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Post by Timelord007 on Apr 15, 2022 11:55:41 GMT
This was a letdown. I cant recall the last boxset where there was not at least one story that I liked but all 3 were overly convoluted. I think there is one story you could mine from the entire set as an Unbound - Doctor makes the "other" choice in Genesis, time is altered as he and the Timelords did not factor in that it is a fixed point, The Master and The Doctor are side by side as dark allies and The Doctor essentially becomes the monster by using the equivalent of The Moment on various worlds by allowin them to die for the cause. And he now seeks the Presidency rather than runs from it to consolidate his power. I think there is more than a few ideas here that would work in that. But this set is so stop-start. So "its the real Doctor..no it isnt" etc. And as above...why have Android Invasion in the news story and cover essentially blowing the ep 3 twists because we know we have had no androids by then? Odd, odd choice. The Doc on trial was a real idiot, how many times did Beevers tell him they had done this before, many times. And yet it takes The Doctor another 15 mins or so to work it out....what? The last story was maybe best but if it steals the show...its petty theft. Colin is fab as the more weary President who is almost spaced out from Matrix exposure. But, as above, the android twist is blown. As noted elsewhere, much of this could be the War Doctor, much could be War Master. None of it really felt very exciting which is almost criminal with a premise like it has....I just kept wondering what this was aiming to do. The Unbounds tended to have an end result, a consequence to the what if. This just felt like an excuse to come up with more Time War stuff. And not very interesting stuff at that. BUT luckily I also listened to the First Doctor set which is marvellous. So this was not a bad taste that lasted. Darn it i was expecting good things from this release, your usually on the money though buddy so my expectations have now dropped.
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Post by relativetime on Apr 17, 2022 16:27:20 GMT
I really wanted to like this more than I did. I saw what the writers were going for, but it’s simply not what I wanted or expected going in. On their own, they’re not bad stories necessarily, but when taken as a whole it didn’t leave me feeling like I’d experienced three linked parts of an overall narrative. There is a great Unbound story to be told here, but I feel like what we got instead was another Time War set that’s more focused on being clever than creating a satisfactory story.
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 17, 2022 16:35:24 GMT
Part of me wonders that if Doctor of war continues after the second Boxset: Destiny I wonder if they will name them after the other Dalek stories think about it:
Doctor of War: Genesis Doctor of War: Destiny Doctor of War: Resurrection Doctor of War: Revelation Doctor of War: Remembrance
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Post by dasmaniac on Apr 20, 2022 1:28:05 GMT
I haven't finished episode 1 but it's far too confusing for what I expected to be a very simple concept. Colin Baker really gives it his all as usual though. He really never disappoints, does he?
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Post by mrperson on Apr 20, 2022 22:32:35 GMT
I'm about 50% through the last episode. I'd say that thus far the main issue is that it isn't so much about what would have been different about the Doctor if he'd touched the wires. It's about sending reality haywire, and the non-bad-doctors doing whatever they can manage to fix it.
We'll see. I was rather distracted with some more than usually intense thoughts about other things at various points throughout this (on a couple long walks). Will probably have to relisten.
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 21, 2022 1:12:19 GMT
So according to an interview Jason Haigh said the whole doctor of war idea came from the scene in twice upon a time where the testimony mentions the Doctor of war
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 21, 2022 7:26:32 GMT
So according to an interview Jason Haigh said the whole doctor of war idea came from the scene in twice upon a time where the testimony mentions the Doctor of war That’s an odd thing to take away. It’s clearly a reference to the War Doctor, of which we’ve got two perfectly good ranges about that’s actually done more than what Doctor of War: Genesis did!
