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Post by pdt on Nov 12, 2022 16:36:53 GMT
I'm not usually one for kneejerk reactions, but logically I don't see how this can be anything more than pointless. At best, the Doctor has his memory of Cass erased (and vice versa, as she doesn't know who he is come Night of the Doctor) and the whole thing ends up being just a bit of audio clickbait. At worst, and this is my fear... the Doctor goes into Night of the Doctor knowing who Cass is. The tragic, heroic final act of sacrificing his life for someone he's only just met because he's the Doctor and it's what he does gets taken away from him. For the first time, I'm genuinely considering giving a release a swerve for fear it'll diminish the TV series.
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Post by commonman on Nov 12, 2022 17:00:20 GMT
I'm not usually one for kneejerk reactions, but logically I don't see how this can be anything more than pointless. At best, the Doctor has his memory of Cass erased (and vice versa, as she doesn't know who he is come Night of the Doctor) and the whole thing ends up being just a bit of audio clickbait. At worst, and this is my fear... the Doctor goes into Night of the Doctor knowing who Cass is. The tragic, heroic final act of sacrificing his life for someone he's only just met because he's the Doctor and it's what he does gets taken away from him. For the first time, I'm genuinely considering giving a release a swerve for fear it'll diminish the TV series. I agree, I have the same opinion about Five and Peri. On another note, I wonder if Alex will remain Campbell through the whole story or if they will play around with the other family names of David from the EU. It's been a long time since I listened to the last boxset, but he is an amalgation from the entire multiverse like Davros, right?
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Post by Kestrel on Nov 12, 2022 19:00:50 GMT
I'm not usually one for kneejerk reactions, but logically I don't see how this can be anything more than pointless. At best, the Doctor has his memory of Cass erased (and vice versa, as she doesn't know who he is come Night of the Doctor) and the whole thing ends up being just a bit of audio clickbait. At worst, and this is my fear... the Doctor goes into Night of the Doctor knowing who Cass is. The tragic, heroic final act of sacrificing his life for someone he's only just met because he's the Doctor and it's what he does gets taken away from him. For the first time, I'm genuinely considering giving a release a swerve for fear it'll diminish the TV series. I absolutely do not think it'll play out this way, but what might make it work is if the Doctor only ever first encounters Cass in Night of the Doctor, just with different outcomes (Time War shenanigans) resulting in a time loop the Doctor keeps getting deposited back on that ship, with neither of them retaining the memory of the preceding loops. Or, hell, maybe erasing those memories of prior loops is what enables them to break out of the whatever-it-is. We could even explore what the Time War might look like if the Doctor had never regenerated into a "warrior" in a first place. More likely though they'll Just come up with a contrived, last-minute undo button to reset everything.
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Post by tuigirl on Nov 12, 2022 19:05:13 GMT
I'm not usually one for kneejerk reactions, but logically I don't see how this can be anything more than pointless. At best, the Doctor has his memory of Cass erased (and vice versa, as she doesn't know who he is come Night of the Doctor) and the whole thing ends up being just a bit of audio clickbait. At worst, and this is my fear... the Doctor goes into Night of the Doctor knowing who Cass is. The tragic, heroic final act of sacrificing his life for someone he's only just met because he's the Doctor and it's what he does gets taken away from him. For the first time, I'm genuinely considering giving a release a swerve for fear it'll diminish the TV series. I absolutely do not think it'll play out this way, but what might make it work is if the Doctor only ever first encounters Cass in Night of the Doctor, just with different outcomes (Time War shenanigans) resulting in a time loop the Doctor keeps getting deposited back on that ship, with neither of them retaining the memory of the preceding loops. Or, hell, maybe erasing those memories of prior loops is what enables them to break out of the whatever-it-is. We could even explore what the Time War might look like if the Doctor had never regenerated into a "warrior" in a first place. More likely though they'll Just come up with a contrived, last-minute undo button to reset everything.Exactly that.
