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Post by sherlock on Apr 17, 2024 14:12:25 GMT
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Post by timleschild on Apr 17, 2024 14:38:42 GMT
These could be great but I do think this is a very early announcement, September 2025! I hope we get a suitably 60s style soundtrack.
& a new writer for BF, LR Hay. Is it the children's author LR Hay?
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 17, 2024 14:59:59 GMT
It was recorded a while ago and honestly thought it would have been released in 2023 but here we are
It does make me question does this mean that the David Bradley first Doctor audios previously are set in their own universe with this Boxset
Or is this still set in the Stephen Noonan first Doctor era/ rest of big finish
Kinda a shame that they won’t do a follow up to volume 5’s cliffhanger
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Post by andy on Apr 17, 2024 15:05:27 GMT
Interesting one. They can't do audios too close to the Cushing films as they're not BBC licenced, Studiocanal own them. So its the basic setup of "our" show with the style of the Amicus films? But they couldn't do "Susie", Ian as Barbara's new boyfriend, Tom the policeman etc.
Will be fun to see how they do unbound things without just seeming like other Who adventures we havent heard. What will be Unbound about it and not just 1DA? We'll hear I guess.
So Noonan is the "real" first Doctor, Bradley unbound (despite being the one onscreen) now I guess.
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Post by timleschild on Apr 17, 2024 15:10:24 GMT
Yeah I don't like it that Bradley now relegated to Unbound status.
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Post by ollychops on Apr 17, 2024 15:21:14 GMT
It was recorded a while ago and honestly thought it would have been released in 2023 but here we are It does make me question does this mean that the David Bradley first Doctor audios previously are set in their own universe with this Boxset
Or is this still set in the Stephen Noonan first Doctor era/ rest of big finish Kinda a shame that they won’t do a follow up to volume 5’s cliffhanger I'm taking it to be that the first five Bradley sets are set within the main timeline and these new ones are a separate continuity. |
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Post by mark687 on Apr 17, 2024 15:25:27 GMT
Regards
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Post by timleschild on Apr 17, 2024 15:35:40 GMT
Why don't they add the Whoniverse hashtag? It would help.
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Post by bonehead on Apr 17, 2024 15:42:27 GMT
The impression I'm getting - and please correct me if I'm wrong - is that David Bradley (who is 82 today - happy birthday, Mr B!) likes very much playing The First Doctor alongside the Adventures in Time and Space supporting cast, which is fair enough. As they come as a 'package', then it makes sense to have them as an 'alternative' take on this incarnation. I think it's a good arrangement, meaning that fans of this team can enjoy more David Bradley (I know some feared he wasn't working with Big Finish anymore) without it preventing the other BF First Doctor from sharing his adventures with a wider net of companions.
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 17, 2024 15:49:04 GMT
This announcement somehow seems to give less information away than the initial CV leak. I think they've made a real hash of selling it, to be honest, but I think that goes for the David Bradley range previously as they could never really decide what it is. Reading between the lines, I'd assume the opening of these "Unbound" stories is that they'll enter this time fracture and keep it non-commital whether it's own thing or links to the existing range, which itself has always been vague about its status of whether it's part of "core" continuity or not.
I am pleased to hear more from Bradley's interpretation, as I find it very charming and think he's infinitely better than Noonan, though I still maintain the best decision would have been to pair Bradley with Carole Ann, Maureen, Peter, et al. As it stands, with the absence of more Early Adventures or Companion Chronicles, I don't really think we have a "proper" First Doctor range between Bradley and the AAISAT team and Noonan and a recast Dodo. And that's a shame.
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Post by andy on Apr 17, 2024 16:01:00 GMT
This announcement somehow seems to give less information away than the initial CV leak. I think they've made a real hash of selling it, to be honest, but I think that goes for the David Bradley range previously as they could never really decide what it is. Reading between the lines, I'd assume the opening of these "Unbound" stories is that they'll enter this time fracture and keep it non-commital whether it's own thing or links to the existing range, which itself has always been vague about its status of whether it's part of "core" continuity or not. IIRC Carol-Ann Ford was not very happy at not being told in advance she had been replaced as Susan just because an actress played her real life self in the Hartnell biopic. Not coming out and saying they were explicit recasts and allowing the audience to infer they were the same versions, or were pretty much Unbound by any other name, was probably their rationale. So they didnt replace Carol-Anne any more than the films did, would be one view. That was I suppose negated by the AAISAT team being in River Volume 6. Hard to say they arent the real versions after that. Which is why, along with Noonans stories, they probably thought giving this a label was a better idea. |
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 17, 2024 16:01:22 GMT
Surely he's no more Unbound than Colin in Doctor of War? I mean it's him, he's canonically one of the actors who portray the First Doctor. Him playing an alternate version doesn't undo his previous work.
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Post by lidar2 on Apr 17, 2024 16:10:14 GMT
Hmmm, it's a funny one. From reading the announcement I don't think it is going to be just quite as unbound as we might initially assume "we have created a time fracture leading to a separate universe... it might not be canon (or is it?)," so I wouldn't rule out the possibility they are going to mess with established continuity in these adventures and then hit the Reset button when this particular run comes to an end.
The other reason I think they are calling it Unbound is to put clear blue water between the Bradley and Noonan versions of the First Doctor to keep things simpler and more easily distinguishable for customers. Otherwise BF end up with a situation something like Bradley in all the even numbered boxsets and Noonan in all the odd numbered ones, which is potentially confusing for customers and harder to market.
