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Post by kimalysong on Jan 14, 2016 13:29:11 GMT
Hey guys mod hat on as of right now we don't know what Big Finish future plans are for the 4th Doctor. Maybe they will continue after the Well Mannered War or maybe they won't. It's all conjecture at this point. It's fine to disagree about this but please do so respectfully.
And also do not forget that this is actually the thread for Wave of Destruction
Thank you!
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Post by relativetime on Jan 14, 2016 16:58:14 GMT
I thought Wave of Destruction was an enjoyable ride, but it wasn't all that memorable. I think I have to agree with what some people have already said on this thread; that is, the Fourth Doctor really could benefit from having some longer stories. I understand that the Fourth Doctor is a really big draw for people and that's why Big Finish has pursued the current model for the Fourth Doctor Adventures, but they aren't really stories that do anything interesting with the Doctor and his companion or allow us to get involved with the world around them. I just can't tell if it's because they're too short or if it's just a lack of inspired writing, but something isn't clicking with these stories.
But, as I said, Wave of Destruction - good story, but not anything I'm going to remember next to the rest of Big Finish's releases.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 3:30:55 GMT
Do you not pick up non-Doctor ranges, Si? I never see you commenting on them and there are plenty of spinoffs and other ranges I think you'd like. I got UNIT old & new, Jago & Litefoot which i adore, Torchwood & Counter Measures which you recommended & i enjoyed very much. Yes i had ought to comment more on those other ranges. I think with your tastes in horror and being a fan of serial dramas like Eastenders, you'd really dig Dark Shadows: Bloodlust.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 15, 2016 7:13:01 GMT
I got UNIT old & new, Jago & Litefoot which i adore, Torchwood & Counter Measures which you recommended & i enjoyed very much. Yes i had ought to comment more on those other ranges. I think with your tastes in horror and being a fan of serial dramas like Eastenders, you'd really dig Dark Shadows: Bloodlust. I looked it up, liked what i read & ordered both box sets, cheers David. Hopefully my WOD will arrive today with TWOA & TIN releases.
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Post by omega on Jan 15, 2016 7:17:11 GMT
I think with your tastes in horror and being a fan of serial dramas like Eastenders, you'd really dig Dark Shadows: Bloodlust. I looked it up, liked what i read & ordered it, cheers David. Hopefully my WOD will arrive today with TWOA & TIN releases. I think the translation circuits are playing up, I can't understand what you're on about!
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 15, 2016 7:22:33 GMT
I looked it up, liked what i read & ordered it, cheers David. Hopefully my WOD will arrive today with TWOA & TIN releases. I think the translation circuits are playing up, I can't understand what you're on about! Don't worry you ain't the first person to not understand what I'm on about. WOD - Wave Of Destruction TWOA - The Waters Of Amsterdam TIN - The Isos Network
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Post by bobod on Jan 15, 2016 11:26:11 GMT
I think with your tastes in horror and being a fan of serial dramas like Eastenders, you'd really dig Dark Shadows: Bloodlust. I looked it up, liked what i read & ordered both box sets, cheers David. Without wanting to derail this thread further , there's a Bloodlust listenthru going on in the Dark Shadows part of the forum. We're about halfway through so you'll likely miss out on joining in (unless you start the downloads in the meantime) but do come along and post in the thread anyway once you've heard it. Bloodlust is AMAZING. The crew and the cast are so proud of it. And it's VERY easy for new listeners to get into.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 15, 2016 15:05:55 GMT
I looked it up, liked what i read & ordered both box sets, cheers David. Without wanting to derail this thread further , there's a Bloodlust listenthru going on in the Dark Shadows part of the forum. We're about halfway through so you'll likely miss out on joining in (unless you start the downloads in the meantime) but do come along and post in the thread anyway once you've heard it. Bloodlust is AMAZING. The crew and the cast are so proud of it. And it's VERY easy for new listeners to get into. Thanks, I've left a comment on there.
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Post by kfbate on Jan 15, 2016 17:29:38 GMT
Quite enjoyable indeed. One thing I can't quite put my finger on, but for some reason (and obviously in my opinion) Paul McGann seems equally good in the 1h format as he does in the 1.5-2.2h format. But these Tom Baker stories generally feel a bit rushed to me. I think that for whatever reason (more ambling about and poking things with sticks?), his Doctor needs the longer format. Well-Mannered War audio cliffhanger:
He couldn't materialize or else it would release "the Hive" and that would be a very bad thing for reality. That was the work of the universally powerful being who likes to wear dead birds as hats (Black Guardian)
So he uses the "emergency unit" - the runaway button he had to press at the beginning of The Mind Robber - to escape. It "removes us from reality as we know it."
If this is before the more sombre 4 (and the sombre nature was intended rather than a result of things going on in Tom's personal life during that season), then presumably some rather nasty things happen while he's in unreality.
You hit the nail on the head there my friend, why cant the storys be 75 minutes & have CD extras on the last release covering all the storys of that season? I agree but then I am biased you can never have enough Tom can you......
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 15, 2016 22:31:03 GMT
You hit the nail on the head there my friend, why cant the storys be 75 minutes & have CD extras on the last release covering all the storys of that season? I agree but then I am biased you can never have enough Tom can you...... Tom Baker is a legend & i love hearing his audios but the best ones i enjoy have all been in the longer format. I listened to this tonight & while it was enjoyable adventure i think these stories need to be around 75 minutes just to give them a bit more build up.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 16, 2016 1:27:54 GMT
You hit the nail on the head there my friend, why cant the storys be 75 minutes & have CD extras on the last release covering all the storys of that season? I agree but then I am biased you can never have enough Tom can you...... Or just dump the special features from the disc and make them BF exclusive. Give us more story and more Tom.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 16, 2016 8:59:56 GMT
I agree but then I am biased you can never have enough Tom can you...... Or just dump the special features from the disc and make them BF exclusive. Give us more story and more Tom. I'd just stick the CD extras into a 60 minute bonus disc covering the season on the last end of year release. The 60 minute formula worked well on the Eighth Doctor audios but doesn't quite work on the Fourth Doctor Adventures, in my opinion.
