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Post by coreywt on Oct 24, 2022 2:44:47 GMT
RTD teasing Tennant’s Dr. might be an illusion while now refering to Ncuti as 15th… yeah not buying that we’re getting 3 specials of an illusion.
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Post by timleschild on Oct 24, 2022 7:13:35 GMT
Clothes don't regenerate. Something's amiss here. It's a clue. Clothes don’t regenerate Power of the Daleks and castrovalva prove otherwise Yes when Hartnell regenerated so did the clothes. But when Tom Baker regenerated this was not the case so not clear on why you mention Castrovalva but I will go back & watch it today to clarify. & of course we don't know what exactly happened with every pre-Hartnell Doctor. But to do it now, for the first time in 21st century Who, is a deliberate move on RTDs part.
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Post by shallacatop on Oct 24, 2022 8:21:32 GMT
I’d assume that logo that was leaked is genuine, as it matches the font for DOCTOR WHO RETURNS 2023 at the end of The Power of the Doctor.
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Post by Kestrel on Oct 24, 2022 8:48:39 GMT
I feel like Ncuti Gatwa screaming, "Someone tell me, what the hell is going on here?" is RTD attempting to one-up Moffat's "eyebrow introduction" of Capaldi. As far as first-glimpses of new Doctor's go, those two are right up there at the top. I love it. An illusion as an explanation feels rather unimaginative, like the usual terrible plot cop outs of it was all a dream, amnesia or long lost twin! I almost feel it's the exact same trope, or at least rooted in the same artistic sensibilities. Both cases involve lying to the audience and then trying to act like it's somehow clever if they believe the lies. I think and hope RTD is better than that.
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 24, 2022 8:54:17 GMT
I have not seen it yet (hope I get around to it tonight!!) but some friends at the convention came up with the believable explanation that Tennant actually plays parallel universe 10 who was displaced from Rose's world. Takes into account the thing about the clothes. We agreed that this would be a neat explanation.
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Post by Kestrel on Oct 24, 2022 9:02:06 GMT
I have not seen it yet (hope I get around to it tonight!!) but some friends at the convention came up with the believable explanation that Tennant actually plays parallel universe 10 who was displaced from Rose's world. Takes into account the thing about the clothes. We agreed that this would be a neat explanation. Oh yeah, I'd love to see Billie Piper again, someday. I was actually just thinking about those two... but IMO I think it's too soon to revisit either MC-10 or Rose... what I really want to see is them come back in like 10-20 years so we can have Tennant playing a proper "old man" Doctor (shock white hair, at the very least).
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Post by timleschild on Oct 24, 2022 9:12:32 GMT
OK so how is 10 back theories. 10 didn't want to go remember all that cry baby nonsense? Well in that zone where 13 meets the Guardians of the Edge maybe 10 hung around there? Didn't fully pass through?
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Post by martinw8686 on Oct 24, 2022 14:38:02 GMT
OK so how is 10 back theories. 10 didn't want to go remember all that cry baby nonsense? Well in that zone where 13 meets the Guardians of the Edge maybe 10 hung around there? Didn't fully pass through? "Cry baby nonsense" is a bit harsh, I always thought 10s final moments were rather sweet. I really want this to be a case of 10s back and he needs to solve the mystery of how and why? Also how is Donna involved, as far as I'm aware she's not allowed to remember the Doctor. I certainly think Neil Patrick Harris (Celestial Toymaker?) is involved (not an illusion), but why specifically the 10th Doctor in a slightly different outfit? I'd like it to be a case of introducing the Curator, the Doctor is not a typical Timelord, they are something from an unknown reality/universe, perhaps within their DNA is the buried ability to revisit past regenerations. In the three specials the Doctor must get this hidden ability under control, they may end up cycling through some other incarnations and perhaps until this is under control be at risk of permanent death.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Oct 24, 2022 18:22:53 GMT
Clothes don't regenerate. Something's amiss here. It's a clue. Clothes don’t regenerate Power of the Daleks and castrovalva prove otherwise But not so obviously as here. It's definitely a clue.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Oct 24, 2022 19:32:09 GMT
A thought..as 10 is back, does this mean David is not allowed to do any more 10th Doctor BF stories for the immediate future? Is there a chance for him to do 15th Doctor stories in a few years time ?!
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Post by The Brigadier on Oct 24, 2022 20:06:55 GMT
Clothes don't regenerate. Something's amiss here. It's a clue. Clothes don’t regenerate Power of the Daleks and castrovalva prove otherwise I'm not sure about Power of the Daleks, but I remember Castrovalva, and the clothes definitely didn't regenerate. The Doctor while in post regenerative state stumbled across a cricket pavilion changing room on the TARDIS (every good Time Lord has one..) and changed his outfit in there. But just to throw the cat among the pigeons..go back a couple of stories to The Keeper of Traken and the scene where the Master steals Tremas' body. Did he not rustle up a whole new outfit out of thin air once the body heist was completed? The plot thickens...🤔
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 21:09:33 GMT
RTD teasing Tennant’s Dr. might be an illusion while now refering to Ncuti as 15th… yeah not buying that we’re getting 3 specials of an illusion. RTD is definitely playing games with the 'regeneration' in some way, but I haven't a clue what he's up to...
It's great fun though. I haven't been this excited with Doctor Who for years!
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Post by shallacatop on Oct 24, 2022 21:16:19 GMT
I do think Tennant is the front for something bigger in store, both due to his popularity and also him being the one that’s been seen on location. I do think we will officially see him classed as the Fourteenth Doctor, but equally not everything is as it seems and I wouldn’t be surprised if he shares that incarnation with some other returning faces.
