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Post by bobod on Jan 20, 2016 14:58:13 GMT
I'd still like to follow the thread straight on with the post-Bloodlust audios. That's what we were going to do before we started the Bloodlust re-listen instead.
I could be up for one DS audio and one or two Dorian per week though, they're most half hours aren't they?. Maybe DS each Monday and a Dorian on Wed and Fri? I've heard very little Dorian. Would you be doing them in chronological order or release order? I'd be up for it if it were chronological.
We were going to do Darkest Shadow as part of a Quentin Collins listenthru sometime.
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Post by kimalysong on Jan 20, 2016 15:36:37 GMT
I'd still like to follow the thread straight on with the post-Bloodlust audios. That's what we were going to do before we started the Bloodlust re-listen instead. I could be up for one DS audio and one or two Dorian per week though, they're most half hours aren't they?. Maybe DS each Monday and a Dorian on Wed and Fri? I've heard very little Dorian. Would you be doing them in chronological order or release order? I'd be up for it if it were chronological. We were going to do Darkest Shadow as part of a Quentin Collins listenthru sometime. Well it was going to be release order since that is how more people voted on here (and besides release order is easier for new fans to join in and for people not completely caught up). I kind of wanted to do chronological at first (and may still do that on my own) but I think the argument for release order does make sense. But yes I was planning on either two 1/2 hour regular episodes per week or one hr long special a week. So yes I suppose we could do both Dorian Gray & Dark Shadows at the same time. Didn't want to conflict with the Dark Shadows group listen which is why I planned it for after Bloodlust since I think there is overlap with the fans and didn't want to overwhelm people with too many group listens at the same time (I mean considering there is always new Big Finish also coming out ) I am willing to change where Darkest Shadows goes. I want it to work for as many people as possible and it was more of a bonus release for Dorian anyways. Anyways these were the 2 threads in question notthebigfinishforum.freeforums.net/thread/786/dorian-gray-group-relistennotthebigfinishforum.freeforums.net/thread/834/group-relisten-2-polledit: Was just thinking can also do something like Dorian and Dark Shadows every other week. That would also leave the Dorian Group Listen closer to the October release date of the final series which would be nice in a way (although I may have to speed up Dorian to every week in the later months to make it to October).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 1:26:39 GMT
Ep 6 Loved Quentin saying Amy used to be a lot...louder as a girl. Boy...being on her eps in the TV series, Quentin ain't lying! I love when this really embraces it's soap roots. "There will be another attack....TONIGHT" right before the opening theme. Yeah, like I'm going to turn off NOW! I love that Roger and Liz get a mention as being off in Paris. Along with the first Burke Devlin, Roger is my favourite DS character so it's nice that gets a mention. Love the gentle flirting between Ed and Susan. It really makes no difference to them that she's a ghost...they still love each other. Quentin is my identification figure here - he's the one saying to Maggie that she's gone too far. That there are "normal" people here who have done evil things while she's had her life saved by a "monster" more than once. She still wont see it though - too blinkered, too angry. I love that our teens are on Quentin's side - very scared by the hate coming from Maggie and certainly from Ed. My heart sank a little when Harry sold Angelique out but he was stopping the mob from attacking Collinwood. Angelique even compares the mob to an old fashion lynching - citing their guns and lamps as nothing more than pitchforks and torches. I think this makes it quite explicit that Maggie and Ed are dabbling in far more than just shades of grey. It's evil. Human evil. Though Maggie can't quell the inherent goodness in her when Trask is attacked, she really does sound heartbroken about him being battered but as Quetin says, its her inciting the rabble that caused it. The birth of the Trinity is one of the coolest things I've heard on any BF release. The way Angelique, Barnabas and Quentin all recite their respective roles...chills! It's almost like a silver aged Avengers team assembling I love Tom. Bacon and beer...welcome to the adult world, son!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 2:13:09 GMT
Ep 7 (I'm not a day behind for a change!) Love that Angelique and Barnabas go about 2 minutes without going into their hate-flirt mode. "You never could handle strong women..." indeed! Love this one. It should be noted this is the first story in the second boxset so it's a good time to recap for people listening later. The setting of a town forum allows for that without it being forced that we're getting a catchup. It's a good idea to do a real-time episode (largely a bottle ep, too) as it gives a nice change of pace to whats come so far. Tweaking the format for a bit is never a bad thing. This reminds me, oddly, of all the Simpsons episodes where the town would meet at City Hall and almost always arrive at the stupidest possible conclusion. Maggie saying near the start of the debate "This isn't about picking sides.." becomes laughable when by episodes end that's EXACTLY what each and every resident is asked to do. I love Ronda but when she lost her temper a few times here I wonder if she started to losr the crowd. Making jokes about Maggie's stints at Windicliffe was cheap but BOY, did she lose them when telling Mike he never shuts up about the wife who he's only lost a few days earlier. Maggie made some cheap comments about Tate's morals for daring to be a single mother but making fun of Mike was where this one tilted in Maggie's favour. Maggie is a nasty bitch here. She literally threatens to set her group of vigilantes on Quentin for disagreeing with her - she doesn't even bother to deny that's what they are now. And yes, the shoes line may be the campest line in all of Dark Shadows and that's saying something!
