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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 11:29:29 GMT
Has anyone watched unleashed, and if so, we're there any tidbits in there if interest?
I confess I haven't checked to see if there's an in-vision commentary, but if there is, same question.
I find most VAM in the same category as the BF podcast. I'm mildly interested in knowing if there's anything of interest in there, but not enough so to actually watch it on the off chance.
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Post by shallacatop on Dec 26, 2023 12:20:49 GMT
Absolutely loved Ncuti & Millie; both hit the ground running and their chemistry really is that of two naughty school kids, which really appeals. Of course the real highlight is Cherry, who takes everything in her stride and is just desperate for a brew; completely relatable.
I think the episode itself was fun, but all over the place. Doesn't really seem to know what it wants to be and just comes across as a series of disparate sequences. Seems to do the trick for a Christmas special, mind. I did like all the little hints towards the future and the more fantasy style.
Roll on May! Presumably The Beatles episode will air as a lead-in to Eurovision?
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Post by number13 on Dec 26, 2023 12:39:01 GMT
That was different! No, that doesn't quite do it. I'll try again. That was {Spoiler} Different!!
That's better...
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Post by number13 on Dec 26, 2023 12:50:04 GMT
More seriously, in a Christmas episode that was obviously trying its absolute maximum to be as uproarious, full-on, eye-catching and generally as headline-grabbing as possible - the Doctor killed the monster, and in a fairly graphic way too.
'Urgh!' was my immediate reaction, then surprise. Forget singing goblins for a moment, that is a long way from the 'I'm a pacifist' ethos of recent years.
I think for me the thing that stood out most was, the new Doctor has got himself an excellent new Companion. I liked Ruby instantly and she's obviously got 'the right stuff' for TARDIS travel. And a whole tonne of mysterious back-story to be gradually unwoven in the seasons to come. Did anyone else think she worked it all out and accepted it very easily - time-travel and the rest of it? Something is clearly Going On....
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Post by bonehead on Dec 26, 2023 13:03:19 GMT
4.73 million watched this on Christmas Day evening. It was the third most popular overnight rating.
It might be worth mentioning for those of us that have an interest in such things that two of the 'big' three soaps had just over two million for Coronation Street (which back in the late 80s was hitting around 17 million against Sylvester's Doctor Who whilst Doctor Who was getting the kind of overnights it's getting now) and just less than two million for Emmerdale (which is set around a farm and was once labelled 'Dallas with dung'. Perhaps that was just in my house).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 13:41:31 GMT
4.73 million watched this on Christmas Day evening. It was the third most popular overnight rating. It might be worth mentioning for those of us that have an interest in such things that two of the 'big' three soaps had just over two million for Coronation Street (which back in the late 80s was hitting around 17 million against Sylvester's Doctor Who whilst Doctor Who was getting the kind of overnights it's getting now) and just less than two million for Emmerdale (which is set around a farm and was once labelled 'Dallas with dung'. Perhaps that was just in my house).I'd say for classic Who fans, it used to be the star vehicle of Fraser Hines for 20ish years. He was offered the "Ken Barlow" role as he put it - the backbone of the show. But Emmerdale crossed over with Who for half an hour, so no-one expected it to do great guns when soaps aren't what they were. Corrie not making the top 10 will see some worry. I'm very glad the Ghosts finale did so well. A truly wonderful show that was high concept AND instantly accessible. These figures bode well, very well, for the final figures in wider context if the catchup numbers stay steady or even close. Who's certainly alive and kicking.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 13:45:57 GMT
I'm missing something here. What's the significance? The significance that we're now at a point where someone born when Eccleston's season was wrapping up production is now a companion can't fail to make anyone feel young! In another "time flies" today is the first time we can say it's been over a decade since Matt was The Doctor....Capaldi's snap regen being 10 years ago does not compute.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 13:52:42 GMT
More seriously, in a Christmas episode that was obviously trying its absolute maximum to be as uproarious, full-on, eye-catching and generally as headline-grabbing as possible - the Doctor killed the monster, and in a fairly graphic way too.
'Urgh!' was my immediate reaction, then surprise. Forget singing goblins for a moment, that is a long way from the 'I'm a pacifist' ethos of recent years.
Well, he brought the ship down to save a baby - we don't know goblin physiology, that could be a flesh wound! It was certainly nowhere near as clear a to-the-death moment where The Doctor is aiming to kill as opposed to save as other debuts like Tennant's "no second chances..." moment and certainly Capaldi's and the clockwork man's battle to the death - another church spire impaling, oddly.
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Post by timleschild on Dec 26, 2023 15:39:50 GMT
Where to start. This was full of the usual RTD tropes & felt like a first draft. Full of half formed ideas rather than a cohesive plot. The goblins were not a real threat, nor were they creepy. & why were they there? Something to do with luck & coincidence? It all felt like a handful of ideas cobbled together. Many of the scenes felt like something out of an ITV sitcom. For a writer who is, despite his flaws, good at character stuff they all felt unconvincing & clichéd. More like caricatures than real people. It seemed like we were just supposed to accept this new duo as being cool & likeable without any good writing to back that up. So I am yet to be convinced by this duo, a shame as I had high hopes for Ncuti but he didn't convince as Doctor Who here nor did Millie as the companion. A very underwritten character.
