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Post by fitzoliverj on Jun 16, 2024 16:46:18 GMT
You know it’s kinda interesting that there is all this focus on Ruby finding her mother but there was no reference to Ruby’s father at all in the series 🤔 hmmm I wonder why
Because they have no information about him to go on. At least they know something about the woman assumed to be her mother. Once they find the mother then they might get some information to build on. Also, if Kate Stewart's dialogue is anything to go by, RTD thinks that granddaughters are the offspring of daughters, so where would a father come in?!
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Post by timleschild on Jun 17, 2024 17:28:41 GMT
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Post by shallacatop on Jun 19, 2024 7:56:46 GMT
As per RTD’s Instagram, he, Bonnie and producer Vicki Delow are doing an in-vision commentary for Empire of Death.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 19, 2024 13:35:13 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Jun 19, 2024 14:32:53 GMT
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Post by timleschild on Jun 20, 2024 14:15:46 GMT
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 22, 2024 19:58:26 GMT
Before I sign out again, and in the spirit of the finale, I do want to offer what will be my final post about ratings. It's a subject I have given too much time to for years and frankly, isn't as important as this Chicken Little fandom sometimes makes it out to be.
Airing the show in the summer was a mistake, and it's (hopefully) shattered the seemingly sacred exultation of Saturdays as the holy grail day for the show - kids still in exams, we've got a huge sporting event (with another to follow shortly) sucking up attention, the election (obviously RTD couldn't predict that) and we've had a number of warm weekends where families will just do anything else. People's attentions have been divided and the marketing has basically glossed over the BBC One broadcast. All the posters and trailers say the same thing - go to iPlayer. It's felt rather non-urgent hasn't? Blaise.
BUT, and it's a Flux sized but, that tells us everything about what the Beeb (and Disney to a smaller extent) perceive a successful Who in 2024. RTD's said it's not doing as well as he'd like (but what showrunner wouldn't want more?), but it's reaching the 16-34 demo that the BBC struggles with, and all the decision makers are happy with the result. My prior post, with some back up from TV giant Jack Thorne, said that the long game was the prize now - 28 days, but I think it's even beyond just that. Why so much emphasis on iPlayer? Because that's what matters now, and the fact is so much of fandom seems to still be talking about ratings like it's still 2017-2018. Linear is dying outside of live events and streaming, for good or ill, has rewritten the rules and placed a big (if not always fair) emphasis on consumer freedom to choose when to see something. We know full well Who, all Who, has been doing great business on iPlayer (the catchup on iPlayer has actually not been far off from the number the 60th specials got) and clearly is getting numbers beyond what BARB is able to (publicly and really, who but TV execs and nosy fans really care?) catalogue. Space Babies may have got us off to a slow start, but it's not like the show can't rebound - even on just broadcast alone, several episodes have. And that's not counting other metrics - consistent top 20, even top 10 show, of each week, plus good audience share. If, as seems to be the sign, the BBC are thinking long term, that can only be good for us and the show. Broadcast now exists as basically a giant advert for iPlayer.
What of big scary old Disney? The show's been their top live action drama multiple times now on Plus and is always in the top 20. Plus, remember what RTD said? Disney are basically just giving us pocket money, a top up. They aren't putting a lot in, so even if the show isn't always number one, Disney execs aren't losing sleep for a show they basically got for pennies and can air all over the world. Neither the Beeb nor Disney are playing full price for the show on their own - that bit of leeway could easily be enough to see us through future 3s and 4s (and again, that's still thinking in metrics that increasingly become irrelevant). Right now the show's in about as safe, if not as glamorous or flashy, a place as it could be, and nothing to say it can't grow from here or that above mistakes won't be corrected for S2. RTD says the man with the money is happy - I'll take comfort in that.
(And so I depart again. Mrs. Flood may say the Doctor's story ends in terror, but I think not. Night-night!)
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Post by shallacatop on Jun 22, 2024 20:18:50 GMT
The iPlayer stuff is really interesting. I loved the format that the 60th had, with the episode airing on BBC One and then straight to iPlayer for the in-vision commentary, then Unleashed, then over to BBC Sounds for the Podcast, etc. As well as the impressive minutes being racked up on the episodes, they must have been happy with the retention from people spending the best part of 3 hours in the BBC suite.