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 21, 2022 9:06:09 GMT
So according to an interview Jason Haigh said the whole doctor of war idea came from the scene in twice upon a time where the testimony mentions the Doctor of war That’s an odd thing to take away. It’s clearly a reference to the War Doctor, of which we’ve got two perfectly good ranges about that’s actually done more than what Doctor of War: Genesis did! Ehh well honestly i think it was just a way of doing a classic who version of the Time War and giving Colin another version of the doctor to play with
Really wish BF would have gotten Lawrence Miles to do a time war like series given his amazing Faction Paradox stuff
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Post by project37 on Apr 22, 2022 7:47:22 GMT
I went into this with an open mind and the highest of hopes. That trailer really had me energized about it. I really enjoyed the energy of Colin's performance, the ear candy of the sound design, and the bold imagery (in the first story especially). But then it rapidly descended into tedious, incomprehensible, obtuse nonsense pretending to be clever. It wasn't! It was actually quite irritating and increasingly off-putting as it went on.
I know a lot of hard work went into making it and it's clear from Colin's performance that he was having a great time. I hope it finds its fans, but for me, this was a frustrating and disappointing listening experience. I found it to be a complete waste of time and it left thinking about the other ways I could have spent my hard-earned $17 USD.
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Post by thegreendeath on Apr 22, 2022 19:08:34 GMT
Funny to me how different the reviews are here than over on Gallifreybase (which are almost uniform in their praise).
From listening to the extract and reading peoples thoughts on both sides, I decided to pass on these. It seemed like it’s not my sort of story. I do appreciate people taking the time to write their thoughts down as it helps me in making wise choices with a limited budget (though I’m always sad to hear when people buy something they don’t enjoy).
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Post by elkawho on Apr 23, 2022 3:58:06 GMT
I actually really loved it, although I agree about the confusion. Yes, I was hoping and expecting something very different, but I did enjoy what they did.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 24, 2022 9:19:53 GMT
Sadly….. I gave up part of the way through part one. I am gutted.
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Post by mrperson on Apr 26, 2022 15:47:48 GMT
This seemed much less about what the doctor would have turned into if he'd killed the Daleks and more of a rehash of things going wrong when you try to change history. Even the presentation of the killer Doctor's bad acts mirrors the TV and series: he's only really shown doing the one thing (aborted-but-still-living versions of himself killed) and everything else about them is exposition. "The things I've done...." If you're going to do unbound, go all in. Show the doctor being this monster. Show him sending these "billions" to their deaths.
(As for confusion, I did think for a time I'd actually set my ipod to shuffle at some point, but I checked against files on the computer and I was listening to it in the right order. I had to relisten to it because I'd spent so much focus trying to work out which doctor I'm listening to at any given point, etc)
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Post by Who Review on Apr 28, 2022 10:32:15 GMT
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Post by sherlock on Apr 30, 2022 8:59:46 GMT
Dust DevilThis was entertaining enough I suppose as it kept my attention and had some cool ideas. No idea why it needed to be an Unbound story as apart from the pre-titles sequence and last scene the basic concept could easily be a regular Time War story. Also the interview talks about how non-linear and confusing this is…it’s really not. There are two storylines and it’s eventually revealed one comes before the other. Hardly rocket science. John Dorney even did exactly the same twist in Day of the Master. It also does a pretty poor job of introducing the Warrior {Spoiler} as he’s barely in it. Alt-Peri gets more of a showing than he does, and she’s not around for long either. So as a result of said spoiler, this story is not really exploring the what if premise at all, other than the universe and time being chaotic I suppose (which again, is the same in regular Time War releases).
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Post by sherlock on Apr 30, 2022 10:47:07 GMT
AftershocksI have genuinely no idea what that was. I think the writers were so busy congratulating themselves for writing something so confusing and complicated they forgot that stories are, you know, supposed to come together at some point. The performances were great but I am so baffled as to what happened. {Spoiler} I think it showed that the Time Lord would actually lose the alt-Time War ensuing from Dust Devil, but the Warrior and the Master use a Dalek device to seal this timeline off…but why is the Warrior amnesiac here and what do all the constant talk of things he will have actually mean?! Was the crime he was on trial for the act of sealing the timeline he hadn’t done yet, as I think that was an implication but I really cannot say for sure. If he’s sealed off the timeline with this new Skaro alliance, who exactly is the Warrior fighting now?
