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Post by mark687 on Mar 22, 2024 17:32:47 GMT
Regards
mark687
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Post by sherlock on Mar 22, 2024 17:59:07 GMT
Interestingly not posted on any BBC accounts. Though now there’s rumblings of imminent royal news so maybe that’s why.
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Post by timleschild on Mar 22, 2024 18:08:04 GMT
Interestingly not posted on any BBC accounts. Though now there’s rumblings of imminent royal news so maybe that’s why. Royal news? Or is it further evidence of priority given to overseas territories? STREAMING MAY 10.
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Post by sherlock on Mar 22, 2024 18:20:31 GMT
And now the Beeb has shared it:
So yeah must have been royal news delaying it on British side.
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Post by timleschild on Mar 22, 2024 18:49:47 GMT
And now the Beeb has shared it: So yeah must have been royal news delaying it on British side. So I see. Off topic but rather pathetic that the monarchy still have such importance.
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 23, 2024 0:16:24 GMT
Can’t quite put my finger on it, but this is the freshest I’ve ever remembered Doctor Who being. Like it’s a completely new show that’s just come about. And that’s no slight on any previous eras, series, trailers, etc.; I love it all.
Especially loved the butterfly sequence, can’t wait to see the full version of that. Roll on May.
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Post by timleschild on Mar 23, 2024 8:47:20 GMT
Hard to judge a whole show from a trailer but as a teaser for whats to come it all looks nice with the bigger budget but feels very generic. I guess they're trying to compete with Marvel shows so if capturing that tone was the aim they've succeeded.
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Post by martinw8686 on Mar 23, 2024 14:10:56 GMT
It all looks very impressive but for me Doctor Who is about heart (x2) and quirky inventive idea's.
I'm hopeful the show can look impressive and retain it's heart but I'm wary of comparison to Marvel.
The MCU was brilliant up to Endgame but it appears to have lost it's way. Explosions and razzle dazzle will only take you so far.
Still the wonderful thing about the show is its ability to reinvent itself.
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Mar 23, 2024 14:56:38 GMT
It all looks very impressive but for me Doctor Who is about heart (x2) and quirky inventive idea's. I'm hopeful the show can look impressive and retain it's heart but I'm wary of comparison to Marvel. The MCU was brilliant up to Endgame but it appears to have lost it's way. Explosions and razzle dazzle will only take you so far. Still the wonderful thing about the show is its ability to reinvent itself. The problem with Marvel is putting out too much too quickly. Not taking the time to diversify their tone, and refine their stories. They often start strong, then lose confidence and get messy in the later acts. As long as Russel hires great writers, and doesn't stretch himself too thin, we should be OK. He's run Doctor Who, Torchwood and Sarah Jane Adventures all at once, and has years of experience in the industry, so I imagine he knows his limits and what he's capable of.
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Post by timleschild on Mar 23, 2024 17:16:07 GMT
It all looks very impressive but for me Doctor Who is about heart (x2) and quirky inventive idea's. I'm hopeful the show can look impressive and retain it's heart but I'm wary of comparison to Marvel. The MCU was brilliant up to Endgame but it appears to have lost it's way. Explosions and razzle dazzle will only take you so far. Still the wonderful thing about the show is its ability to reinvent itself. Agree. I think with the extra money the show is bound to look good. What's important is story & character. In other words, writing. As always it's all about the writing. & om the evidence of what we've seen so far from RTD2 for me that is lacking. Time will tell.
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Post by martinw8686 on Mar 23, 2024 19:15:50 GMT
It all looks very impressive but for me Doctor Who is about heart (x2) and quirky inventive idea's. I'm hopeful the show can look impressive and retain it's heart but I'm wary of comparison to Marvel. The MCU was brilliant up to Endgame but it appears to have lost it's way. Explosions and razzle dazzle will only take you so far. Still the wonderful thing about the show is its ability to reinvent itself. Agree. I think with the extra money the show is bound to look good. What's important is story & character. In other words, writing. As always it's all about the writing. & om the evidence of what we've seen so far from RTD2 for me that is lacking. Time will tell. I'm 50/50 on RTD2 writing/story so far. The Star Beast was nostalgic fun and served it's purpose. Wild Blue Yonder was a great creepy episode. I loved The Giggle for it's first 2/3s but the ending was just too simple and I wanted more from the 14/15th Doctor mystery. I like the little I've seen of Ncuti but I thought Church at Ruby Road was poor. Really light weight and not fulfilling as a one off story or for building mythology. I'm a bit more forgiving as it was an Xmas special but not when you compare it to something like The Eleventh Hour, which was the perfect showcase for an incumbent Doctor.
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Post by 20fridge on Mar 23, 2024 20:09:50 GMT
I really loved the 60th anniversary specials and thought The Church on Ruby Road was just okay. I don't take The Church on Ruby Road as indicative of the quality of Season 1. In my opinion, RTD's introductory episodes for new Doctors and his Christmas Specials tend to be his weakest. Rose was my first episode of Doctor Who, and I nearly stopped watching because it was fine, but didn't really hook me. Thankfully, the teaser for End of the World caught my attention and I watched that episode and was hooked. Then there's the Christmas Invasion. It's a pretty strong Rose episode, but Ten spent most of the episode sleeping. I didn't really feel like I had a good sense of how his era would differ (or not) from Nine's. The Runaway Bride is by far Donna's weakest story. I found both Voyage of the Damned and the Next Doctor to be mediocre. As for the End of Time, it's a much weaker finale for Ten's era than Journey's End would have been. All this to say, I am hopeful that The Church on Ruby Road is just another part of this pattern of weak introductory episodes and Christmas specials, and that the 60th anniversary specials are more indicative of the quality of Season 1.