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Post by Kestrel on Nov 12, 2022 19:25:28 GMT
It was ever thus.
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Post by theillusiveman on Nov 13, 2022 0:52:43 GMT
I wonder if Rakhee Thakrar is no longer working with Big Finish hence why Cass is the new companion
Also the Boxset has only 3 stories and is listed at the same price as a 4 story Boxset so I guess that confirms the 8th Doctor Boxsets are going to a high priced range
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 13, 2022 1:10:05 GMT
I wonder if Rakhee Thakrar is no longer working with Big Finish hence why Cass is the new companion Also the Boxset has only 3 stories and is listed at the same price as a 4 story Boxset so I guess that confirms the 8th Doctor Boxsets are going to a high priced range The last episode is a two parter so it’s still four hours. Rakhee seems like she’s busy with tv work right now tbh. I’ll just be interested to see whether this is a permanent replacement or a temporary one.
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Post by martinw8686 on Nov 13, 2022 1:32:00 GMT
I wonder if Rakhee Thakrar is no longer working with Big Finish hence why Cass is the new companion Also the Boxset has only 3 stories and is listed at the same price as a 4 story Boxset so I guess that confirms the 8th Doctor Boxsets are going to a high priced range The last episode is a two parter so it’s still four hours. Rakhee seems like she’s busy with tv work right now tbh. I’ll just be interested to see whether this is a permanent replacement or a temporary one. I like Rakhee as an actress and Bliss is fine as a companion but for me she doesn't fit as a Time War companion, I always imagined the Eighth Doctor alone in the time war, maybe travelling alone because he knows it's too dangerous. It could work if they killed off Bliss or had a near miss where the Doctor nobly takes Bliss to the safety of a time locked world and tragically says goodbye. For the sake of audio, 8 would need to interact, perhaps with a series of guest characters. I'm intrigued by Cass appearing now, I hope this isn't explained by a reset, I'm interested to learn more of her back story through the time war. A set with or even a single story exploring her run ins with the time lords would be cool, imagine what she's been through that she'd rather die than trust a Timelord.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 13, 2022 2:34:30 GMT
The last episode is a two parter so it’s still four hours. Rakhee seems like she’s busy with tv work right now tbh. I’ll just be interested to see whether this is a permanent replacement or a temporary one. I like Rakhee as an actress and Bliss is fine as a companion but for me she doesn't fit as a Time War companion, I always imagined the Eighth Doctor alone in the time war, maybe travelling alone because he knows it's too dangerous. It could work if they killed off Bliss or had a near miss where the Doctor nobly takes Bliss to the safety of a time locked world and tragically says goodbye. For the sake of audio, 8 would need to interact, perhaps with a series of guest characters. I'm intrigued by Cass appearing now, I hope this isn't explained by a reset, I'm interested to learn more of her back story through the time war. A set with or even a single story exploring her run ins with the time lords would be cool, imagine what she's been through that she'd rather die than trust a Timelord. I feel like it makes sense for him to have companions at the start. He’s trying to carry on with business as usual and travel about away from the War but as time goes on he suffers losses and the Time War is now everywhere he turns, he can’t justify bringing people along anymore. He’s worn down and backed into a corner by the War into we end up with NOTD. I think the main problem with the Bliss stories, aside from them playing catch up on her characterisation due to her not being a planned regular, is that the Doctor winds up working with the Time Lords in every set. Yes it’s always reluctantly but realistically that’s the only thing separating 8TW from WDB. I think 8TW should be much more separated from the War and on the outskirts like the War Master range is. I’m guessing that the reason Cass is around now will probably be along the same lines of what happened with Sheena in the first set. Or possible a part of the Dalek Time Strategist’s machinations. I hope at least Cass isn’t just being used as a temporary stand-in for Bliss as you could have brought Sheena back for that. If they’re really bringing Cass back, I’d prefer them to do it for real and go all out on making her a proper companion and exploring her character.
