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Post by jadominek on Aug 6, 2023 13:38:05 GMT
We know there'll be Jo Martin's Fugitive Doctor and Sacha Dhawan's Master sets (And I'm sooo pissed-off that there is zero further information about these sets for now ) but do you think there is any chance for more? Thirteenth Doctor, I personally think, will not come to BF audio world soon - too many people just hate her for today. But maybe somebody else? Any ideas?
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Post by mbt66 on Aug 6, 2023 14:45:32 GMT
There has already been rumours that Kevin McNally has already reprised his role as Professor Jericho for Big Finish. But unlike with The Fugitive Doctor and Call Me Master, there has been no official announcement.
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Post by thegreendeath on Aug 6, 2023 14:55:52 GMT
Thirteenth Doctor, I personally think, will not come to BF audio world soon - too many people just hate her for today. But maybe somebody else? Any ideas? I think regardless of how many people like Jodie in the role (I know I’m not alone in loving her era), if she’s interested in doing audio and BBC is cool with it there’s no way BF wouldn’t jump at the chance to have her. The sets will sell well.
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Post by jadominek on Aug 6, 2023 15:22:52 GMT
I know the feeling of being in a very exclusive group within the fandom - I don't like Genesis of the Daleks But to the topic: I'm sure 13th will get her audios (played by Whittaker or somebody else, like 11th Doctor audios) but just not very soon.
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Post by mbt66 on Aug 6, 2023 16:33:29 GMT
I know the feeling of being in a very exclusive group within the fandom - I don't like Genesis of the Daleks But to the topic: I'm sure 13th will get her audios (played by Whittaker or somebody else, like 11th Doctor audios) but just not very soon. Has Jodie made any comment concerning her potential return to the role with Big Finish? Once the anniversary is out of the way I assume she would be able to make an appearance on audio, so perhaps there might be another announcement….when is the next Big Finish Day?! Just because her two predecessors haven’t made an appearance shouldn’t stop her from keeping her incarnation alive on audio! Or am I missing something?
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Post by thegreendeath on Aug 6, 2023 16:58:01 GMT
I know the feeling of being in a very exclusive group within the fandom - I don't like Genesis of the Daleks But to the topic: I'm sure 13th will get her audios (played by Whittaker or somebody else, like 11th Doctor audios) but just not very soon. Has Jodie made any comment concerning her potential return to the role with Big Finish? Once the anniversary is out of the way I assume she would be able to make an appearance on audio, so perhaps there might be another announcement….when is the next Big Finish Day?! Just because her two predecessors haven’t made an appearance shouldn’t stop her from keeping her incarnation alive on audio! Or am I missing something? And considering she did audio drama with Redacted, I shouldn’t be altogether surprised if she’s more interested in doing BF than Smith or Capaldi (Smith because he’s busy and in no rush to return to the role and I genuinely don’t think Capaldi likes expanded media). My guess is if she’s a go, they’ll announce it after the 60th has passed as you suggest.
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Post by jadominek on Aug 6, 2023 18:40:00 GMT
Just because her two predecessors haven’t made an appearance shouldn’t stop her from keeping her incarnation alive on audio! Or am I missing something? I've just presented two possible options: I think I'd like to get Ashad The Lonely Cyberman's backstory as an audio. Why the Cybermen told him to buzz off and everything... That would be cool, I think.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Aug 6, 2023 20:12:41 GMT
There has already been rumours that Kevin McNally has already reprised his role as Professor Jericho for Big Finish. But unlike with The Fugitive Doctor and Call Me Master, there has been no official announcement. From what I recall he verbally said as such at a Convention in front of a crowd. Must have got the "talk" by BF - much like with Marvel Studios all the actors joke about the "snipers" if they confirm anything other than "I am in this movie".
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Post by mbt66 on Aug 6, 2023 20:32:14 GMT
Has Jodie made any comment concerning her potential return to the role with Big Finish? Once the anniversary is out of the way I assume she would be able to make an appearance on audio, so perhaps there might be another announcement….when is the next Big Finish Day?! Just because her two predecessors haven’t made an appearance shouldn’t stop her from keeping her incarnation alive on audio! Or am I missing something? And considering she did audio drama with Redacted, I shouldn’t be altogether surprised if she’s more interested in doing BF than Smith or Capaldi (Smith because he’s busy and in no rush to return to the role and I genuinely don’t think Capaldi likes expanded media). My guess is if she’s a go, they’ll announce it after the 60th has passed as you suggest. She was my initial thought for being in the coda for Once and Future. And now that Tennant has been confirm to be in an earlier episode I am once again thinking about the Thirteen for that final episode.
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Post by cwm on Aug 6, 2023 20:43:36 GMT
I think Jodie doing BF seems more likely in the short-to-medium term than Matt or Peter C doing it, but she's already done Time for the BBC and a series for Paramount+, much like all new series main cast members getting hold of her isn't going to be straightforward. And I don't see how she can be in Once and Future, the logistics don't seem to work out (David Richardson said in Vortex that started out as a six-part series and expanded to eight when Eccleston and Tennant became available).