Seems to have been taken a hit during Season One, with only two in-vision commentaries for the series, the podcast shakeup, which is going for a different audience and the midnight releases which makes everything seem less of an event. It does dent the Whoniverse somewhat. Fingers crossed they get back into the swing for Season Two.
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Post by 20fridge on Jun 23, 2024 0:48:34 GMT
As much as I love the Cybermen and Daleks, it was nice to have a whole season (and, bot that I think about it, 4 preceding specials) where they never made an appearance. Not even a gratuitous cameo (looking at you Moffat). It will make their next returns that much more exciting. I also think it was wise to give the Master a rest for similar reasons.
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Post by timleschild on Jun 23, 2024 18:49:46 GMT
Ruby is a normal person nothing special, but there is more? Is she or isn't she? Make up your mind! & the desperation in his voice when he says "please come back".
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Post by timleschild on Jun 23, 2024 22:53:30 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Jun 23, 2024 23:01:39 GMT
It will be interesting how much the Euros throw up Ratings because so far their low across the broad regardless of show type.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2024 12:24:30 GMT
Not great - and RTD even said as much last week. But it seems clear they knew they'd take a hit domestically in the hope that the Disney collab would see the show reach audiences worldwide. We'll see. Eastenders went to an online first model and their ratings went down too - consolidated, not just overnight which obviously will be smashed to bits. It seems the issue with midnight releases for any show - soap, Who - is some people read their friends thoughts and then don't bother watching. Or see a bad review. Or see spoilers. Or read a quick synopsis. Essentially it's pushing more into the very casual crowd, who may "like" the show, but don't feel the need to see it all when they read about it when getting up on Saturday morning. Before, they'd have just stuck it on at 7pm as...what else is on? The news of a renewal for S3 and S4 can't come soon enough to rest some worries. By this point we were being told to expect news of spinoffs, not the show's future..
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Post by timleschild on Jun 25, 2024 9:45:22 GMT
Do we really think spin offs are going to happen now?
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Post by mark687 on Jun 26, 2024 11:32:15 GMT
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Post by shallacatop on Jun 26, 2024 11:42:12 GMT
Do we really think spin offs are going to happen now? I don’t see why not. If the parent show has been deemed a success and hits the appropriate demographics, then the natural next step is to understand how that can be exploited further, which is typically with the addition of more content. Any spin-off should be “lesser” than the parent show, whether that be through reduced costs, episodes or a differing format, all of which make it something that can justify lower viewing figures, which you’d naturally expect from any spin-off. Off the top of my head, a UNIT spin-off already has sets and cast to help establish it without having to add unnecessary expense. Tales of the TARDIS has proven itself through just one set and archive material, which doesn’t show any signs of slowing down. The Celestial Toymaker animation has shown how scalable telling stories can be with the motion capture; original or adaptations. I could see any of those having a suitable home on BBC Three, iPlayer & CBBC, respectively. And that’s without Disney involvement.
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Post by timleschild on Jun 26, 2024 14:10:15 GMT
Do we really think spin offs are going to happen now? I don’t see why not. If the parent show has been deemed a success and hits the appropriate demographics, then the natural next step is to understand how that can be exploited further, which is typically with the addition of more content. Any spin-off should be “lesser” than the parent show, whether that be through reduced costs, episodes or a differing format, all of which make it something that can justify lower viewing figures, which you’d naturally expect from any spin-off. Off the top of my head, a UNIT spin-off already has sets and cast to help establish it without having to add unnecessary expense. Tales of the TARDIS has proven itself through just one set and archive material, which doesn’t show any signs of slowing down. The Celestial Toymaker animation has shown how scalable telling stories can be with the motion capture; original or adaptations. I could see any of those having a suitable home on BBC Three, iPlayer & CBBC, respectively. And that’s without Disney involvement. Without Disney involvement I can't see the BBC investing in spin-offs. Where would they get the money from? Without Disney I'd rather they invest it in Doctor Who.
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Post by shallacatop on Jun 26, 2024 15:55:06 GMT
Speaking of spin-offs, BECTU, the Broadcasting Entertainment Communications and Theatre Union, have The War Between the Land and the Sea listed to begin filming in September, alongside many other well known British shows. bectu.org.uk/about/earlybird/
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Post by mark687 on Jun 27, 2024 12:41:25 GMT
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Post by timleschild on Jun 28, 2024 10:28:45 GMT
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