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Post by randomjc on Jan 21, 2016 4:26:26 GMT
Ep 7 (I'm not a day behind for a change!) I love Ronda but when she lost her temper a few times here I wonder if she started to losr the crowd. Making jokes about Maggie's stints at Windicliffe was cheap but BOY, did she lose them when telling Mike he never shuts up about the wife who he's only lost a few days earlier. I've yet to listen to this one. (I've got 40 minutes till tomorrow.) But Every time I heard that line, I always think she's telling off Ed for never shutting up about Susan dying. Still tasteless. This is a low point for Rhonda, I really like her, and those comments are straight from "I'm tired of being questioned about my ability to do my job ever other second." No wonder she can't solve the murder, she spends all her time being bitched at for not solving it in the first half hour.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 4:43:01 GMT
Yeah, it's like when you're in an argument and you shout or say something personal out of anger. You lose the argument there and then more often than not. Sad because I'm 100% Team Rhonda!
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Post by omega on Jan 21, 2016 5:13:50 GMT
Ep 7 (I'm not a day behind for a change!) I love Ronda but when she lost her temper a few times here I wonder if she started to losr the crowd. Making jokes about Maggie's stints at Windicliffe was cheap but BOY, did she lose them when telling Mike he never shuts up about the wife who he's only lost a few days earlier. I've yet to listen to this one. (I've got 40 minutes till tomorrow.) But Every time I heard that line, I always think she's telling off Ed for never shutting up about Susan dying. Still tasteless. This is a low point for Rhonda, I really like her, and those comments are straight from "I'm tired of being questioned about my ability to do my job ever other second." No wonder she can't solve the murder, she spends all her time being bitched at for not solving it in the first half hour. Yeah, it's like when you're in an argument and you shout or say something personal out of anger. You lose the argument there and then more often than not. Sad because I'm 100% Team Rhonda! It's as I noted before, anything less than a culprit locked up in jail, or dead, would not satisfy Maggie and the people she has stirred up. Rhonda is trying to solve a series of well-planned murders in an area she's got no experience in while everyone is looking over her shoulder and having unreasonable expectations on when it should resolved. Ed has presumably been on her back about Susan's disappearance for a few months and now Mike has been bleating on about Melody's murder. Talk about a baptism of fire as sheriff (assuming she took over after Verne Haggerty died in Kingdom of the Dead). Kate isn't helping, her journalistic instinct allowing her to exploit events for the best story, and Maggie's lynch mob is clearly getting more than she can handle. Further evidence that things are not right is that Maggie gets away with taking pot shots at Rhonda being a single mother yet Rhonda really gets it for bringing Maggie's stays at Windcliff into the debate, with her outburst at Mike being the final straw (surely he could be taking a more productive role in events). Rhonda even recognised she'd crossed a line while Maggie was encouraged to take cheap shots and no one stopped the harassment of Rhonda. What hurts more is that Rhonda is one of the few people trying to do anything useful, but is hindered by Maggie's fearmongering, which is just making things a whole lot worse (and potentially much worse to come).
