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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 6:33:56 GMT
More John Leeson can never be a bad thing and it feels out-of-character for the Fourth Doctor to just hand over the unit without field testing him. Additionally, it'd also give us continuity buffs the ability to stick the latter day DWM comics where he's in his red suit into the gap. The Neutron Knights ends with the Doctor contemplating his future and the possibility he'll meet Merlin again (little knowing that he will become Merlin himself) after all, so the opportunity for such a placement seems too good to pass up. Perhaps he leaves Adric where they last left off (say for the sake of argument, something Bidmeadian like an exophysics research laboratory on Vadis-5) having seen the Watcher and feeling that he must know himself before the final calamity he's begun to ponder takes place? His refusal to let Adric help him (as in Logopolis) could also inadvertently begin the rapid erosion of the young boy's confidence. I always just placed all the comics together while Romana was away, as one of them outright stated. He leaves Romana, then comes back for her, resplendent in red. Saves having to create an Adricless gap in the first place. After all, in Fourth Doc's long long life, a placement just before The Leisure Hive still gives The Neutron Knights a chance to be a "final season" type of story. See I always did the same, but it bugged me, having Neutron Knights so early in the timeline. I am now moving it to just before Traken as I think it has far more impact there. Now I need to decide if any other red coat strips move with it This thread has taken a marvellous swerve left, hasn't it.
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Post by omega on Jan 25, 2016 6:50:12 GMT
Silly me, it's been a while since I've experienced A Girl's Best Friend in any capacity. Were I saying this on Gallifrey Base there'd be people saying that's a good thing!
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Post by kimalysong on Jan 25, 2016 14:57:45 GMT
Looks like he recorded some short trips
Hope this doesn't exclude some full cast audios with Adric coming soon also
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Post by mark687 on Jan 26, 2016 10:02:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 10:40:43 GMT
More John Leeson can never be a bad thing and it feels out-of-character for the Fourth Doctor to just hand over the unit without field testing him. Additionally, it'd also give us continuity buffs the ability to stick the latter day DWM comics where he's in his red suit into the gap. The Neutron Knights ends with the Doctor contemplating his future and the possibility he'll meet Merlin again (little knowing that he will become Merlin himself) after all, so the opportunity for such a placement seems too good to pass up. Perhaps he leaves Adric where they last left off (say for the sake of argument, something Bidmeadian like an exophysics research laboratory on Vadis-5) having seen the Watcher and feeling that he must know himself before the final calamity he's begun to ponder takes place? His refusal to let Adric help him (as in Logopolis) could also inadvertently begin the rapid erosion of the young boy's confidence. I always just placed all the comics together while Romana was away, as one of them outright stated. He leaves Romana, then comes back for her, resplendent in red. Saves having to create an Adricless gap in the first place. After all, in Fourth Doc's long long life, a placement just before The Leisure Hive still gives The Neutron Knights a chance to be a "final season" type of story. I've always split them down into three blocks: The Iron Legion to Dreamers of Death arc is put post- The Invasion of Time, The Life Bringer to Spider God is pre- The Leisure Hive and all the comics post- The Deal are placed before Logopolis. It all ends up looking something like this: The Invasion of Time The Iron Legion City of the Damned Timeslip The Star Beast The Dogs of Doom The Time Witch Dragon's Claw The Collector Dreamers of Death ~ The Life Bringer War of the Words Spider God The Leisure Hive ~ The Keeper of Traken The Deal End of the Line The Freefall Warriors Junkyard Demon The Neutron Knights Logopolis Why did I do this? Well, reading through all of the Steve Parkhouse comics all at once, I got this impression that a running theme throughout all of them was beginnings and endings with a heavy emphasis on the latter rather than the former. If you watch them back to back, the sudden shift in tone between the optimistic, almost merry attitude of The Keeper of Traken and the more moribund Logopolis becomes rather abrupt, so I thought this motif ran rather nicely between the two, even if it is in a virtually non-existent gap. My reasoning was that if you admit the Parkhouse comics, the events leading up to Logopolis include the Millennium Wars where the Doctor is otherwise helpless as the TARDIS is hijacked, the last hope of a dystopian world dashed by a cruel reality, the Freefall Warriors saving the day with the Doctor otherwise irrelevant, the graveyard imagery of Flotsam and Jetsam's garbage scow and finally the brief glimpse into the future provided by Merlin. String all of these together right before his final adventure and the Fourth Doctor's pensive attitude as he paces in the Cloister Room in 'Part One' seems like the culmination of all these tales; that he has ultimately begun to wonder about his place in the wider cosmos. I think the repeated appearance of the Watcher is the final straw that breaks the camel's back, when he has to finally admit that his time may finally be over and that he should set a course for Gallifrey (although it being Four, it doesn't really last).
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Post by elkawho on Jan 26, 2016 12:35:27 GMT
I just hope he doesn't use the affected, trying-to-sound-16 voice that he used for the boxset. It was the only thing I didn't like about that set, and to listen to that voice and nothing else for a whole story will really put me off.
