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Post by shutupbanks on Nov 9, 2021 15:16:35 GMT
Loved it. Solid second episode that answers so,e questions but raises more. Add me to the chorus of people who are loving Epic Chibs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 15:36:48 GMT
Ok.. finally caught up with episode 2. 1st comment from wife "Why couldn't the previous 2 seasons be as gripping and consistent as these last 2 episodes". The Liverpool accents were really strong in this episode, to our Aussie ears we really had to focus. Flux sounds like "Floox" to us LOLZ - kinda ironic since 1 of my best mates is born and raised in Liverpool, I think his accent has been diluted a bit over the last 40+ years living here. I love how whatever is happening is changing the Tardis- now we need a merchandise figure of a Tardis with no door! Sontaran's shown as a non-comedic plot point was a welcome addition. My oh my has the budget increased! Solid episode. Nah the budget was probably the same except they could spend it here and not in Soth Africa or Spain or some such place.
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Post by Chakoteya on Nov 9, 2021 15:52:11 GMT
Ok.. finally caught up with episode 2. 1st comment from wife "Why couldn't the previous 2 seasons be as gripping and consistent as these last 2 episodes". The Liverpool accents were really strong in this episode, to our Aussie ears we really had to focus. Flux sounds like "Floox" to us LOLZ - kinda ironic since 1 of my best mates is born and raised in Liverpool, I think his accent has been diluted a bit over the last 40+ years living here. I love how whatever is happening is changing the Tardis- now we need a merchandise figure of a Tardis with no door! Sontaran's shown as a non-comedic plot point was a welcome addition. My oh my has the budget increased! Solid episode. Nah the budget was probably the same except they could spend it here and not in Soth Africa or Spain or some such place. Or spend the money allocated for 12 one hour episodes on 6 or 9 instead?
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Post by thelonecenturion on Nov 9, 2021 15:56:50 GMT
Nah the budget was probably the same except they could spend it here and not in Soth Africa or Spain or some such place. Or spend the money allocated for 12 one hour episodes on 6 or 9 instead? The budget was never for 12 one hour episodes. When NewWho started, it was 14x45 per year. Then when Capaldi took over from Smith it became 13x45 per year. Chibnall took over and it became 11x50 per year. The budget is a flexible thing - it can be allocated how the production team wants.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 9, 2021 16:31:26 GMT
Ok.. finally caught up with episode 2. 1st comment from wife "Why couldn't the previous 2 seasons be as gripping and consistent as these last 2 episodes". The Liverpool accents were really strong in this episode, to our Aussie ears we really had to focus. Flux sounds like "Floox" to us LOLZ - kinda ironic since 1 of my best mates is born and raised in Liverpool, I think his accent has been diluted a bit over the last 40+ years living here. I love how whatever is happening is changing the Tardis- now we need a merchandise figure of a Tardis with no door! Sontaran's shown as a non-comedic plot point was a welcome addition. My oh my has the budget increased! Solid episode. Nah the budget was probably the same except they could spend it here and not in Soth Africa or Spain or some such place. Yeah, the overseas filming is lovely, but will obviously be costly. Presumably the costs are being funnelled into other things. As mentioned, the budget will likely be allocated however it’s needed. One thing I think the overseas filming loses sometimes is the flow of the stories and the travelling from location to location by the cast. I like in Flux so far that the TARDIS is actually materialising in places and we’re seeing those travels in the TARDIS.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 18:17:43 GMT
Nah the budget was probably the same except they could spend it here and not in Soth Africa or Spain or some such place. Or spend the money allocated for 12 one hour episodes on 6 or 9 instead? Exactly
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 18:19:37 GMT
Nah the budget was probably the same except they could spend it here and not in Soth Africa or Spain or some such place. Yeah, the overseas filming is lovely, but will obviously be costly. Presumably the costs are being funnelled into other things. As mentioned, the budget will likely be allocated however it’s needed. One thing I think the overseas filming loses sometimes is the flow of the stories and the travelling from location to location by the cast. I like in Flux so far that the TARDIS is actually materialising in places and we’re seeing those travels in the TARDIS. Yes I imagine they didn’t really go to the Crimea lol and the cost of Covid testing to Enter the temple would be phenomenal😂 interstellar travel ain’t cheap
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 9, 2021 21:56:26 GMT
Two episodes in and I will echo the comment up thread that if this, or something like it, had been what the Chibnall era had opened with instead of closing with, well, I suspect we would be looking at CC’s run on the show in a vastly different light. I will also echo David’s hope that this is the Chris Chibnall of Broadchurch series 1 & 3 and not Broadchurch series 2. Please don't presume that everyone feels the same about Chibnall's era. I know some haven't been huge fans of him until this season but I have really enjoyed all of it. We all know you’ve been the biggest cheerleader of this era of the series on the board. It isn’t even a matter of being a fan. It’s a matter of CC doing something different with the show right out of the gate instead of as he is getting ready to turn off the lights. He opens with this and the conversation instantly changes.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 9, 2021 23:12:17 GMT
Please don't presume that everyone feels the same about Chibnall's era. I know some haven't been huge fans of him until this season but I have really enjoyed all of it. We all know you’ve been the biggest cheerleader of this era of the series on the board. It isn’t even a matter of being a fan. It’s a matter of CC doing something different with the show right out of the gate instead of as he is getting ready to turn off the lights. He opens with this and the conversation instantly changes. I feel like even if Chibbs had done Flux back in 2018, it's open to some contention if it would changed the grander conversation, given one small but vocal element of it that had ulterior motives. (And if anyone is wondering, 'they' don't like Flux either and, as icing on the cake, said the VFX suck because 'the artists are too diverse'. I wish that was a joke.)