The plot was so inconsequential & full of holes - the Doctor goes back in time, kills all the goblins, they all magically disintegrate & the mysterious mother is still slowly walking away? Did she not see any of this? & Murray Gold please can you be quiet, even just for 5 minutes! My god this whole episode was coated in annoying OTT score, as subtle as a brick to the face. It's not a silent movie Gold! Let the acting & dialogue breath!
Christmas episodes are often more lightweight & frenetic than usual but compared to The Woman Who Fell To Earth or The Eleventh Hour this was a really poor intro episode for a new Doctor & companion. I don't care about them. The trailer for the new series looked interesting so hopefully things will improve. But on the evidence of this RTD2 era is as bad as I feared.
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Post by number13 on Dec 26, 2023 16:02:34 GMT
More seriously, in a Christmas episode that was obviously trying its absolute maximum to be as uproarious, full-on, eye-catching and generally as headline-grabbing as possible - the Doctor killed the monster, and in a fairly graphic way too.
'Urgh!' was my immediate reaction, then surprise. Forget singing goblins for a moment, that is a long way from the 'I'm a pacifist' ethos of recent years.
Well, he brought the ship down to save a baby - we don't know goblin physiology, that could be a flesh wound! It was certainly nowhere near as clear a to-the-death moment where The Doctor is aiming to kill as opposed to save as other debuts like Tennant's "no second chances..." moment and certainly Capaldi's and the clockwork man's battle to the death - another church spire impaling, oddly. 'A mere scratch!'
I wasn't objecting - remember my Doctor and my era ('peace-loving but not a pacifist', 'the Doctor always looks for a peaceful solution - but he never finds one!') but after the last few years when they went out of the way for the Doctor not to do anything similar, it was a surprise to me at least. And the 'Urgh!' was a reaction, not a criticism even though the scene was a bit - to the point.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 26, 2023 16:05:15 GMT
Not sure how Ncuti couldn't convince anyone he wasn't the Doctor - to me, he's hit the ground running, probably the best since Chris (David, Matt, Peter and Jodie all had a bit of a warm up before they fully clicked and aced it), and twice no less. He's magnetic, a leading man in every sense. In fact, I'd say he's a great synthesis of the last five - Chris' confidence, Peter's gravity, David's humour, Matt's young/old quality and Jodie's friendliness and approachibility.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 16:13:36 GMT
Well, he brought the ship down to save a baby - we don't know goblin physiology, that could be a flesh wound! It was certainly nowhere near as clear a to-the-death moment where The Doctor is aiming to kill as opposed to save as other debuts like Tennant's "no second chances..." moment and certainly Capaldi's and the clockwork man's battle to the death - another church spire impaling, oddly. 'A mere scratch!'
I wasn't objecting - remember my Doctor and my era ('peace-loving but not a pacifist', 'the Doctor always looks for a peaceful solution - but he never finds one!') but after the last few years when they went out of the way for the Doctor not to do anything similar, it was a surprise to me at least. And the 'Urgh!' was a reaction, not a criticism even though the scene was a bit - to the point. Jodie could be every bit the non-pacifist too, and quite oddly cruel as in Arachnids In The UK with her leaving the spiders to slowly die, when she shouts down the "baddie" of the ep for suggesting putting them out of their misery! While in Skyfall her treatment of The Master was....a choice. Making a point of telling him that his skin colour is something the Nazis won't like, then letting the Gestapo take him..
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Post by timleschild on Dec 26, 2023 16:14:04 GMT
For me there was no standout moment where Ncuti convinced me that he was the Doctor. He was charismatics but there wasn't a scene like in The Eleventh Hour that made me go wow. Probably because the whole episode was so inconsequential & forgettable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 16:14:48 GMT
Not sure how Ncuti couldn't convince anyone he wasn't the Doctor - to me, he's hit the ground running, probably the best since Chris (David, Matt, Peter and Jodie all had a bit of a warm up before they fully clicked and aced it), and twice no less. He's magnetic, a leading man in every sense. In fact, I'd say he's a great synthesis of the last four - Chris' confidence, Peter's gravity, David's humour, Matt's young/old quality and Jodie's friendliness and approachibility. You spelt mavity wrong.
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Post by number13 on Dec 26, 2023 16:18:16 GMT
Not sure how Ncuti couldn't convince anyone he wasn't the Doctor - to me, he's hit the ground running, probably the best since Chris (David, Matt, Peter and Jodie all had a bit of a warm up before they fully clicked and aced it), and twice no less. He's magnetic, a leading man in every sense. In fact, I'd say he's a great synthesis of the last four - Chris' confidence, Peter's gravity, David's humour, Matt's young/old quality and Jodie's friendliness and approachibility. I'm not making any judgements until we see him in a more typical 'Doctor Who' story - because both the scenarios have been wildly fantastical and this one made the Toymaker look tweed-jacket-and-a-pipe staid by comparison!