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Post by enofa on Aug 7, 2023 0:38:13 GMT
I agree that she’s more likely than Smith or Capaldi. Given that BF has a bit of a reputation for taking less loved elements of the franchise and improving them (Sixth Doctor most notably, but also Torchwood), I’d imagine Thirteenth Doctor BF would potentially be quite popular. There are some who genuinely dislike Jodie’s performance, but the overall opinion tends to be that Chibnall was the biggest problem with the era, so having the character with different writers could be seen as a potential redemption for her. As someone who’s not a huge fan of RTD’s first run but really likes Nine and Ten at Big Finish, I’d be very excited for a Thirteenth Doctor Adventures range.
Otherwise, there’s nothing I can imagine being bothered about. I thought Dhawan did a good performance, but I’m kind of bored of manic Joker-like Time Lord villains at this point, and while I don’t hate the Timeless Child thing the way some people do, it frankly just doesn’t really interest me, so the Fugitive Doctor sets are very low on my list of priorities. I can’t think of another character from that era who could carry a spin-off story, let alone a series of boxes.
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Post by timleschild on Aug 7, 2023 11:57:46 GMT
I agree that she’s more likely than Smith or Capaldi. Given that BF has a bit of a reputation for taking less loved elements of the franchise and improving them (Sixth Doctor most notably, but also Torchwood), I’d imagine Thirteenth Doctor BF would potentially be quite popular. There are some who genuinely dislike Jodie’s performance, but the overall opinion tends to be that Chibnall was the biggest problem with the era, so having the character with different writers could be seen as a potential redemption for her. As someone who’s not a huge fan of RTD’s first run but really likes Nine and Ten at Big Finish, I’d be very excited for a Thirteenth Doctor Adventures range. Otherwise, there’s nothing I can imagine being bothered about. I thought Dhawan did a good performance, but I’m kind of bored of manic Joker-like Time Lord villains at this point, and while I don’t hate the Timeless Child thing the way some people do, it frankly just doesn’t really interest me, so the Fugitive Doctor sets are very low on my list of priorities. I can’t think of another character from that era who could carry a spin-off story, let alone a series of boxes. Her era doesn't need redeeming. We also have to take into account that actors who have recently left the show might not want to come back & reprise their role yet.
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Post by enofa on Aug 8, 2023 0:23:33 GMT
Her era doesn't need redeeming. I was talking about the comparative lack of popularity of her era and the general perspective that BF has managed to make less liked aspects of the show well loved, not starting an argument about whether her era was good or not.
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Post by shutupbanks on Aug 8, 2023 9:08:38 GMT
Her era doesn't need redeeming. I was talking about the comparative lack of popularity of her era and the general perspective that BF has managed to make less liked aspects of the show well loved, not starting an argument about whether her era was good or not. It was still pretty popular: all but one of her episodes made it into the top 25 most-viewed shows of the week and that single episode was in the 30. The number of viewers also compared favourably to other programs on free-to-air channels as well. And it was in the 20 most viewed shows on the BBC’s streaming app last year.
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Post by timleschild on Aug 8, 2023 10:49:49 GMT
I was talking about the comparative lack of popularity of her era and the general perspective that BF has managed to make less liked aspects of the show well loved, not starting an argument about whether her era was good or not. It was still pretty popular: all but one of her episodes made it into the top 25 most-viewed shows of the week and that single episode was in the 30. The number of viewers also compared favourably to other programs on free-to-air channels as well. And it was in the 20 most viewed shows on the BBC’s streaming app last year. Yes, we need to remember the bubble us fans live in & how the voices that shout loudest are usually the negative ones.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2023 11:30:54 GMT
I was talking about the comparative lack of popularity of her era and the general perspective that BF has managed to make less liked aspects of the show well loved, not starting an argument about whether her era was good or not. It was still pretty popular: all but one of her episodes made it into the top 25 most-viewed shows of the week and that single episode was in the 30. The number of viewers also compared favourably to other programs on free-to-air channels as well. And it was in the 20 most viewed shows on the BBC’s streaming app last year. Enofa's use of "comparatively" is the important one though. It used to be top 3 on the I-Player, often the most popular. Over 2million people would catch up if they missed it live, that figure went down massively for this era (and was down already for Capaldi but not as much). Jodie's era did have a massive decline but really that's to do with the massive amount who turned up just to see why it was so "controversial" to cast her in the first place. So anyone just showing a graph of figures going down isn't telling quite the story of it. The figures went down steeper than ever though so the retention was poor. What the BBC will be banking on with this new era is that the tentpole eps coming up see a lot tuning in AND sticking about for the future. Doctor Who is one of the most expensive shows in the country - to make the top 25 isn't a hit, it's a minimum requirement in an era where genre entertainment is more popular than ever. Still - now with Disney backing it seems unlikely domestic figures will be as important. I'm sure they will go up anyway but I'm also sure it's not as important as it has been.
