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Post by bonehead on Nov 7, 2022 12:03:20 GMT
Having seen Levene be a totally creepy, nasty piece of work at a convention, I couldn't care less if he never worked again regardless of his politics. I have the same view / experience for both Levene & Franklin. I don’t think the audios miss them and I wouldn’t want anyone enduring any hassle as a result of hiring them further, whether that be for the team recording or criticism following an announcement they’re involved in a release. I actually think the 3DAs do miss Levene and Franklin. They were a staple part of Jon Pertwee's time on the show, and they are originals. I have no clue how they have acted at conventions - perhaps such information would change my mind - but I would be really sad if they had been 'cancelled' by BF (I'm pretty sure Franklin's absence is health related, but I've noticed a lack of Benton recently too). I know there was some upset after Levene's initial Companion Chronicle story, but I thought that had been well and truly resolved. We're none of us perfect, and I'm not making excuses but really, are we only allowed to hear from actors who have 100% blemish-free existences? I understand William Hartnell had some questionable personal opinions - if he still lived, would we be denied any First Doctor stories because of that?
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Post by kipperserver on Nov 7, 2022 12:09:33 GMT
I'm 99% concinced that BF only "cancel" actos who bring them into disreptue. What James Dreyfus never mentions is just how awful and rude he was to people on Twitter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 13:00:05 GMT
Richard Franklin was literally a candidate for UKIP at a General Election so I wouldn't just go by headlines. Having seen Levene be a totally creepy, nasty piece of work at a convention, I couldn't care less if he never worked again regardless of his politics. There was the story for ages about him moaning about the cleanliness of BF's studios but he did come back after that. I thought the reason Richard wasn’t doing BF anymore was that his health was declining. I’m not really sure what to make of this situation. Sorry, you picked me up wrong. If BF didn't want anyone farther right than a bit old school Tory, then Richard standing in a GE for UKIP woulda been something of an issue, so it's evidence to say I don't believe it about Levene. There are PLENTY of other reasons why he would not be someone people want around!
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Post by dorney on Nov 7, 2022 13:14:43 GMT
A random poster on a fb big finish group It’s weird I thought that the reason Levine wasn’t doing many audios Was due to looking after a family member during the lockdowns Surprised there wasn’t more details I think you've answered your own original post - I wouldn't worry too much about anything said by "a random poster on a fb big finish group" Exactly this. Don’t believe everything you read online.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 13:29:22 GMT
I have the same view / experience for both Levene & Franklin. I don’t think the audios miss them and I wouldn’t want anyone enduring any hassle as a result of hiring them further, whether that be for the team recording or criticism following an announcement they’re involved in a release. I actually think the 3DAs do miss Levene and Franklin. They were a staple part of Jon Pertwee's time on the show, and they are originals. I have no clue how they have acted at conventions - perhaps such information would change my mind - but I would be really sad if they had been 'cancelled' by BF (I'm pretty sure Franklin's absence is health related, but I've noticed a lack of Benton recently too). I know there was some upset after Levene's initial Companion Chronicle story, but I thought that had been well and truly resolved. We're none of us perfect, and I'm not making excuses but really, are we only allowed to hear from actors who have 100% blemish-free existences? I understand William Hartnell had some questionable personal opinions - if he still lived, would we be denied any First Doctor stories because of that? There's a scale, and both have displayed behaviour at cons - and it's not one-off stuff, hence Shalla, Timelord as he mentioned before, and I all witnessing pretty disgusting behaviour. Way beyond just being grumpy or Peter Davison woulda been cancelled years back, and Arthur Darvill the modern version - both can be quite irritable but hey, not abusive or nasty! No, there's way worse..when I was a teen in the wilderness years and cons were quite different, tended to be two day affairs with staying over, drinks into the nights...there was literally a warning for teen lads of "dont find yourself alone with..." for a few people involved with the show. It's not always just a dodgy opinion or being rude at cons to fans. It can be far more insidious, as Richard Marson revealed in his bio of JNT and how he and Gary Downie treated young male fans, including Richard himself. Put it this way..if IPhones were about just a few decades years earlier, there would be a lot more people not just cancelled but disgraced. As it is, libel laws don't make it worth talking about till the parties are gone. As for Hartnell..well, even Michael Craze and Anneke Wills said they found his beliefs and language abbhorent, wheras earlier actors didn't seem to mention it so much. We do know his cerebrovascular disease affected his brain massively and his grandaughter in her biography attributes his attitudes becoming sharply more hostile to that. He died at a time we won't really know on that one so I would personally not lump him in with some others.