Just my 2 pennies' worth on it all.
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Post by ollychops on Apr 17, 2024 17:00:18 GMT
This announcement somehow seems to give less information away than the initial CV leak. I think they've made a real hash of selling it, to be honest, but I think that goes for the David Bradley range previously as they could never really decide what it is. Reading between the lines, I'd assume the opening of these "Unbound" stories is that they'll enter this time fracture and keep it non-commital whether it's own thing or links to the existing range, which itself has always been vague about its status of whether it's part of "core" continuity or not. I am pleased to hear more from Bradley's interpretation, as I find it very charming and think he's infinitely better than Noonan, though I still maintain the best decision would have been to pair Bradley with Carole Ann, Maureen, Peter, et al. As it stands, with the absence of more Early Adventures or Companion Chronicles, I don't really think we have a "proper" First Doctor range between Bradley and the AAISAT team and Noonan and a recast Dodo. And that's a shame. Agreed - the problem is that they've announced it when it's so far off. I was mixed about the idea from the CV leak and this announcement has done nothing to get me off the fence about it. It's one that I'll be waiting for more details before ordering. |
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Post by andy on Apr 17, 2024 17:03:17 GMT
Surely he's no more Unbound than Colin in Doctor of War? I mean it's him, he's canonically one of the actors who portray the First Doctor. Him playing an alternate version doesn't undo his previous work. Dont see a correlation. Unbound doesn't mean the actor can't be a "real" Doctor. Just that there's something different in the narrative status quo. Colin was playing The Doctor if Tom made a different choice in Genesis. Just having different actors was a nice gimmick for the original run of Unbounds but not needed. If anything it's more interesting to see what's different about their portayal. Besides - the original Unbounds did have Carole-Ann Ford, Nick Courtney, Bonnie Langford and Michael Jayston all playing their same characters as the "real" universe, nothing new. |
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Post by dasmaniac on Apr 17, 2024 17:13:21 GMT
Interesting but makes sense. Big Finish is getting the best of both worlds here. I assume they wanted to explore more untapped areas of the First Doctor era but Bradley may not have been keen on continuing the role without the cast from AISAS? As for Noonan, I think he's decent but my beef with the First Doctor is that so many writers simply don't understand him. I don't like the portrayal of him as an absent minded old guy because that's not really who he was on television.
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Post by ollychops on Apr 17, 2024 17:16:11 GMT
Surely he's no more Unbound than Colin in Doctor of War? I mean it's him, he's canonically one of the actors who portray the First Doctor. Him playing an alternate version doesn't undo his previous work.
Besides - the original Unbounds did have Carole-Ann Ford, Nick Courtney, Bonnie Langford and Michael Jayston all playing their same characters as the "real" universe, nothing new. If I recall correctly - the BBC vetoed BF casting any new actors for Unbound Doctors so I think that using Doctors already cast as the Doctor is their way around it so they can continue doing Unbound stories. |
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Post by timleschild on Apr 17, 2024 17:56:49 GMT
Surely he's no more Unbound than Colin in Doctor of War? I mean it's him, he's canonically one of the actors who portray the First Doctor. Him playing an alternate version doesn't undo his previous work. Just shows how much of a mess the Unbound range is. |
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Post by number13 on Apr 17, 2024 21:27:46 GMT
They can call it 'Unbound' if they like, but what I took from the news story and the 'Cushing Films' reference was the emphasis on lighter tone, high adventure, Technicolor, 'Bank Holiday or Sunday afternoon' viewing.
In Third Doctor terms, I think this will be the 'Season 8' First Doctor, not the 'Season 7' version. 'Terror of the Autons' not 'Spearhead From Space'. True they never did quite such an obvious reboot with the First Doctor, especially while Susan was still with him (so maybe that's the 'Unbound' angle - what if Dennis Spooner had been script editor from the beginning?  ) but he changed a lot from 'The Daleks' and 'Marco Polo' to 'The Chase' and 'The Romans'.
I like the idea and will definitely be boarding the Ship for this new run.
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Post by andy on Apr 18, 2024 1:45:58 GMT
You can - and BF have, often - alter the tone of an ongoing series without making it "Unbound".
I think the problem is this could dilute the entire point of Unbound - something aking to What If for Marvel or Elseworlds for DC. If its just "The 1DA range but pacier"? I dont get it.
We also had a few words on here the other day about Big Finish's age issue. David Bradley will be nearly 84 when the first of these hits. Nobody wants to be morbid but is there any kind of strategy for Big Finish to remain long term? As through retirement or..that...a lot of the casts - a lot - simply will not be here in 10 years for audio. 20 years working for councils in Lancashire with statistics in age showed me that the hard way. A massive chunk of the casts are above the average life expectancy. Some that are under are heavy smokers.
When even Janet Fielding is in her 70s, I do ask an uncomfortable question sometimes - is there really any idea of keeping Big Finish going? Jason and Nick are about retirement age. David Richardson did retire from his full post. Is Big Finish just their works and then no real interest to keep it? Just let the rights revert? Guys in their 60s producing talent in their 80s is not a business model for the future.
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) but he changed a lot from 'The Daleks' and 'Marco Polo' to 'The Chase' and 'The Romans'.