Goblins are for Christmas, not for life.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 16:21:45 GMT
Not sure how Ncuti couldn't convince anyone he wasn't the Doctor - to me, he's hit the ground running, probably the best since Chris (David, Matt, Peter and Jodie all had a bit of a warm up before they fully clicked and aced it), and twice no less. He's magnetic, a leading man in every sense. In fact, I'd say he's a great synthesis of the last four - Chris' confidence, Peter's gravity, David's humour, Matt's young/old quality and Jodie's friendliness and approachibility. I'm not making any judgements until we see him in a more typical 'Doctor Who' story - because both the scenarios have been wildly fantastical and this one made the Toymaker look tweed-jacket-and-a-pipe staid by comparison!
Goblins are for Christmas, not for life.
Yep. Christmas specials are often frothier eps, and RTD ones especially. He's very much a child of the variety show Christmas ep. He does the modern equivalent of Angela Rippon on Morcambe & Wise. I have to laugh at some places saying this "silly" ep was even more proof Disney run the show....when a subplot relied on a TV presenter absolutely NO-ONE outside the UK knows.
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Post by idle453 on Dec 26, 2023 18:08:05 GMT
I'm going to Delurk to make two comments. 1. I see people wondering about the neighbors knowing what a TARDIS is when she seems to be surprised to see it dematerialize earlier. I kind of saw it as she knew what a TARDIS is but didn't realize this was the TARDIS until she saw it leave. Then she knew/remembered. That said, if it is the case i felt the writing didn't convey that properly. (I've been watching since 1981, and as an American PBS viewer, I'm used to seeing the series out of order and with gaps so my views are probably a lot different than most.) 2. I have repeatedly seen people say Ncuti hit the ground running and I just have to say they mean he hit the ROOFS running. IDLE
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 18:20:11 GMT
I'm going to Delurk to make two comments. 1. I see people wondering about the neighbors knowing what a TARDIS is when she seems to be surprised to see it dematerialize earlier. I kind of saw it as she knew what a TARDIS is but didn't realize this was the TARDIS until she saw it leave. Then she knew/remembered. That said, if it is the case i felt the writing didn't convey that properly. (I've been watching since 1981, and as an American PBS viewer, I'm used to seeing the series out of order and with gaps so my views are probably a lot different than most.) 2. I have repeatedly seen people say Ncuti hit the ground running and I just have to say they mean he hit the ROOFS running. IDLE Of course, if she knows what a TARDIS is but doesn't associate a police box with being one, then it's someone with no previous experience of the Doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 18:26:40 GMT
Where to start. This was full of the usual RTD tropes & felt like a first draft. Full of half formed ideas rather than a cohesive plot. The goblins were not a real threat, nor were they creepy. & why were they there? Something to do with luck & coincidence? It all felt like a handful of ideas cobbled together. Many of the scenes felt like something out of an ITV sitcom. For a writer who is, despite his flaws, good at character stuff they all felt unconvincing & clichéd. More like caricatures than real people. It seemed like we were just supposed to accept this new duo as being cool & likeable without any good writing to back that up. So I am yet to be convinced by this duo, a shame as I had high hopes for Ncuti but he didn't convince as Doctor Who here nor did Millie as the companion. A very underwritten character. The plot was so inconsequential & full of holes - the Doctor goes back in time, kills all the goblins, they all magically disintegrate & the mysterious mother is still slowly walking away? Did she not see any of this? & Murray Gold please can you be quiet, even just for 5 minutes! My god this whole episode was coated in annoying OTT score, as subtle as a brick to the face. It's not a silent movie Gold! Let the acting & dialogue breath! Christmas episodes are often more lightweight & frenetic than usual but compared to The Woman Who Fell To Earth or The Eleventh Hour this was a really poor intro episode for a new Doctor & companion. I don't care about them. The trailer for the new series looked interesting so hopefully things will improve. But on the evidence of this RTD2 era is as bad as I feared. I can't say I disagree with any of that. I remember the final shot of the woman walking away and was thinking "how slowly does this woman walk FFS". It really took me out of the story. So for me, "Oh well, let's give it the benefit of the doubt until Ncuti's first story" has turned into "oh well, let's give it the benefit of the doubt until the new series starts". I'm not sure how much more slack I can keep cutting this new incarnation of the show
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Post by bonehead on Dec 26, 2023 19:30:50 GMT
I'm not making any judgements until we see him in a more typical 'Doctor Who' story - because both the scenarios have been wildly fantastical and this one made the Toymaker look tweed-jacket-and-a-pipe staid by comparison!
Goblins are for Christmas, not for life.
Yep. Christmas specials are often frothier eps, and RTD ones especially. He's very much a child of the variety show Christmas ep. He does the modern equivalent of Angela Rippon on Morcambe & Wise. I have to laugh at some places saying this "silly" ep was even more proof Disney run the show....when a subplot relied on a TV presenter absolutely NO-ONE outside the UK knows. Would you not agree though, that Doctor Who predominantly contains the look and feel of a Disney production now? Because that's the thing above anything else that I find hard to get past.
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