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Post by Kestrel on Nov 13, 2022 3:25:10 GMT
Strong agree on the need for some solo 8DTW stories.
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Post by mbt66 on Nov 13, 2022 11:12:07 GMT
I cannot fathom why this set is being released in January 2023, which means the Eighth Doctor will have back to back box sets for three months running, and then we have to wait till April 2024 for TW6!
By all means announce this now, but why not have the release date of April 2023? Then it would be an annual release pattern and feel more logical, at least to me.
I’ll be pre-ordering the bundle and probably won’t get around to listening to it until April, so it doesn’t really matter. It just seems an odd marketing decision to say get excited for more adventures with the Eighth Doctor in the time war and to kill any excitement have a sixteen month break between releases.
But then we are having to wait twenty-eight months from the previous Time War 4 cliffhanger until it’s resolution…Big Finish for the love of patience.
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Post by mbt66 on Nov 13, 2022 11:17:31 GMT
I wonder if Rakhee Thakrar is no longer working with Big Finish hence why Cass is the new companion She isn’t in the cast list for this month’s Star Cops release either.
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Post by martinw8686 on Nov 13, 2022 12:37:23 GMT
I cannot fathom why this set is being released in January 2023, which means the Eighth Doctor will have back to back box sets for three months running, and then we have to wait till April 2024 for TW6! By all means announce this now, but why not have the release date of April 2023? Then it would be an annual release pattern and feel more logical, at least to me. I’ll be pre-ordering the bundle and probably won’t get around to listening to it until April, so it doesn’t really matter. It just seems an odd marketing decision to say get excited for more adventures with the Eighth Doctor in the time war and to kill any excitement have a sixteen month break between releases. But then we are having to wait twenty-eight months from the previous Time War 4 cliffhanger until it’s resolution…Big Finish for the love of patience. I must say I'm pleased to be getting three months of the Eighth Doctor in a row but April 2024 does feel like an awfully long wait for a follow up to Time War:Cass. I really enjoyed the Eleventh Doctor:Geronimo!, the third/Fourth set are also booked in for 2024, I imagine the autumn schedule for 2023 is being kept clear for anniversary themed releases.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 13, 2022 17:48:03 GMT
Interesting to note that the Eighth Doctor RPG sourcebook from 2014 states that Cass was originally a companion of the Eighth Doctor but the Time War kept rewriting her history until eventually the War was so severe and all-encompassing that she finally refused to join him and NOTD happened.
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Post by grinch on Nov 13, 2022 18:44:18 GMT
Interesting to note that the Eighth Doctor RPG sourcebook from 2014 states that Cass was originally a companion of the Eighth Doctor but the Time War kept rewriting her history until eventually the War was so severe and all-encompassing that she finally refused to join him and NOTD happened. I like to think in one timeline, a Dalek arrived instead of the Eighth Doctor. With the end result of the encounter being much the same.
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Post by Kestrel on Nov 13, 2022 22:15:21 GMT
I cannot fathom why this set is being released in January 2023, which means the Eighth Doctor will have back to back box sets for three months running, and then we have to wait till April 2024 for TW6! I must say I'm pleased to be getting three months of the Eighth Doctor in a row but April 2024 does feel like an awfully long wait for a follow up to Time War:Cass. I really enjoyed the Eleventh Doctor:Geronimo!, the third/Fourth set are also booked in for 2024, I imagine the autumn schedule for 2023 is being kept clear for anniversary themed releases. Yeah, I'm expecting we'll get some anniversary stuff from (at least) all the original Doctors (no bets on 1/2/3/11+) in 2023, which they'll announce later. If anything, it seems more unusual for them to be announcing any 2024 stuff now, when the 2023 schedule is still so open. Also consider that these characters can and do show up outside of their respective XDA ranges. I could see Big Finish pausing some of the XDAs if they're gonna do a bunch more special releases instead, like Legacy if Time, Out of Time, Peladon, Unbound, etc.