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Post by bethhigdon on Mar 23, 2024 20:34:38 GMT
I'm of two minds about what we've gotten from RTD2 so far.
On the one hand I love cheese and camp and the specials delivered that in spades along with some nice character work. TCoRR perhaps being my favorite so far just for the musical number alone.
However I've really not enjoyed the lore stuff. I've thought that its either been handled pretty clumsily or treated as boring rehashes.
Granted the story isn't done yet so it's hard to judge but I'm not impressed with Flux/Timeless Child crap being used as Time War Part 2 style man pain, and until there's an actual story reason presented for bi-regeneration it's just going to sit there as a really bad/insulting/cringey way to introduce a new doctor.
That said, the trailer hinted that the side effect of the Flux is that the universe is becoming more and more fantasy like and that's interesting. That's a far more engaging hook then whatever RTD is trying to do with the Timeless Child nonsense.
So long as it's not resolved with a big reset button...
Also RTD's biggest weakest as writer is still very much present; unfunny jokes that wreak the mood and derail the plot/development of the characters. But I've come to accept that flaw long, long ago.
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Post by timleschild on Mar 23, 2024 20:40:11 GMT
As a fan of the Timeless Child I'm glad RTD has given it his 'seal of approval' for want of a better phrase. Especially as loads of fans wanted him to retcon it.
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Post by timleschild on Mar 23, 2024 20:42:23 GMT
Agree. I think with the extra money the show is bound to look good. What's important is story & character. In other words, writing. As always it's all about the writing. & om the evidence of what we've seen so far from RTD2 for me that is lacking. Time will tell. I'm 50/50 on RTD2 writing/story so far. The Star Beast was nostalgic fun and served it's purpose. Wild Blue Yonder was a great creepy episode. I loved The Giggle for it's first 2/3s but the ending was just too simple and I wanted more from the 14/15th Doctor mystery. I like the little I've seen of Ncuti but I thought Church at Ruby Road was poor. Really light weight and not fulfilling as a one off story or for building mythology. I'm a bit more forgiving as it was an Xmas special but not when you compare it to something like The Eleventh Hour, which was the perfect showcase for an incumbent Doctor. I am being overly harsh. WBY was brilliant & Star Beast was fun, albeit based on someone else's work. But both that one & the inferior The Giggle are stories I have no interest in ever watching again. Church on Ruby Road was awful, especially when compared to Rose.
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Post by bethhigdon on Mar 23, 2024 20:54:24 GMT
As a fan of the Timeless Child I'm glad RTD has given it his 'seal of approval' for want of a better phrase. Especially as loads of fans wanted him to retcon it. Let's get one thing straight here. I'm criticizing the way the idea is being written as of right now, not the idea itself. If he can present something actually decent then I'll give him his dues, thus far he hasn't and neither has Chibnall. Just because you like the concept doesn't mean its been well implemented.
Also just because someone dislikes something that you like doesn't mean it invalidates their criticism.
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Post by timleschild on Mar 23, 2024 21:12:10 GMT
As a fan of the Timeless Child I'm glad RTD has given it his 'seal of approval' for want of a better phrase. Especially as loads of fans wanted him to retcon it. Let's get one thing straight here. I'm criticizing the way the idea is being written as of right now, not the idea itself. If he can present something actually decent then I'll give him his dues, thus far he hasn't and neither has Chibnall. Just because you like the concept doesn't mean its been well implemented.
Also just because someone dislikes something that you like doesn't mean it invalidates their criticism.
When did I say any criticism was invalidated? I was talking about those people that hate the idea so much they wanted RTD to retcon it.
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Post by theillusiveman on Mar 23, 2024 21:27:50 GMT
Trailer looked incredibly meh
Good visuals and Millie looks good But yeah everything else just looks utterly mediocre
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Post by mark687 on Mar 23, 2024 22:12:36 GMT
Well I liked it found it more engaging then 12 and 13 launch Trailers and more intriguing then the 60th Specials
Regards
mark687
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Post by martinw8686 on Mar 23, 2024 22:21:23 GMT
As a fan of the Timeless Child I'm glad RTD has given it his 'seal of approval' for want of a better phrase. Especially as loads of fans wanted him to retcon it. I feel the execution of the Timeless Child was my issue. I feel like it needed more development across a longer arc. But there's still a lot of great ideas in TC and Flux. I'm happy for RTD to delve deeper and expand on Chibnall's ideas. I'm more of a Moffat fan, but all of the new era showrunners have their strengths and weaknesses. I've realised over time that my previous criticism of Chibnall is more about my preference. I'd be a hypocrite to not acknowledge that Moffat and RTD both have failed to stick the landing on some of their arc idea's.
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