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Post by gljohnson17 on Jan 21, 2016 5:33:44 GMT
I must say the conversations this,time around are remarkable.. perhaps on the first listen through we were trying to solve the mystery before anyone else. There seems to be some early gotchas but luckily the writing has kept most at bay.
The discussion about Maggie is interesting... Angelique has been and always will be the villian.. from the OS to Return to Collinwood.
Not that she doesnt have her moments of humanity.
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Post by bobod on Jan 21, 2016 10:42:15 GMT
Ah, I'll leave you to it then. I've only heard series one and was going to do a big catch up sometime and do it all in chronological order. (I may even leave it until the whole lot is out.) Enjoy.
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Post by bobod on Jan 21, 2016 10:47:06 GMT
I love that Roger and Liz get a mention as being off in Paris. Along with the first Burke Devlin, Roger is my favourite DS character so it's nice that gets a mention. Roger is my favourite too. I miss him from the TV show now it's become the Barnabas, Angelique and Julia Show. (I'm on 605ish). Mind you, I also miss Elizabeth, Carolyn, Vicki (even when she's in it she's not really there any more), David, ... None of whom are in it nearly enough any more. Especially Roger. How I would have loved to hear Louis Edmonds in these audios.
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Post by Rob Morris on Jan 21, 2016 13:07:57 GMT
So much happens in this one, and it’s catastrophic when it does. I do love the Town Hall Meeting.
There’s some bristling dialogue here too. The sniping between the trinity, Angelique’s description of Maggie as "all pitchfork and no reasoning" (love it) and then there’s that gloriously shocking moment where Rhonda throws it all away in one line (which wins for me the best line of the series award).
Totally out of line, of course, but it’s so understandable that she’d snap in the end. And I feel so bad for her when she realises a second later what she’s done.
And Harry and Cody. Aww.
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Post by elkawho on Jan 21, 2016 13:19:02 GMT
My thoughts on the town meeting:
What I don't understand is why no one sees how wrong this is, even after a beaten Trask shows up. Frankie seems to be useless in controlling this crowd. And I can't like Ed as a character at all as he shows absolutely no remorse for beating up a defenseless old man. If they are really about stopping the violence, why don't they demand he be thrown back in jail? Why do they listen to him? And since when is any murder solved in a week or two? No matter how experienced the detective. And Maggie is now using threats of violence to shut people (Quentin) up. I just wonder why no one thinks that it is idiotic for all of these creatures to leave calling cards, one after the other, at these murder scenes. I mean really, a pentagram? Would a witch who has just killed someone do that? It's just too convenient.
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Post by randomjc on Jan 21, 2016 14:55:20 GMT
My thoughts on the town meeting: What I don't understand is why no one sees how wrong this is, even after a beaten Trask shows up. Frankie seems to be useless in controlling this crowd. And I can't like Ed as a character at all as he shows absolutely no remorse for beating up a defenseless old man. If they are really about stopping the violence, why don't they demand he be thrown back in jail? Why do they listen to him? And since when is any murder solved in a week or two? No matter how experienced the detective. And Maggie is now using threats of violence to shut people (Quentin) up. I just wonder why no one thinks that it is idiotic for all of these creatures to leave calling cards, one after the other, at these murder scenes. I mean really, a pentagram? Would a witch who has just killed someone do that? It's just too convenient. From all I remember from taking a few criminology courses in college, most violent crimes, that are solved, are done so within the first 48 hours.
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Post by randomjc on Jan 21, 2016 15:20:09 GMT
Having just listened to Episode 7, this is a much harder listen than I remember. It's dramatic, pulls in so many directions. And this meeting feels so different from the knowledge of the end result. (Yay re-listen.) Also, I would have sworn that it was Ed who called out Tate about his wife's murder. I guess it was Mike, just sounded like Ed to me the first time.
I think I'll just leave this off with my favorite quote.
"Go to hell, Ed."
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Post by kimalysong on Jan 21, 2016 18:34:55 GMT
Not Harry...please tell me he will be alright (and aww Cody! I assume he got the wrong idea but it did make my heart flutter a bit).