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Post by thewatcher on Apr 30, 2022 10:50:09 GMT
Dust DevilThis was entertaining enough I suppose as it kept my attention and had some cool ideas. No idea why it needed to be an Unbound story as apart from the pre-titles sequence and last scene the basic concept could easily be a regular Time War story. Also the interview talks about how non-linear and confusing this is…it’s really not. There are two storylines and it’s eventually revealed one comes before the other. Hardly rocket science. John Dorney even did exactly the same twist in Day of the Master. It also does a pretty poor job of introducing the Warrior {Spoiler} as he’s barely in it. Alt-Peri gets more of a showing than he does, and she’s not around for long either. So as a result of said spoiler, this story is not really exploring the what if premise at all, other than the universe and time being chaotic I suppose (which again, is the same in regular Time War releases). so true this not an unbound release so different to what the unbound range is
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Post by sherlock on Apr 30, 2022 12:31:31 GMT
The Difference OfficeThank god a more linear story (pointless framing device aside) for the Warrior, though still he loses screen time to the character hinted at in the synopsis. His character does seem widely inconsistent; happy to put in place ruthless policies costing Time Lords their lives in droves and enact a genocidal solution but is very mournful for one death at the end. He’s either the ruthless monster the end of Dust Devil hinted or he isn’t, make up your minds. If they wanted the main twist of the story to be in anyway surprising why on Earth did they put a Kraal on the cover. The Kraals are known for literally one thing, you cannot make that one thing a twist if you’re going to reveal the Kraal involvement before it even starts. It’s equivalent of doing a Master story and making it a twist that he can hypnotise people. Oh and an alt-Romana is in this. Honestly, she could’ve been any other Time Lady. Nothing about her is really particular to Romana. Ditto Borusa, aside from the fact he periodically mentions that he and the Doctor are old friends. {Spoiler} Also who are the Time Lords at war with? I assumed the Skaroan Alliance from the last story was taken out of the equation by the whole sealed timeline thing, but there’s mention of a Dalek alliance again here; which the Kraals are apparently involved in?
This alt-universe is just so poorly defined. “Colin Baker is the War Doctor” is literally the only thing the writers seems to have decided on. Overall this set wasn’t quite a home run. The stories jump from extremities of thinking they’re complicated when they’re not to being borderline incomprehensible, I don’t feel as if I know the Warrior and his universe anymore than I did going in and most annoying is there are genuinely great ideas littering this set but they rarely get used to their fulfilment (the Twin Dalek in Aftershocks and the Difference Office itself being prime examples). And ultimately I fail to see how the central concepts of each story couldn’t have been done in a regular Time War setting. So an unfortunately unsteady reboot for Unbound. I will wait on reviews for the next set.
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Post by nitronine on May 1, 2022 8:32:28 GMT
Surprised at the mixed reaction to this. I really liked it.
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Post by mrperson on May 4, 2022 18:24:14 GMT
AftershocksI have genuinely no idea what that was. I think the writers were so busy congratulating themselves for writing something so confusing and complicated they forgot that stories are, you know, supposed to come together at some point. The performances were great but I am so baffled as to what happened. {Spoiler} I think it showed that the Time Lord would actually lose the alt-Time War ensuing from Dust Devil, but the Warrior and the Master use a Dalek device to seal this timeline off…but why is the Warrior amnesiac here and what do all the constant talk of things he will have actually mean?! Was the crime he was on trial for the act of sealing the timeline he hadn’t done yet, as I think that was an implication but I really cannot say for sure. If he’s sealed off the timeline with this new Skaro alliance, who exactly is the Warrior fighting now?
I seem to recall Narvin saying something about his crime being that he left the time ring behind after killing the Daleks, allowing them progress far faster. But then, I wasn't sure about so much of this. It seemed like at some point, they just sort of stopped talking about trials and the Warrior was president of Gallifrey.
(Or was the trial supposed to happen in some other aborted timeline?). I can only hope the second installment is easier to follow.
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