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 10, 2021 1:49:29 GMT
We all know you’ve been the biggest cheerleader of this era of the series on the board. It isn’t even a matter of being a fan. It’s a matter of CC doing something different with the show right out of the gate instead of as he is getting ready to turn off the lights. He opens with this and the conversation instantly changes. I feel like even if Chibbs had done Flux back in 2018, it's open to some contention if it would changed the grander conversation, given one small but vocal element of it that had ulterior motives. (And if anyone is wondering, 'they' don't like Flux either and, as icing on the cake, said the VFX suck because 'the artists are too diverse'. I wish that was a joke.)
I think if I have a single problem with his first series, its that it struck me as very bland Who. The series had some high points to be sure but it never hit that point where I was left wanting the next episode yesterday. And I don’t have a problem with Whittaker. She is a fine performer although to me she isn’t one of those actors who elevates average material. I genuinely enjoyed series 12, although I think the series finale & the NY special left a lot to be desired. Yeah, a serialized series 11 would have been contentious for some but it would not have been bland run-of-the-mill Who. He could have planted his flag and done something unique in the modern Who era from the outset. Others mileage may vary.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 10, 2021 8:06:49 GMT
I don’t think I’d have done a fully serialised Series 11, but the elements to split it up into a few serialised runs are there… they just didn’t go with it. I’ve mentioned it a few times in the past, but there’s just a slight tweak of running order that makes Series 11 a better watch. There’s more that could be done to make them more serialised, of course.
The Woman Who Fell to Earth > The Ghost Monument > The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos - the first two go straight into one another and the latter feels like an odd finale, but would’ve been a good third act to open the series.
The Witchfinders > The Tsuranga Conundrum > Arachnids in the UK - the Doctor getting Graham, Ryan and Yaz back to Sheffield.
Demons of the Punjab > Kerblam! > Rosa > It Takes You Away - The Fam are properly established and are having the time of their lives. It’s not properly serialised, and it’s a low key finale, sure, but I love the Grandad mention so much and we’ve built up to the Fam “officially” coming together in the preceding six episodes. I don’t think you need much more than that, to be honest.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Nov 10, 2021 10:02:02 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 10, 2021 10:35:00 GMT
Please don't presume that everyone feels the same about Chibnall's era. I know some haven't been huge fans of him until this season but I have really enjoyed all of it. We all know you’ve been the biggest cheerleader of this era of the series on the board. It isn’t even a matter of being a fan. It’s a matter of CC doing something different with the show right out of the gate instead of as he is getting ready to turn off the lights. He opens with this and the conversation instantly changes. I'm not a cheerleader.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2021 12:34:58 GMT
We all know you’ve been the biggest cheerleader of this era of the series on the board. It isn’t even a matter of being a fan. It’s a matter of CC doing something different with the show right out of the gate instead of as he is getting ready to turn off the lights. He opens with this and the conversation instantly changes. I'm not a cheerleader. I can definitely see you with Pom poms 😜
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 10, 2021 12:39:24 GMT
I can definitely see you with Pom poms 😜 Not funny. But highlights what a patronising term was used by audiowatchdog.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2021 12:40:46 GMT
I can definitely see you with Pom poms 😜 Not funny. But highlights what a patronising term was used by audiowatchdog. I do not think any offence was meant by him
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 10, 2021 15:11:53 GMT
If there is a recurring weak point to both this and HA, it's the lack of a theme or thesis - yes we have the end of the universe, but that's the threat. We're not really using this as a vessel to say or examine anything through this (like Heaven Sent using a gothic romp to discussion mourning, or Demons of the Punjab using a Holmes-esque historical to talk about the corrosive effects of religious intolerance). Despite the title, War of the Sontarans doesn't have anything to say about war, the clear parallels between British Imperialism and the Sontarans' own war thirst, or even just about how people react when the apocalypse is coming. This is most personified in General Logan, by far the weakest character in the episode - Kyd does fine as a standard Victorian stiff upper lip, but there's really nothing else to him. There's seeds of a story about him being a coward more willing to sacrifice his troops for some 'ideal' of war and glory, but it doesn't go anywhere. Him destroying the Sontaran ships reads like it should be a big moment for him, a total consummation of his hypocritical view of proper warfare, but it doesn't land like that and it makes the 'how did he do that' question more irritating. I suppose I should clarify, given this did make a bit of a stir, what I'm saying - I don't need every Who story to be deep and no, I'm not saying this had to be some grand treatise on the sins of war or whatever. I didn't say I wanted WOTS to be Apocalypse Now. Theme is not just about depth - it's what ties different elements together, beyond just plot.