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Post by timleschild on Nov 7, 2022 15:26:45 GMT
Who actually said that? Big Finish themselves? A random poster on a fb big finish group It’s weird I thought that the reason Levine wasn’t doing many audios Was due to looking after a family member during the lockdowns Surprised there wasn’t more details A random poster on a fb big finish group! Well it must be true then...
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Post by dorney on Nov 7, 2022 15:36:18 GMT
Having found the FB post it’s worth noting that there’s some Chinese whispers happening here. The reference to veering ‘right-wing’ is actually a post about Franklin and not Levene.
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Post by timleschild on Nov 7, 2022 15:44:23 GMT
Having found the FB post it’s worth noting that there’s some Chinese whispers happening here. The reference to veering ‘right-wing’ is actually a post about Franklin and not Levene. & this is how all these bad rumours grow & spread. People need to have better judgement before posting things.
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Post by ryan on Nov 7, 2022 21:18:22 GMT
Is this thread really worth keeping open? Seems to be heading towards hearsay and rumour to the point where it could become quite toxic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 21:26:18 GMT
Is this thread really worth keeping open? Seems to be heading towards hearsay and rumour to the point where it could become quite toxic. I think you might be right.
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Post by shutupbanks on Nov 7, 2022 22:41:11 GMT
Is this thread really worth keeping open? Seems to be heading towards hearsay and rumour to the point where it could become quite toxic. I think you might be right. I heard that he might be right as well. Seriously, though, a thread like this could be considered libellous unless people are providing correct sources of information rather than just mentioning something they saw.
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Post by ryan on Nov 8, 2022 7:03:15 GMT
I think you might be right. I heard that he might be right as well. Seriously, though, a thread like this could be considered libellous unless people are providing correct sources of information rather than just mentioning something they saw. I know what you mean. My mate Barry from work knows a guy who lubricates gearboxes at Kwik Fit in Wrexham. He did some clutch work for a plasterer whose wife worked in the BBC canteen between 1986 and 2013. Her dog Jemima was an extra on an episode of Torchwood Miracle Day. (Unfortunately, her testimony may be unreliable as her scenes were cut and she was paid in Tesco branded meat chunks rather than the contractually agreed Pedigree Chum - apparently a similar incident occurred on Doctor Who on 2005, hence Christopher Eccleston leaving after one series when his Guinea pig was paid in muesli, which as we all know is an outrageously insulting gesture in Guinea pig circles, which is usually only resolved by a fight in a supermarket car park of the aggrieved Guinea pig's choosing). Anyway, according to Jemima, who barked down the phone to a journalist from The Daily Star using morse code, Russell T Davies may or may not have been seen eating a Turkey Twizzler, which, as we all know, wasn't brought back until 2020. Pretty shocking if you ask me.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 8, 2022 7:25:58 GMT
I heard that he might be right as well. Seriously, though, a thread like this could be considered libellous unless people are providing correct sources of information rather than just mentioning something they saw. I know what you mean. My mate Barry from work knows a guy who lubricates gearboxes at Kwik Fit in Wrexham. He did some clutch work for a plasterer whose wife worked in the BBC canteen between 1986 and 2013. Her dog Jemima was an extra on an episode of Torchwood Miracle Day. (Unfortunately, her testimony may be unreliable as her scenes were cut and she was paid in Tesco branded meat chunks rather than the contractually agreed Pedigree Chum - apparently a similar incident occurred on Doctor Who on 2005, hence Christopher Eccleston leaving after one series when his Guinea pig was paid in muesli, which as we all know is an outrageously insulting gesture in Guinea pig circles, which is usually only resolved by a fight in a supermarket car park of the aggrieved Guinea pig's choosing). Anyway, according to Jemima, who barked down the phone to a journalist from The Daily Star using morse code, Russell T Davies may or may not have been seen eating a Turkey Twizzler, which, as we all know, wasn't brought back until 2020. Pretty shocking if you ask me. This is all well and good except in some cases we’re talking about witnessing and being made to be uncomfortable when stars of the show have been nothing less than creepy around fans and indeed myself in one case. But god forbid people on this forum actually dare to read other peoples posts. And god forbid that someone’s unacceptable actions are discussed and have an impact on our precious Big Finish audios.
