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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 1:57:27 GMT
Hey everyone,
How do you think Twelve's will play out? While it defiently would be treading on the ground of Hell Bent, I can't help but wonder if we'll see Twelve having a troubled regeneration which will lead his next incarnation emerge as ameasnic with only his name ("I'm....a Doctor it seems." The crisis of the episode is happening, children are screaming. "Time to live up to it.") and fresh eyes upon the universe, a shakeup to the shatered war veteran of the last ten years. Just imagine The Doctor giving his nom de guerre of John Smith to The Daleks!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 2:20:29 GMT
I hope not Michael - the amnesiac thing is so overdone in Who for those of us that follow wider canon. I much prefer freshly regenned Doctors to hit the ground running like Troughton, Pertwee and Smith rather than forget things a la McCoy or McGann or need to rest like Davison or Tennant. How would I like 12 to go...well, I'll not know for sure till I see the new dynamic in Series 10 (and that's a year away  ) but something that challenges The Doctor's morals would make sense for this incarnation. Moffat plays the long game so I'm sure the "Am I a good man?" theme will play into it. I'd also like something not connected to Daleks, Timelords or anything major like that. We've not had a low-key, poignant regen in Nu WHo and I think it would suit Capaldi more than, say Murray Gold's Vale Decem blasting while 12 cries... I'd also like the Doctor to be unsentimental in his final speech. No "I don't wanna go" or "I will always remember when the Doctor was me" moments. Remember when he forgave Clara over the keys thing and said he will do anything to find Danny Pink? ANY other Nu-Doctor would have hugged her in that moment but he said "Cut out the whining while you're at it. We've got work to do." THAT'S the kind of way Capaldi should go. |
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jan 2, 2016 2:57:59 GMT
I think it'll be something small, this Doctor has proven he'll go out of his way to save one life (Clara, Ashildyr, some random Zygon), it'll be something meaningless on the cosmic scale but important on the personal scale.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 8:49:09 GMT
I hope not Michael - the amnesiac thing is so overdone in Who for those of us that follow wider canon. I much prefer freshly regenned Doctors to hit the ground running like Troughton, Pertwee and Smith rather than forget things a la McCoy or McGann or need to rest like Davison or Tennant. Would it really be the case with fandom at large, though? Eight's ameansic arc in the EDAs is a good twelve years behind us, after all and the other examples you have listed are still far behind us and weren't significantly long-lasting. While I have no doubt that the next Doctor is going to be a gentler soul then Twelve, I'm worried just how long the revival can keep telling stories about The Doctor's Time War damage and that tale can remain fresh with the audience and for me, that's a bigger concern whether or not it overlaps with untelevised material unfarmaliar with a large portion of the audience. I don't know, I personally feel I can make that concession and that many wouldn't mind the overlap if it kept the show fresh for the next few years. |
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Post by omega on Jan 2, 2016 9:26:18 GMT
I hope not Michael - the amnesiac thing is so overdone in Who for those of us that follow wider canon. I much prefer freshly regenned Doctors to hit the ground running like Troughton, Pertwee and Smith rather than forget things a la McCoy or McGann or need to rest like Davison or Tennant. Would it really be the case with fandom at large, though? Eight's ameansic arc in the EDAs is a good twelve years behind us, after all and the other examples you have listed are still far behind us and weren't significantly long-lasting. While I have no doubt that the next Doctor is going to be a gentler soul then Twelve, I'm worried just how long the revival can keep telling stories about The Doctor's Time War damage and that tale can remain fresh with the audience and for me, that's a bigger concern whether or not it overlaps with untelevised material unfarmaliar with a large portion of the audience. I don't know, I personally feel I can make that concession and that many wouldn't mind the overlap if it kept the show fresh for the next few years. The newly regenerated Doctor not quite having all his faculties was great when the writers had four episodes to play with, and the confusion or amnesia helped to pad out the plot (at least until the monster about to attack the Doctor on the 24-minute mark). Almost all of Part One of Castrovalva took place within the TARDIS, with the Doctor floating or unraveling his scarf and Janet Fielding marking the set with lipstick. With the 45 minute story, the writer needs every minute they can get to establish the new Doctor, and resorting to confusion/amnesia/rest (delete as applicable) takes time away from that. The only amnesia storyline I want to see is one that examines the character in depth (do they like or dislike the person they were, do they want to become that person again and how who they were shapes who they will become). The Eighth Doctor has received amnesia as recently as Dark Eyes 4, and has practically been type-cast as the amnesiac Doctor. He forgot most of the events of The Girl Who Never Was (conveniently not realising Charley's situation at the end of that story) and the third season of Eighth Doctor and Lucie stories introduced (but wound up dropping) an arc where the Doctor had lost his memory after a 600 year stint on Orbis, and he had to learn a number of things all over again. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 2, 2016 10:44:33 GMT
I'm guessing it'll end with a final confrontation between the 12th Doctor and Missy, perhaps similar in structure to Logopolis (only without the radio telescope fall) in that Missy is first the enemy, then she makes a mistake and initially teams up with the Doctor, then they're enemies again. I think like Logopolis, the Doctor will die trying to stop his arch enemy. He will save countless lives and civilisations that finally proves that he is after all a 'good man' and not just an 'idiot in a box'.