My point is that, because there's not a lot more under the hood so far with Flux (which of course, could change), it means oddities or shortcomings with plot or character become magnified. Hence why I cited the General - if the powder keg scene meant something in terms of a character arc or perspective, then I think the fact it's unexplained how he did it would be less of an issue. Because the scene has a character purpose - without it, it's just so the Sontarans can go boom for quick spectacle.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 10, 2021 16:57:15 GMT
I suppose I should clarify, given this did make a bit of a stir, what I'm saying - I don't need every Who story to be deep and no, I'm not saying this had to be some grand treatise on the sins of war or whatever. I didn't say I wanted WOTS to be Apocalypse Now. Theme is not just about depth - it's what ties different elements together, beyond just plot.
My point is that, because there's not a lot more under the hood so far with Flux (which of course, could change), it means oddities or shortcomings with plot or character become magnified. Hence why I cited the General - if the powder keg scene meant something in terms of a character arc or perspective, then I think the fact it's unexplained how he did it would be less of an issue. Because the scene has a character purpose - without it, it's just so the Sontarans can go boom for quick spectacle. It literally doesn't matter though, does it? Classic example from the big screen is The Dark Knight. Scene where the Joker and his gang terrorize the party, Rachel gets flung out the window and Batman dramatically saves her. AND NEVER GOES BACK TO THE PARTY TO STOP THE JOKER THEN. But everything is moving along at a clip and ultimately it does not matter. How he got gunpowder and so on is far less egregious than the Batman example.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 10, 2021 17:28:24 GMT
If there is a recurring weak point to both this and HA, it's the lack of a theme or thesis - yes we have the end of the universe, but that's the threat. We're not really using this as a vessel to say or examine anything through this (like Heaven Sent using a gothic romp to discussion mourning, or Demons of the Punjab using a Holmes-esque historical to talk about the corrosive effects of religious intolerance). Despite the title, War of the Sontarans doesn't have anything to say about war, the clear parallels between British Imperialism and the Sontarans' own war thirst, or even just about how people react when the apocalypse is coming. This is most personified in General Logan, by far the weakest character in the episode - Kyd does fine as a standard Victorian stiff upper lip, but there's really nothing else to him. There's seeds of a story about him being a coward more willing to sacrifice his troops for some 'ideal' of war and glory, but it doesn't go anywhere. Him destroying the Sontaran ships reads like it should be a big moment for him, a total consummation of his hypocritical view of proper warfare, but it doesn't land like that and it makes the 'how did he do that' question more irritating. I suppose I should clarify, given this did make a bit of a stir, what I'm saying - I don't need every Who story to be deep and no, I'm not saying this had to be some grand treatise on the sins of war or whatever. I didn't say I wanted WOTS to be Apocalypse Now. Theme is not just about depth - it's what ties different elements together, beyond just plot.
My point is that, because there's not a lot more under the hood so far with Flux (which of course, could change), it means oddities or shortcomings with plot or character become magnified. Hence why I cited the General - if the powder keg scene meant something in terms of a character arc or perspective, then I think the fact it's unexplained how he did it would be less of an issue. Because the scene has a character purpose - without it, it's just so the Sontarans can go boom for quick spectacle. Why does it have to have character purpose? it has a narrative purpose, not knowing it was going to happen creates a sense of the unexpected & yes a quick spectacle. Nothing wrong with that. I don't see it as an oddity or shortcoming.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 10, 2021 20:42:36 GMT
Not funny. But highlights what a patronising term was used by audiowatchdog. I do not think any offence was meant by him Of course there wasn’t but some people thrive on conflict.
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