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Post by constonks on Jan 26, 2016 13:14:53 GMT
I've always split them down into three blocks: The Iron Legion to Dreamers of Death arc is put post- The Invasion of Time, The Life Bringer to Spider God is pre- The Leisure Hive and all the comics post- The Deal are placed before Logopolis. It all ends up looking something like this: The Invasion of Time The Iron Legion City of the Damned Timeslip The Star Beast The Dogs of Doom The Time Witch Dragon's Claw The Collector Dreamers of Death ~ The Life Bringer War of the Words Spider God The Leisure Hive ~ The Keeper of Traken The Deal End of the Line The Freefall Warriors Junkyard Demon The Neutron Knights Logopolis Why did I do this? Well, reading through all of the Steve Parkhouse comics all at once, I got this impression that a running theme throughout all of them was beginnings and endings with a heavy emphasis on the latter rather than the former. If you watch them back to back, the sudden shift in tone between the optimistic, almost merry attitude of The Keeper of Traken and the more moribund Logopolis becomes rather abrupt, so I thought this motif ran rather nicely between the two, even if it is in a virtually non-existent gap. My reasoning was that if you admit the Parkhouse comics, the events leading up to Logopolis include the Millennium Wars where the Doctor is otherwise helpless as the TARDIS is hijacked, the last hope of a dystopian world dashed by a cruel reality, the Freefall Warriors saving the day with the Doctor otherwise irrelevant, the graveyard imagery of Flotsam and Jetsam's garbage scow and finally the brief glimpse into the future provided by Merlin. String all of these together right before his final adventure and the Fourth Doctor's pensive attitude as he paces in the Cloister Room in 'Part One' seems like the culmination of all these tales; that he has ultimately begun to wonder about his place in the wider cosmos. I think the repeated appearance of the Watcher is the final straw that breaks the camel's back, when he has to finally admit that his time may finally be over and that he should set a course for Gallifrey (although it being Four, it doesn't really last). I'm fairly certain that one of the early comics mentions Romana in passing, but it could be one of the ones you've placed in the middle. Although the Watcher didn't appear in the comics as far as I remember? Just checked TARDIS Wiki and his only other appearances are Circular Time and a short story set shortly before The Leisure Hive where Romana sees the red coat for the first time. He could have changed back when he went back for her, mind you, but it does confuse things a bit. I agree with your thematic claims, though. If we ever get a hint of a gap with Adric and Four, I'll likely budge on my chronology.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 19:27:20 GMT
I've always split them down into three blocks: The Iron Legion to Dreamers of Death arc is put post- The Invasion of Time, The Life Bringer to Spider God is pre- The Leisure Hive and all the comics post- The Deal are placed before Logopolis. It all ends up looking something like this: The Invasion of Time The Iron Legion City of the Damned Timeslip The Star Beast The Dogs of Doom The Time Witch Dragon's Claw The Collector Dreamers of Death ~ The Life Bringer War of the Words Spider God The Leisure Hive ~ The Keeper of Traken The Deal End of the Line The Freefall Warriors Junkyard Demon The Neutron Knights Logopolis Why did I do this? Well, reading through all of the Steve Parkhouse comics all at once, I got this impression that a running theme throughout all of them was beginnings and endings with a heavy emphasis on the latter rather than the former. If you watch them back to back, the sudden shift in tone between the optimistic, almost merry attitude of The Keeper of Traken and the more moribund Logopolis becomes rather abrupt, so I thought this motif ran rather nicely between the two, even if it is in a virtually non-existent gap. My reasoning was that if you admit the Parkhouse comics, the events leading up to Logopolis include the Millennium Wars where the Doctor is otherwise helpless as the TARDIS is hijacked, the last hope of a dystopian world dashed by a cruel reality, the Freefall Warriors saving the day with the Doctor otherwise irrelevant, the graveyard imagery of Flotsam and Jetsam's garbage scow and finally the brief glimpse into the future provided by Merlin. String all of these together right before his final adventure and the Fourth Doctor's pensive attitude as he paces in the Cloister Room in 'Part One' seems like the culmination of all these tales; that he has ultimately begun to wonder about his place in the wider cosmos. I think the repeated appearance of the Watcher is the final straw that breaks the camel's back, when he has to finally admit that his time may finally be over and that he should set a course for Gallifrey (although it being Four, it doesn't really last). I'm fairly certain that one of the early comics mentions Romana in passing, but it could be one of the ones you've placed in the middle. Although the Watcher didn't appear in the comics as far as I remember? Just checked TARDIS Wiki and his only other appearances are Circular Time and a short story set shortly before The Leisure Hive where Romana sees the red coat for the first time. He could have changed back when he went back for her, mind you, but it does confuse things a bit. I agree with your thematic claims, though. If we ever get a hint of a gap with Adric and Four, I'll likely budge on my chronology. Yes, splitting the comic run before the deal works well. Until then he's wide eyed and manic, typical Williams Doctor, even when in the new outfit. The Deal features the doctor as a much more sombre figure and this follows through in most of the stories following.
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