Also, I suspect Peter Capaldi's regeneration will see the first female Doctor (who will be played by a well-known female actor) and his current companion (whoever that may be) will stay around with the new Doctor.
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Post by mbt66 on Jan 2, 2016 11:41:26 GMT
Hey everyone, How do you think Twelve's will play out? While it defiently would be treading on the ground of Hell Bent, I can't help but wonder if we'll see Twelve having a troubled regeneration which will lead his next incarnation emerge as ameasnic with only his name ("I'm....a Doctor it seems." The crisis of the episode is happening, children are screaming. "Time to live up to it.") and fresh eyes upon the universe, a shakeup to the shatered war veteran of the last ten years. Just imagine The Doctor giving his nom de guerre of John Smith to The Daleks! I like the idea of an amnesiac Doctor following his, although like dalekbuster, I wouldn't be surprised if it will be her regeneration. Assuming there will be a new showrunner it would be the perfect reset. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 11:55:49 GMT
Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if the Thirteenth Doctor is the first female Doctor that is introduced to the show. As a matter of fact and now that I come to think of it, I'd be shocked if he/she wasn't. It's certainly the most prominent item on the agenda the Moffat era crew seem to be pushing at the moment. It's very difficult to see what exactly will off Twelve at this stage in the game though. Given the more nostalgic slant of recent stories, I'm inclined to believe his death will probably try to emulate one of the other classic series Doctors in some shape or form. Of course, that's if we don't get a new showrunner by the time Capaldi leaves the programme.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 12:29:58 GMT
The only amnesia storyline I want to see is one that examines the character in depth (do they like or dislike the person they were, do they want to become that person again and how who they were shapes who they will become). I wouldn't say that The Doctor in this case would forget his history completly, just that this would be in place for a series or two to shakeup the character and the series. A tragic inevitability over The Doctor's glorious rediscovery of himself. The details have slipped, it's been a busy day for me helping to organise a family event  But Eight's amensia in Orbis was contained within the story and the tale is a good seven years old now, The Girl Who Never Was featured a selective memory wipe and Master of The Daleks only featured this plot element briefly - and yes, it's hillarious how memory erasure has featured in Eighth Doctor material. But, still ask yourself this: ever since Rose, The Doctor's war veteran has significantly impacted the character and subsquent episodes. It's been mined for good effect, but IT IS a well-trodden theme. A tale well told. The revival is entering it's eleventh year now and a shakeup of some sort is inevitable to keep the show fresh and new. I'm not saying that the show has to do this, but would you mind all that much if this plot device was used, if it keep things fresh, new and different - The Doctor further apart from the man they've known him as - for a significant portion of the audience who is unfarmaliar with said material? |
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Post by marie1964 on Jan 2, 2016 12:36:52 GMT
I think an amnesiac Doctor would make for a good turn of events. Having only been exposed to it, so far, in the TV movie and Time and the Rani, this would be fresh and new for most of the audience. The Doctor has found Gallifrey, give the 12th Doctor a season or two to adjust to that, but then it's time to move on.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jan 2, 2016 14:01:57 GMT
The sooner the better.