And yeah it's hard to feel sympathy for Ed when he is talking to his supernatural wife. Not only does Ed have it in for the supernatural he doesn't care what humans he tramps on to get what he wants. But if I were to guess Susan must have been killed by something supernatural?
Looks like the townspeople are becoming like the monsters they propose to fight. But that is what mob mentality is.
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Post by silverednickle on Jan 21, 2016 19:47:30 GMT
Certainly a great picking up point for the second half of Bloodlust. This has always been one of my favorite episodes. You had nearly all the characters in one episode with limited scene changes, and yet so very much happened that it didn't feel odd. They had a great excuse to remind everyone of what they missed in the first half and set everyone up for an exciting build up to the finale.
Jerry Lacy does a great job making me feel bad for the first male Trask (let's not forget Charity Trask and even Minerva deserves some sympathy). They broke his nose and three ribs!
With the attack, it's interesting how this episode sets up who is where when. It must be that much harder with an audio since fans have to solely rely on the recording.
PS: If you're on the east coast, it's my fault. I was jokingly complaining that this year I wouldn't be running through weekly blizzards. Looks like I've summoned them again. Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 20:01:27 GMT
I love that Roger and Liz get a mention as being off in Paris. Along with the first Burke Devlin, Roger is my favourite DS character so it's nice that gets a mention. Roger is my favourite too. I miss him from the TV show now it's become the Barnabas, Angelique and Julia Show. (I'm on 605ish). Mind you, I also miss Elizabeth, Carolyn, Vicki (even when she's in it she's not really there any more), David, ... None of whom are in it nearly enough any more. Especially Roger. How I would have loved to hear Louis Edmonds in these audios. Yes, I think if this show was made 10 or 15 years later, in the age of spinoffs like The Colbys, Benson and a million others - it would have been good to have "The Collins" With Liz, Roger and co having stories more like the first 150 on TV! I hear fans dissing the early stuff and I think I must have been watching a different show - it was wonderful. I didn't even care about big fan complains like the silver pen saga or Liz's blackmail. I loved it.
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Post by omega on Jan 21, 2016 23:53:04 GMT
Harry's feelings add another dimension to the dysfunctional Cunninghams. Andrew would definitely not like it (perhaps that's another reason they were emotionally distant, Harry knew things would get ugly) and Amy was busy with Tommy. Ironically recent events have made his coming out an easier process. Amy is fine with it, Tom hasn't got any reason to think it's unusual (I only hope that he doesn't get cynical anytime soon) and all the bigotry in Collinsport at the moment is on the supernatural creatures.
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Post by kimalysong on Jan 22, 2016 0:15:34 GMT
Harry's feelings add another dimension to the dysfunctional Cunninghams. Andrew would definitely not like it (perhaps that's another reason they were emotionally distant, Harry knew things would get ugly) and Amy was busy with Tommy. Ironically recent events have made his coming out an easier process. Amy is fine with it, Tom hasn't got any reason to think it's unusual (I only hope that he doesn't get cynical anytime soon) and all the bigotry in Collinsport at the moment is on the supernatural creatures. Has Harry come out yet? I feel this is a bit of a spoiler.... Unless I missed something. I got that Cody liked him but I wasn't sure that Harry felt the same way yet. I guess I am oblivious. I do like the idea that was his secret even if I would have liked to discover it for myself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 0:23:59 GMT
My thoughts on the town meeting: What I don't understand is why no one sees how wrong this is, even after a beaten Trask shows up. Frankie seems to be useless in controlling this crowd. And I can't like Ed as a character at all as he shows absolutely no remorse for beating up a defenseless old man. If they are really about stopping the violence, why don't they demand he be thrown back in jail? Why do they listen to him? And since when is any murder solved in a week or two? No matter how experienced the detective. And Maggie is now using threats of violence to shut people (Quentin) up. I just wonder why no one thinks that it is idiotic for all of these creatures to leave calling cards, one after the other, at these murder scenes. I mean really, a pentagram? Would a witch who has just killed someone do that? It's just too convenient. Isiah's allegience to Angelique is now known and any horror at Ed's action has been lost in the town's hysteria - not to menticon that Isiah is a preacher and yet he's helping the supernatural.
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