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Post by omega on Jan 16, 2016 9:40:03 GMT
I agree but then I am biased you can never have enough Tom can you...... Or just dump the special features from the disc and make them BF exclusive. Give us more story and more Tom. I like CD extras if they give some insight into the process behind creating the story and bringing it to life. The writer talking about their inspirations, director and actors discussing how they realised the characters, interesting things about the recording session etc. I'd rather not have to listen to how lovely the other people are, actors describing their characters on a surface level (unless it leads into something interesting about any pitches in voice, accents etc about how they played them) and which Doctor the individual members of cast and crew grew up with (you inevitably get the same sort of answers after the tenth or so time it happens). Things that make you think about the story are often good value. The extras for The Nightmare Fair include an interview with the sound designer about achieving the 80's soundscape, such as why you can't just go to a theme park with a tape recorder (anachronistic pop music for example). The behind the scenes stuff with sound designers and directors is fascinating, particularly the though processes that are involved in their roles.
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Post by dorney on Jan 16, 2016 10:33:39 GMT
Its worth mentioning that the story length is determined by how much can be recorded. If you didn't have the CD extras, you wouldn't get extra story, you'd get blank space.
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Post by ljwilson on Jan 16, 2016 10:59:01 GMT
How does that work John? A genuine question as i thought CD's can hold about 80 minutes worth of audio.
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Post by mbt66 on Jan 16, 2016 11:06:18 GMT
Or just dump the special features from the disc and make them BF exclusive. Give us more story and more Tom. I like CD extras if they give some insight into the process behind creating the story and bringing it to life. The writer talking about their inspirations, director and actors discussing how they realised the characters, interesting things about the recording session etc. I'd rather not have to listen to how lovely the other people are, actors describing their characters on a surface level (unless it leads into something interesting about any pitches in voice, accents etc about how they played them) and which Doctor the individual members of cast and crew grew up with (you inevitably get the same sort of answers after the tenth or so time it happens). Things that make you think about the story are often good value. The extras for The Nightmare Fair include an interview with the sound designer about achieving the 80's soundscape, such as why you can't just go to a theme park with a tape recorder (anachronistic pop music for example). The behind the scenes stuff with sound designers and directors is fascinating, particularly the though processes that are involved in their roles. I agree the best type of extras are always hearing form the production team rather than talking to the actors, obviously there are always exceptions. With the "loss" of production and writers notes from the booklet it would be great to have more insight in the extras.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2016 11:13:07 GMT
How does that work John? A genuine question as i thought CD's can hold about 80 minutes worth of audio. Without answering for John, I'm sure he's saying in "how much can physically be recorded with Tom Baker" not literally how much can fit on the disc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2016 11:16:47 GMT
We've had these discussions for years on the forums. We've been told it's not cost effective to have Tom - who presumably comes at a premium - on the 2 disc model of the main range. 2 discs there go for £15. 2 Tom Baker discs go for £22. Big Finish make more by having Tom on hour long standalone releases.
If they made the stories 10 minutes longer I don't think that would do anything much regarding quality and we'd end up pottially losing a release since there's only so much recording time Tom is able, or willing, to give up.
I don't get the liner notes thing at all - they were black and white copy wheras the inner book still uses full colour to promote DWM etc. Surely black and white is cheaper? If the liners are cost prohibitive - why are they part of ranges like Churchill and River, where you can get 4 booklets with full writers liners for £20, but getting 1 set of liners for a main range, early adventure or novel adaptation £15 is impossible? Very inconsistent.
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Post by omega on Jan 16, 2016 11:18:56 GMT
I like CD extras if they give some insight into the process behind creating the story and bringing it to life. The writer talking about their inspirations, director and actors discussing how they realised the characters, interesting things about the recording session etc. I'd rather not have to listen to how lovely the other people are, actors describing their characters on a surface level (unless it leads into something interesting about any pitches in voice, accents etc about how they played them) and which Doctor the individual members of cast and crew grew up with (you inevitably get the same sort of answers after the tenth or so time it happens). Things that make you think about the story are often good value. The extras for The Nightmare Fair include an interview with the sound designer about achieving the 80's soundscape, such as why you can't just go to a theme park with a tape recorder (anachronistic pop music for example). The behind the scenes stuff with sound designers and directors is fascinating, particularly the though processes that are involved in their roles. I agree the best type of extras are always hearing form the production team rather than talking to the actors, obviously there are always exceptions. With the "loss" of production and writers notes from the booklet it would be great to have more insight in the extras. The actors can be interesting if they are talking about how they realised their characters or things you cannot tell from listening to the story itself (or at least not clear from a basic listen), but usually they end up describing them as it is stated on the front of the script. The open mike discussion is far more interesting because you get a feel for the group dynamic, and it's probably the closest we'll get to listening to the greenroom chatter. The Production and Writers Notes from the booklets were a good incentives to get the CDs, at this point a bunch of ads and a retro cover aren't enough to make me want the CDs and I can get the story content through the downloads.
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Post by dorney on Jan 16, 2016 12:00:40 GMT
How does that work John? A genuine question as i thought CD's can hold about 80 minutes worth of audio. Without answering for John, I'm sure he's saying in "how much can physically be recorded with Tom Baker" not literally how much can fit on the disc. Basically, yes.
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