Oct 15, 2015 5:35:26 GMT
There's more material (five jewel cases, six discs), larger cast list, had to record at a different studio? That's only one more disc than an average McGann box but its nearly triple the twice so it's surely not the amount of material. The cast lists don't look trribly bigger so I don't see it being that. It was recorded the same place Tom's others are so there's no different studio... I'm not meaning to be flippant - I'm really just outlining how it seems like there's been no consistency with the pricing of boxsets. We know when BF release a 2 disc set it will be £14.99 RRP. When it's a boxset? Seems like there's no way of knowing. I suspect what Tony said earlier is right...they'll charge what they think they can get. And hey, I bet Hinchcliffe got a pretty payday for it Worth noting that we've not got any deluxe packaging or Hinchcliffe priced releases coming out at all in the future that we know of. Everything planned out just now is jewel cased. None of the 10,000 unit limited sets for example. Maybe BF have decided to sell cheaperall round and thus - hopefully - sell more. Makes sense with what sounds like a deluge of newbies coming on board for the new-Who ranges. The only differentiator is the involvement of Hinchcliffe. I'm guessing his fee must have been humongous |
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Post by pawntake on Oct 15, 2015 7:18:38 GMT
If they dropped the price of "The Prisoner" It would sell like "Hot Cakes" (Just like The New Aventures of Benny)
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Post by omega on Oct 15, 2015 8:00:39 GMT
That's only one more disc than an average McGann box but its nearly triple the twice so it's surely not the amount of material. The cast lists don't look trribly bigger so I don't see it being that. It was recorded the same place Tom's others are so there's no different studio... I'm not meaning to be flippant - I'm really just outlining how it seems like there's been no consistency with the pricing of boxsets. We know when BF release a 2 disc set it will be £14.99 RRP. When it's a boxset? Seems like there's no way of knowing. I suspect what Tony said earlier is right...they'll charge what they think they can get. And hey, I bet Hinchcliffe got a pretty payday for it Worth noting that we've not got any deluxe packaging or Hinchcliffe priced releases coming out at all in the future that we know of. Everything planned out just now is jewel cased. None of the 10,000 unit limited sets for example. Maybe BF have decided to sell cheaperall round and thus - hopefully - sell more. Makes sense with what sounds like a deluge of newbies coming on board for the new-Who ranges. The only differentiator is the involvement of Hinchcliffe. I'm guessing his fee must have been humongous The Fourth Doctor Lost Stories Box Set is also unusually expensive (125 NZ dollars for the CD each for this and PHP). Despite being released under the Lost Stories range it doesn't feature inlay artwork (same with the First Doctor Box Set and Lords of the Red Planet). Philip Hinchcliffe also came up with a story idea that was used for that release as well though. Both the Fourth Doctor Box Sets are really ones best bought at sale prices. The regular Philip Hinchcliffe Presents CD price is more than the big deluxe books! |
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Post by Timelord007 on Oct 15, 2015 8:07:16 GMT
Big Finishes pricing structure is like my brain...very confusing.
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Post by kimalysong on Oct 15, 2015 15:59:17 GMT
Finally finished I thought the first two stories were excellent...the 2nd two less so (although there were still parts I enjoyed).
I also enjoy Helen as a new addition to the team. So now the Doctor has two intelligent working women as companions. I really like that. But I am a bit worried about their ultimate fate.
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Post by Ela on Oct 15, 2015 18:00:09 GMT
Struggling a bit to hear some of the quieter voices in The Eleven  . It might just be my ears ... Cheers Tony It's not just you. It was hard for me to hear some of the quieter parts throughout all four stories. |
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Post by Digi on Oct 16, 2015 1:35:22 GMT
Wow, my boxset showed up in the mail today (in Canada!) That has to be some kind of record, as far as my orders go.
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Post by Tony Jones on Oct 16, 2015 9:28:44 GMT
Some thoughts from me here |
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Post by Timelord007 on Oct 17, 2015 9:05:44 GMT
Great review Tony, i loved this release its a rollercoaster ride of excitement & great adventure, Paul McGann is magnificent as ever who smashes this out the park.
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Post by kfbate on Oct 17, 2015 14:00:14 GMT
I have a question or should I say thought, apologies if this has been asked before, in my head does the 11, speak in the voice of each of the other incarnations, but remain as he is, or does his physical appearance actually sort of metamorphoses in that sort of shaking head blurred lines thing, moving between each incarnation of his former selves. I have been mulling over the two scenarios in my mind for the last couple of days since listening to this release. I would personally like to think that his face actually changes each time one of the former takes a grip.
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Post by glutamodo on Oct 17, 2015 16:41:35 GMT
Personally, I think the expression changes and contorts, but no blurry morphing things going on.
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Post by elgranto on Oct 18, 2015 5:07:32 GMT
The Eleven and The Red Lady were brilliant. The other two were... alright I guess. I would have enjoyed The Satanic Mill far more if it was either Liv or Helen whose life was on the line, rather than the Doctor. Or better yet, someone who's survival is not a guarantee at all (knowing that Liv and Helen are in the next boxset kills most of the dramatic tension for me). The writers at BF should, as a rule of thumb, avoid centering stories around the possibility of a character's death when we know that the character will ultimately survive... especially when it's the Doctor in a past incarnation. Like I said, there's little if any tension in doing this.
On the up side, Paul McGann is on fire here! There's a real vigor in his performance I can't recall encountering before. And Mark Bonnar made for a fantastic villain, even if he was squandered a bit in the end. I'd love to have more of the Eleven in the next box set.
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Post by mbt66 on Oct 18, 2015 10:24:23 GMT
Having now listened to all the stories in the boxset and read thIs thread I think I agree with the majority.
All though it's called Doom Coalition the Doctor did appear a lot lighter than in Dark Eyes.
The Eleven is a wonderful new villain and Mark Bonnar is incredible playing all Eleven! I wonder if he did all those voices live or had to record them separately?
The first two stories are brilliant which means the second two suffer a bit in comparison. I wonder who is writing the stories in the next box set?
The whole concept of The Red Lady was inspired and worked so well audio with the resolution to the threat! I wonder what Mr Dorney will do next?
And finally I found the Satan Mill a bit difficult to workout exactly what was going on. Exasperated by my inability to differentiate between the voices of the two companions. But I haven't seen anyone else complain about that, so it was probably a side effect of my listening to these stories in the car. However I never had any doubt about who was speaking when Molly was around!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 22:40:18 GMT
I really enjoyed The Doom Coliation - I did - I did - but did anyone else feel that The Eleven was underutlised? I understand wanting to leave us with more and that after the darkness of Dark Eyes and the opening episode, that the succeding two episodes were there to reassure listeners that this is still Doctor Who, but The Painted Lady (which I particularly loved) and The Gaileo Trap were only tangibly linked to the main tale and didn't feature. For such a hyped up heavy hitter new additon to the Doctor Who universe, this was a bit disappointing.
But...The Eleven. What a villian and clearly one who leaves enough of an impression on our favourite Time Lord to forge his Tenth incarnation - and The Eight is such a tragic character.
I do love Liv's arc here: How is she going to leave the TARDIS?
And what a finale: haunting, dark and perfectly encaspulating the future which will encircle Eight.
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