I don’t think RTD would’ve chosen to say Fifteen for Ncuti if it wasn’t the case; it doesn’t take a great deal for these terms to stick and causing confusion is just an uphill struggle.
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 24, 2022 21:38:54 GMT
RTD teasing Tennant’s Dr. might be an illusion while now refering to Ncuti as 15th… yeah not buying that we’re getting 3 specials of an illusion. RTD is definitely playing games with the 'regeneration' in some way, but I haven't a clue what he's up to...
It's great fun though. I haven't been this excited with Doctor Who for years!
Excited? Is that all? I am still hyperventilating.
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Post by timleschild on Oct 24, 2022 21:40:54 GMT
I do think Tennant is the front for something bigger in store, both due to his popularity and also him being the one that’s been seen on location. I do think we will officially see him classed as the Fourteenth Doctor, but equally not everything is as it seems and I wouldn’t be surprised if he shares that incarnation with some other returning faces. I don’t think RTD would’ve chosen to say Fifteen for Ncuti if it wasn’t the case; it doesn’t take a great deal for these terms to stick and causing confusion is just an uphill struggle. But isn't The Master technically 14th Doctor? Even if he the forced regeneration was degenerated?
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Post by anothermanicmondas on Oct 24, 2022 22:08:31 GMT
I do think Tennant is the front for something bigger in store, both due to his popularity and also him being the one that’s been seen on location. I do think we will officially see him classed as the Fourteenth Doctor, but equally not everything is as it seems and I wouldn’t be surprised if he shares that incarnation with some other returning faces. I don’t think RTD would’ve chosen to say Fifteen for Ncuti if it wasn’t the case; it doesn’t take a great deal for these terms to stick and causing confusion is just an uphill struggle. But isn't The Master technically 14th Doctor? Even if he the forced regeneration was degenerated? going into technicalities can be complicated... do you count the war doctor? the metacrisis doctor? and then there is the matter of the fugitive doctor, etc?
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 24, 2022 22:30:46 GMT
Well well.
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Post by Kestrel on Oct 25, 2022 1:06:55 GMT
OK so how is 10 back theories. 10 didn't want to go remember all that cry baby nonsense? Well in that zone where 13 meets the Guardians of the Edge maybe 10 hung around there? Didn't fully pass through? "Cry baby nonsense" is a bit harsh, I always thought 10s final moments were rather sweet. I really want this to be a case of 10s back and he needs to solve the mystery of how and why? Also how is Donna involved, as far as I'm aware she's not allowed to remember the Doctor. I certainly think Neil Patrick Harris (Celestial Toymaker?) is involved (not an illusion), but why specifically the 10th Doctor in a slightly different outfit? 10 and 12 have my favorite regeneration sequences... by a lot. Tenant's was especially poignant as it mirrored both the character's feelings, as well as the actor's and the audience's. Most regeneration sequences, even in Classic, tend to be pretty meta like that. The only real criticism I have is that it is, perhaps, a bit long. But in retrospect I think that's very forgivable considering Moffat wound up having zero interest in revisiting any of the "expanded universe" stuff the RTD era built up beyond River and the Angels. .... Anyway. Those final moments of Power have definitely gotten me stuck in a loop of remembering what I most loved from the RTD era... and what I most hated. In terms of theories, I really hope the justification winds up being more internal than external. The 10th face is back to remind the Doctor that they have unfinished business they really need to get back to. That unfinished business is named Donna. As for NPH... I dunno. I kind of want him to be a new, original character... but, yeah, if he's a returning one I thing Celestial Toymaker fits his whole vibe best. Really excited to see him in the specials and desperately hope he doesn't wind up as another one of those big guest-star characters that winds up being horrifically underused and immediately cast-aside.
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 25, 2022 1:59:42 GMT
"Cry baby nonsense" is a bit harsh, I always thought 10s final moments were rather sweet. I really want this to be a case of 10s back and he needs to solve the mystery of how and why? Also how is Donna involved, as far as I'm aware she's not allowed to remember the Doctor. I certainly think Neil Patrick Harris (Celestial Toymaker?) is involved (not an illusion), but why specifically the 10th Doctor in a slightly different outfit? 10 and 12 have my favorite regeneration sequences... by a lot. Tenant's was especially poignant as it mirrored both the character's feelings, as well as the actor's and the audience's. Most regeneration sequences, even in Classic, tend to be pretty meta like that. The only real criticism I have is that it is, perhaps, a bit long. But in retrospect I think that's very forgivable considering Moffat wound up having zero interest in revisiting any of the "expanded universe" stuff the RTD era built up beyond River and the Angels. .... Anyway. Those final moments of Power have definitely gotten me stuck in a loop of remembering what I most loved from the RTD era... and what I most hated. In terms of theories, I really hope the justification winds up being more internal than external. The 10th face is back to remind the Doctor that they have unfinished business they really need to get back to. That unfinished business is named Donna. As for NPH... I dunno. I kind of want him to be a new, original character... but, yeah, if he's a returning one I thing Celestial Toymaker fits his whole vibe best. Really excited to see him in the specials and desperately hope he doesn't wind up as another one of those big guest-star characters that winds up being horrifically underused and immediately cast-aside. On that note.... I would actually want to see someone trying to "cast aside" NPH. Sounds interesting....
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Post by sherlock on Oct 25, 2022 13:53:22 GMT
New logo and confirmation that Disney+ will host Doctor Who outside UK & Ireland.
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