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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 1, 2022 23:31:03 GMT
Just listened.. ooh.. "you had me at hello".
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Post by Kestrel on Apr 2, 2022 8:56:18 GMT
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Post by project37 on Apr 2, 2022 23:03:37 GMT
Just heard the Colin Unbound excerpt and... ...okay, I think I'm down for this! I enjoyed the dark What If...? take on THAT scene from Genesis of the Daleks (Sadie's brief performance was effective in particular) and how it pivoted to weave in elements from the television version of the War Doctor's arrival. The new theme and the sound design/music were suitably exciting. Odd to hear Tom's voice crack and squeak, though. Speaking of voices, I'm one of those clowns that helplessly struggle with Colin's older slurred voice but his delivery fits well here, knowing that he's playing a different version of the Doctor (although the trailer suggests that the "real" Sixth Doctor will factor into the story in some form anyway). It's been ages since a preview excerpt convinced me to take a chance on a purchase but this one did the trick.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 3, 2022 3:19:56 GMT
I’m still hoping that the ‘stranger with the Warrior’s face” isn’t Ol’ Sixie, but someone like Bayban the Butcher or noted thespian and columnist Colin Baker.
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 3, 2022 3:25:48 GMT
I’m still hoping that the ‘stranger with the Warrior’s face” isn’t Ol’ Sixie, but someone like Bayban the Butcher or noted thespian and columnist Colin Baker. Considering one of the monsters on the cover is in it Kinda gives a massive spoiler to that question
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Post by Kestrel on Apr 3, 2022 4:21:11 GMT
Hm... just listened to the excerpt again. I normally don't listen to excerpts/free first episode promos because it kind of feels like A.) they spoil a bit of the experience, and B.) they make the wait for release that much harder to endure.
And... yup. Probably not gonna listen to another excerpt any time soon. I had pretty high hopes for the release, and it seems like it's really gonna be just as good as I'd expected. Better, possibly.
And thankfully the excerpt is so short that it doesn't really spoil much. I was really glad to see it start with Genesis of the Daleks because--and I may sound silly by saying this--I was worried they might start elsewhere, because this point of divergence is "too obvious." And getting to hear the "inverse" speech... just a great scene.
Feels like a good complement to Anti-Genesis.
But, man, I was not expecting Colin Baker to be playing the 5th Doctor. That's just... weird. I get why they did it, but I can't help but think I'd prefer either jumping past the 5th Doctor via a time-skip, or bringing in Davison to record a few lines. Like the ideal version of the first episode that exists in my head is just the bit at the beginning with Baker, followed by 40 minutes of the 5th Doctor just falling into complete despair before regenerating. Too much to ask for, I know.
Anyway, I really hope this isn't one of those releases they hold back until the end of the month. This wait is gonna be agony.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 3, 2022 9:25:30 GMT
I’m still hoping that the ‘stranger with the Warrior’s face” isn’t Ol’ Sixie, but someone like Bayban the Butcher or noted thespian and columnist Colin Baker. Considering one of the monsters on the cover is in it Kinda gives a massive spoiler to that question SHUSH! Let a man dream that they’re not going to be so predictable.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Apr 13, 2022 8:20:46 GMT
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 13, 2022 8:32:04 GMT
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 13, 2022 12:46:30 GMT
Finished Episode 1
A Really good story by John Dorney. Great Performances from The Cast and a couple of neat cameos thrown in too
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Post by mark687 on Apr 13, 2022 12:53:59 GMT
An Interesting Release Start with the clear positive the new and established Actors performances in the new takes on the established Roles are really good. So far the alternate universe is more off-kilter then terrible so the whole "Is it better or worse" is not a straightforward answer. Which means like 5DA Forty this needs its 2nd Boxset to stick the landing. There are hints that it's a manipulated Timeline but we don't know by who and we don't know why, at least I'm hoping its that and not Narvin just running a Matrix Projection before "Genesis of the Daleks"! Regards mark687
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Post by melkur on Apr 13, 2022 13:37:45 GMT
3hrs 17? Coffee at the ready!
Slightly busy day today, but am looking forward to (at least) giving parts 1 & 2 a listen before I'm due to go out this evening.
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 13, 2022 18:22:49 GMT
I thought this was underwhelming. There’s nothing new in this, nothing out there or high concept; they’ve just slightly altered the timeline to bring different names in to play existing faces. It feels much more like a box ticking exercise than any attempt to push the boundaries and it never feels like it knows its identity; we just get three different types of story and little cohesion, which isn’t built into the story or any overriding arc. That last episode could’ve spanned a full set with some thought behind it, but equally wouldn’t have been amiss in the War Doctor range because it doesn’t warrant “Unbound” status.
Colin is, well, Colin. Your mileage may vary with that, but I personally want something much more than listening to yet another trilogy of Ol Sixie, particularly when you’ve got War Doctor Begins actually doing something different and is better for it. And half of Aftershocks is spent with the Doctor on trial; surely you can think of something else for Colin?!