Capaldi has been a huge disappointment. Its nothing to do with age, I prefer someone older, but his interpretation has been woeful!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 14:04:02 GMT
The sooner the better. Capaldi has been a huge disappointment. Its nothing to do with age, I prefer someone older, but his interpretation has been woeful! Not really the point of the thread is it? You'll only hate the next person anyway. |
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jan 2, 2016 14:44:32 GMT
The sooner the better. Capaldi has been a huge disappointment. Its nothing to do with age, I prefer someone older, but his interpretation has been woeful! Not really the point of the thread is it? You'll only hate the next person anyway. The Moffat/Capaldi combination isn't working. At the very least, Moffat has to leave, for the newcomer to breath fresh air into the programme. |
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Post by randomjc on Jan 2, 2016 14:46:41 GMT
Not really the point of the thread is it? You'll only hate the next person anyway. The Moffat/Capaldi combination isn't working. At the very least, Moffat has to leave, for the newcomer to breath fresh air into the programme. Someone order a dead horse? |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 2, 2016 23:31:51 GMT
Not really the point of the thread is it? You'll only hate the next person anyway. The Moffat/Capaldi combination isn't working. At the very least, Moffat has to leave, for the newcomer to breath fresh air into the programme. I agree that Steven Moffat needs to leave but not that A: Peter Capaldi is terrible and B: the Moffat/Capaldi combination doesn't work. I like Steven Moffat as showrunner and I think he's still doing a great job but I think he's outstayed his welcome and it's time to see someone new take over. Because that's what the show's about: change. In my opinion the end of series 8 would have been the perfect time for Steven Moffat to leave. |
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Post by omega on Jan 2, 2016 23:37:55 GMT
The Moffat/Capaldi combination isn't working. At the very least, Moffat has to leave, for the newcomer to breath fresh air into the programme. Someone order a dead horse? And a whip to flay it? |
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Post by randomjc on Jan 3, 2016 0:35:50 GMT
Someone order a dead horse? And a whip to flay it? no...I have no whip on the invoice, ayup. That'll be £15 for a whip. |
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jan 4, 2016 5:31:56 GMT
I'd end the story with both the Master and the Doctor regenerating and we don't see the outcome of either, with the Christmas episode having multiple people who could be the Doctor running around.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 11:31:23 GMT
I'd end the story with both the Master and the Doctor regenerating and we don't see the outcome of either, with the Christmas episode having multiple people who could be the Doctor running around. I'd rather like that. It'd be a nice shake-up to what's normally expected from a debut regeneration story. It's a pity we don't have the four-part serials anymore because I've always wondered what a regeneration mid-story would look like. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 4, 2016 15:10:41 GMT
I'd end the story with both the Master and the Doctor regenerating and we don't see the outcome of either, with the Christmas episode having multiple people who could be the Doctor running around. I'd rather like that. It'd be a nice shake-up to what's normally expected from a debut regeneration story. It's a pity we don't have the four-part serials anymore because I've always wondered what a regeneration mid-story would look like. Something like The Stolen Earth/Journey's End, only without the regeneration aborted I would imagine. |
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) but something that challenges The Doctor's morals would make sense for this incarnation. Moffat plays the long game so I'm sure the "Am I a good man?" theme will play into it. I'd also like something not connected to Daleks, Timelords or anything major like that. We've not had a low-key, poignant regen in Nu WHo and I think it would suit Capaldi more than, say Murray Gold's Vale Decem blasting while 12 cries...
But Eight's amensia in Orbis was contained within the story and the tale is a good seven years old now, The Girl Who Never Was featured a selective memory wipe and Master of The Daleks only featured this plot element briefly - and yes, it's hillarious how memory erasure has featured in Eighth Doctor material. But, still ask yourself this: ever since Rose, The Doctor's war veteran has significantly impacted the character and subsquent episodes. It's been mined for good effect, but IT IS a well-trodden theme.