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Post by tuigirl on Nov 13, 2022 22:55:34 GMT
I must say I'm pleased to be getting three months of the Eighth Doctor in a row but April 2024 does feel like an awfully long wait for a follow up to Time War:Cass. I really enjoyed the Eleventh Doctor:Geronimo!, the third/Fourth set are also booked in for 2024, I imagine the autumn schedule for 2023 is being kept clear for anniversary themed releases. Yeah, I'm expecting we'll get some anniversary stuff from (at least) all the original Doctors (no bets on 1/2/3/11+) in 2023, which they'll announce later. If anything, it seems more unusual for them to be announcing any 2024 stuff now, when the 2023 schedule is still so open. Also consider that these characters can and do show up outside of their respective XDA ranges. I could see Big Finish pausing some of the XDAs if they're gonna do a bunch more special releases instead, like Legacy if Time, Out of Time, Peladon, Unbound, etc. To expand on your thoughts.... how likely do we think is it that BF will NOT do a single anniversary release, but SEVERAL boxsets? I personally think they will go full out next year. Just can feel it. This is why there are these large gabs for next year.
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Post by Kestrel on Nov 14, 2022 0:10:57 GMT
I'm gonna say... 70%? Though that may be colored by wishful thinking more than I realize.
I think it's clear at this point that big multi-Doctor blowout stories are extremely difficult to pull of well, and seldom lead to genuinely compelling stories... The Legacy of Time demonstrated that partitioning smaller groups of characters into discrete stories can work well, and Out of Time demonstrated that more focused crossovers could be successful. Meanwhile we've got the Classic Doctors New Monsters range and Peladon that kinda-sorta manage to scratch that multi-Doctor itch without necessarily being proper multi-Doctor stories (while simultaneously making it easier to expose newer listeners to ranges they may not have otherwise been interested in).
Honestly I don't think Big Finish can top Legacy when it comes to doing a whole, "all your toys in one box," thing, so I hope they know better than to try. I think a series of smaller-scale "celebratory" adventures would be easier to make, more appealing to fans, and likely of better quality.
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Post by theillusiveman on Nov 14, 2022 0:24:42 GMT
Yeah, I'm expecting we'll get some anniversary stuff from (at least) all the original Doctors (no bets on 1/2/3/11+) in 2023, which they'll announce later. If anything, it seems more unusual for them to be announcing any 2024 stuff now, when the 2023 schedule is still so open. Also consider that these characters can and do show up outside of their respective XDA ranges. I could see Big Finish pausing some of the XDAs if they're gonna do a bunch more special releases instead, like Legacy if Time, Out of Time, Peladon, Unbound, etc. To expand on your thoughts.... how likely do we think is it that BF will NOT do a single anniversary release, but SEVERAL boxsets? I personally think they will go full out next year. Just can feel it. This is why there are these large gabs for next year. Well 2024 is rumoured to have a 50 years of the fourth Doctor Boxset which means there will be 4 4th Doctor Boxsets in total
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Post by theillusiveman on Nov 14, 2022 0:25:38 GMT
I'm gonna say... 70%? Though that may be colored by wishful thinking more than I realize. I think it's clear at this point that big multi-Doctor blowout stories are extremely difficult to pull of well, and seldom lead to genuinely compelling stories... The Legacy of Time demonstrated that partitioning smaller groups of characters into discrete stories can work well, and Out of Time demonstrated that more focused crossovers could be successful. Meanwhile we've got the Classic Doctors New Monsters range and Peladon that kinda-sorta manage to scratch that multi-Doctor itch without necessarily being proper multi-Doctor stories (while simultaneously making it easier to expose newer listeners to ranges they may not have otherwise been interested in). Honestly I don't think Big Finish can top Legacy when it comes to doing a whole, "all your toys in one box," thing, so I hope they know better than to try. I think a series of smaller-scale "celebratory" adventures would be easier to make, more appealing to fans, and likely of better quality. They could try to do a 6 parter reimagining of the 5 doctors but with 10 Doctors
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