Based on what we got, I don’t understand why this couldn’t have been a War Doctor Begins storyline. If you’re going to go Unbound, then actually do it, otherwise a perfectly good range already exists for Time War content and variants of that.
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Post by masterdoctor on Apr 13, 2022 18:37:52 GMT
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 14, 2022 1:29:27 GMT
Honestly I think it started off rather interesting unfortunately I think it became incomprehensible from the second story with things that made no sense whatsoever And third story was okay
I did feel that Nicola Bryant and Geoffrey Beevers were kinda wasted
I do like the new Romana and Borusa
I think the second Boxset should hopefully explain things better
And I think having the Villains from the Android invasion on both the cover and the news article really give away episode 3 which is a shame
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Post by thewatcher on Apr 14, 2022 12:22:16 GMT
So I just listened to first story Dust Devil and dont think I be rushing to listen to the rest. Started good with that return to Genesis of the Daleks scene and hearing 4 make a different decision but then...it didn't work? & for some reason a Dalek can kill Doctor Who so he has to take special potion and this changes his nature? & then we also have the original version of 6 turn up with Peri? So this is not the big What If story I was expecting and what would happen if the Doctor had destroyed the daleks instead its all a boring story. It is not really a proper alternative universe like in some other Unbound stories I have heard just people confused all the time about what is going on. I might listen to the rest at sometime but I don't really see the point of this. Another rubbish story from the usual good Dorney.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 13:59:47 GMT
This was a letdown. I cant recall the last boxset where there was not at least one story that I liked but all 3 were overly convoluted. I think there is one story you could mine from the entire set as an Unbound - Doctor makes the "other" choice in Genesis, time is altered as he and the Timelords did not factor in that it is a fixed point, The Master and The Doctor are side by side as dark allies and The Doctor essentially becomes the monster by using the equivalent of The Moment on various worlds by allowin them to die for the cause. And he now seeks the Presidency rather than runs from it to consolidate his power. I think there is more than a few ideas here that would work in that. But this set is so stop-start. So "its the real Doctor..no it isnt" etc. And as above...why have Android Invasion in the news story and cover essentially blowing the ep 3 twists because we know we have had no androids by then? Odd, odd choice. The Doc on trial was a real idiot, how many times did Beevers tell him they had done this before, many times. And yet it takes The Doctor another 15 mins or so to work it out....what?
The last story was maybe best but if it steals the show...its petty theft. Colin is fab as the more weary President who is almost spaced out from Matrix exposure. But, as above, the android twist is blown.
As noted elsewhere, much of this could be the War Doctor, much could be War Master. None of it really felt very exciting which is almost criminal with a premise like it has....I just kept wondering what this was aiming to do. The Unbounds tended to have an end result, a consequence to the what if. This just felt like an excuse to come up with more Time War stuff. And not very interesting stuff at that.
BUT luckily I also listened to the First Doctor set which is marvellous. So this was not a bad taste that lasted.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Apr 14, 2022 20:13:43 GMT
Yeah... I think I'm kind of with everyone else on this.
It's not that the set was bad. It was a good set of Time War stories. I guess I have a different interpretation to what the Unbound range is than Dorney, and I get that he wanted to do some out-there, 'these don't make sense and it doesn't matter'-type stories, but that's not really what the Unbound series is supposed to be in my opinion.
To me, the Unbound range was a way of telling fresh, new stories, exploring unique circumstances that could only happen to Doctors that existed in alternate realities. Here all the stories could have taken place in almost exactly the same way but with the premise being 'the War Doctor goes back to kill the Daleks and has to face the consequences'. And not needing everything to make sense is fine... as long as the story is followable. Again, this is just my take, but I felt that the stories made too little sense. There was no real chronology to the point where actions just didn't have consequences and I was sort of left wondering what the point of the stories was.
As I said earlier, the set was good for what it was, and I just wish it had been a War Doctor set instead, and that the Unbound range could be left for slightly more unique opportunities. I'll probably still get the second boxset, as my expectations are now for more of this, which I still enjoyed. Actually, I must praise the cast performances, as I thought everyone was on fine form (and Howard Carter's music was excellent as usual). But yeah, I hope this isn't the end of the Unbound series, and I hope more interesting routes are taken next time.
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Post by IndieMacUser on Apr 15, 2022 9:17:35 GMT
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 15, 2022 9:30:04 GMT
And not needing everything to make sense is fine... as long as the story is followable. Again, this is just my take, but I felt that the stories made too little sense. There was no real chronology to the point where actions just didn't have consequences and I was sort of left wondering what the point of the stories was. You’ve hit the nail on the head there. I tried to get this across in my own post, but just couldn’t articulate it at the time. Being on the back foot as a listener is fine, encouraged even, but as you say, the stories made too little sense. There’s very little to cling on to and ultimately you end up disinterested as a listener. You need to justify and earn a story not making sense or why certain elements don’t matter. This doesn’t do that whatsoever and expects the listener to be satisfied by it.
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