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Post by ryan on Nov 8, 2022 7:41:04 GMT
I know what you mean. My mate Barry from work knows a guy who lubricates gearboxes at Kwik Fit in Wrexham. He did some clutch work for a plasterer whose wife worked in the BBC canteen between 1986 and 2013. Her dog Jemima was an extra on an episode of Torchwood Miracle Day. (Unfortunately, her testimony may be unreliable as her scenes were cut and she was paid in Tesco branded meat chunks rather than the contractually agreed Pedigree Chum - apparently a similar incident occurred on Doctor Who on 2005, hence Christopher Eccleston leaving after one series when his Guinea pig was paid in muesli, which as we all know is an outrageously insulting gesture in Guinea pig circles, which is usually only resolved by a fight in a supermarket car park of the aggrieved Guinea pig's choosing). Anyway, according to Jemima, who barked down the phone to a journalist from The Daily Star using morse code, Russell T Davies may or may not have been seen eating a Turkey Twizzler, which, as we all know, wasn't brought back until 2020. Pretty shocking if you ask me. This is all well and good except in some cases we’re talking about witnessing and being made to be uncomfortable when stars of the show have been nothing less than creepy around fans and indeed myself in one case. But god forbid people on this forum actually dare to read other peoples posts. And god forbid that someone’s unacceptable actions are discussed and have an impact on our precious Big Finish audios. If you've witnessed something first-hand, fair enough for commenting on it and articulating your point of view. You're perfectly entitled to express your own opinions. But the point is that much of this discussion has devolved into "I heard from someone" or "according to Facebook", which is where it becomes problematic.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 8, 2022 7:44:58 GMT
This is all well and good except in some cases we’re talking about witnessing and being made to be uncomfortable when stars of the show have been nothing less than creepy around fans and indeed myself in one case. But god forbid people on this forum actually dare to read other peoples posts. And god forbid that someone’s unacceptable actions are discussed and have an impact on our precious Big Finish audios. If you've witnessed something first-hand, fair enough for commenting on it and articulating your point of view. You're perfectly entitled to express your own opinions. But the point is that much of this discussion has devolved into "I heard from someone" or "according to Facebook", which is where it becomes problematic. I appreciate some information has come from Facebook and the like, but that has spawned into a genuine conversation. If you’d actually read and digested all of the posts you’d have understood that without making a mockery of information provided from those who have seen it first-hand, which is how your post came across.
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Post by ryan on Nov 8, 2022 7:50:09 GMT
If you've witnessed something first-hand, fair enough for commenting on it and articulating your point of view. You're perfectly entitled to express your own opinions. But the point is that much of this discussion has devolved into "I heard from someone" or "according to Facebook", which is where it becomes problematic. I appreciate some information has come from Facebook and the like, but that has spawned into a genuine conversation. If you’d actually read and digested all of the posts you’d have understood that without making a mockery of information provided from those who have seen it first-hand, which is how your post came across. In which case, I apologise if people feel that I have mocked their own experiences, which certainly was not my intention. However, I stand by my point that the discussion is very much veering into rumour and speculation, which is very unfair to parties that aren't here to validate what's being said.