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Post by enofa on Aug 8, 2023 12:06:19 GMT
Yeah, I’m not saying nobody watched it or liked it - but I’ve seen far, far more criticism of the era in numerous parts of the fanbase than I ever did any other Doctor or showrunner. It’s not just the especially vocal naysayers, either - on the doctorwho and gallifrey Reddits, there are regular posts from people who are watching the Chibnall era for the first time and really struggling to find stuff to enjoy. And in the Who threads on other forums I use, I never come across anybody who likes it, and these aren’t the hardcore fanbase likely to be haters. And the criticism is very often detailed, with major recurring issues regarding dialogue, pacing, direction, characterisation, the Doctor’s ethics.
Again, I’m not saying all this to pass judgment - I’m not a massive fan, but I don’t actually hate the era either - but to ignore the fact that the era is comparatively less popular than the other new Who stuff would be sticking ones head in the sand. And earlier in the thread someone suggested that this unpopularity might make BF less likely to use Jodie’s Doctor. To which I countered that no - for those who don’t like her TV run, Big Finish will probably be seen as an opportunity for her character to be redeemed.
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Post by jadominek on Aug 8, 2023 12:28:55 GMT
for those who don’t like her TV run, Big Finish will probably be seen as an opportunity for her character to be redeemed. I'd definitely try one set - there was almost nothing I enjoyed in Chibnall's run of the show, but really liked 13th Doctor's first three books, "The Good Doctor" especially.
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Post by shutupbanks on Aug 8, 2023 12:58:24 GMT
It was still pretty popular: all but one of her episodes made it into the top 25 most-viewed shows of the week and that single episode was in the 30. The number of viewers also compared favourably to other programs on free-to-air channels as well. And it was in the 20 most viewed shows on the BBC’s streaming app last year. Enofa's use of "comparatively" is the important one though. It used to be top 3 on the I-Player, often the most popular. Over 2million people would catch up if they missed it live, that figure went down massively for this era (and was down already for Capaldi but not as much). Jodie's era did have a massive decline but really that's to do with the massive amount who turned up just to see why it was so "controversial" to cast her in the first place. So anyone just showing a graph of figures going down isn't telling quite the story of it. The figures went down steeper than ever though so the retention was poor. What the BBC will be banking on with this new era is that the tentpole eps coming up see a lot tuning in AND sticking about for the future. Doctor Who is one of the most expensive shows in the country - to make the top 25 isn't a hit, it's a minimum requirement in an era where genre entertainment is more popular than ever. Still - now with Disney backing it seems unlikely domestic figures will be as important. I'm sure they will go up anyway but I'm also sure it's not as important as it has been. From where I was sitting - halfway around the world, admittedly - I was seeing a show that looked amazing and had tremendous performances in it. Bradley Walsh was a revelation, frankly, and coupled with the cinematography, it felt like a show that was confidently reinventing itself again. I talk with a lot of fans who still adored it and I have students in the demographic that it’s aimed at who were watching it and loving it. That it’s still drawing in an audience after 13 series in the revived form is quite amazing and one that hasn’t been replicated by very many other shows. To be honest, too, most of the criticism I’ve been seeing of the era has also been coming from people who complain endlessly about how woke “everything” has become so I tend to discount a lot of their criticisms. For myself, I’m seeing a show being produced by a production team with a different set of storytelling values than the show had previously, which is what used to happen every few years during the classic era. But I would also love to see what BF would do with the character when they get their mitts on her.
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Post by timleschild on Aug 8, 2023 13:00:54 GMT
Yeah, I’m not saying nobody watched it or liked it - but I’ve seen far, far more criticism of the era in numerous parts of the fanbase than I ever did any other Doctor or showrunner. It’s not just the especially vocal naysayers, either - on the doctorwho and gallifrey Reddits, there are regular posts from people who are watching the Chibnall era for the first time and really struggling to find stuff to enjoy. And in the Who threads on other forums I use, I never come across anybody who likes it, and these aren’t the hardcore fanbase likely to be haters. And the criticism is very often detailed, with major recurring issues regarding dialogue, pacing, direction, characterisation, the Doctor’s ethics. Again, I’m not saying all this to pass judgment - I’m not a massive fan, but I don’t actually hate the era either - but to ignore the fact that the era is comparatively less popular than the other new Who stuff would be sticking ones head in the sand. And earlier in the thread someone suggested that this unpopularity might make BF less likely to use Jodie’s Doctor. To which I countered that no - for those who don’t like her TV run, Big Finish will probably be seen as an opportunity for her character to be redeemed. True but again these are still niche areas (reddit, forums etc). I wonder what it would have been like in the classic era if fans had the same social media outlets. But yes it may make some of the naysayers like her, unless they don't like her because she hasn't got a penis, in the same way that Colin Baker has won over more fans on audio. Going back to the topic I do hope we see some exciting original stories, not just Fugitive Doctor meets Dalek/Cybermen/another Doctor/River Song/Jackie. However with BFs track record I fear thats what we will get.
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