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Post by shutupbanks on Nov 8, 2022 8:57:02 GMT
If you've witnessed something first-hand, fair enough for commenting on it and articulating your point of view. You're perfectly entitled to express your own opinions. But the point is that much of this discussion has devolved into "I heard from someone" or "according to Facebook", which is where it becomes problematic. I appreciate some information has come from Facebook and the like, but that has spawned into a genuine conversation. If you’d actually read and digested all of the posts you’d have understood that without making a mockery of information provided from those who have seen it first-hand, which is how your post came across. When people are giving direct quotes from sources that’s well and good. Likewise when people are quoting from their own experience. However, there’s a few posts here from folks that are not referencing anything but hearsay and rumour. And that sort of thing could get us shut down or worse.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 8, 2022 9:12:19 GMT
I appreciate some information has come from Facebook and the like, but that has spawned into a genuine conversation. If you’d actually read and digested all of the posts you’d have understood that without making a mockery of information provided from those who have seen it first-hand, which is how your post came across. When people are giving direct quotes from sources that’s well and good. Likewise when people are quoting from their own experience. However, there’s a few posts here from folks that are not referencing anything but hearsay and rumour. And that sort of thing could get us shut down or worse. You're changing the goal posts here. You posted yesterday that “ Seriously, though, a thread like this could be considered libellous unless people are providing correct sources of information rather than just mentioning something they saw.” So which is it? Because it just seems like this thread has been skimmed by those who are concerned with very little effort made to read the posts. You’ll have found that any rumour has been very vocally knocked back and there’s also been interesting discussion that has stemmed from first-hand experience. Next time you get concerned about hearsay and rumour, just think about your own recent post history and getting in a flap about, you guessed it, hearsay and rumour with Disney and Doctor Who. The forum will not get shut down and there’s a moderation team to intervene where appropriate.
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Post by shutupbanks on Nov 8, 2022 9:32:03 GMT
When people are giving direct quotes from sources that’s well and good. Likewise when people are quoting from their own experience. However, there’s a few posts here from folks that are not referencing anything but hearsay and rumour. And that sort of thing could get us shut down or worse. You're changing the goal posts here. You posted yesterday that “ Seriously, though, a thread like this could be considered libellous unless people are providing correct sources of information rather than just mentioning something they saw.” So which is it? Because it just seems like this thread has been skimmed by those who are concerned with very little effort made to read the posts. You’ll have found that any rumour has been very vocally knocked back and there’s also been interesting discussion that has stemmed from first-hand experience. Next time you get concerned about hearsay and rumour, just think about your own recent post history and getting in a flap about, you guessed it, hearsay and rumour with Disney and Doctor Who. The forum will not get shut down and there’s a moderation team to intervene where appropriate. There’s a lot of difference between speculating on the business practices of a major corporation and discussing the potentially-criminal activities of individual people. I’ve expressed doubts and referred back to things that have happened in the past, not repeated things told to me by some bloke in the pub with a whippet.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 8, 2022 9:53:15 GMT
You're changing the goal posts here. You posted yesterday that “ Seriously, though, a thread like this could be considered libellous unless people are providing correct sources of information rather than just mentioning something they saw.” So which is it? Because it just seems like this thread has been skimmed by those who are concerned with very little effort made to read the posts. You’ll have found that any rumour has been very vocally knocked back and there’s also been interesting discussion that has stemmed from first-hand experience. Next time you get concerned about hearsay and rumour, just think about your own recent post history and getting in a flap about, you guessed it, hearsay and rumour with Disney and Doctor Who. The forum will not get shut down and there’s a moderation team to intervene where appropriate. There’s a lot of difference between speculating on the business practices of a major corporation and discussing the potentially-criminal activities of individual people. I’ve expressed doubts and referred back to things that have happened in the past, not repeated things told to me by some bloke in the pub with a whippet. Equally there’s a lot of difference between quoting from social media - which you’ve done yourself - and also first-hand experience from people. Yet you seem to change your mind as you see fit. It just reads as though it’s more concern about missing out on product, or product featuring the actors in question, rather than any other concern. There’s so much more to it than that and there’s equally so much more being discussed than a Facebook link. Just my perspective, of course.
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