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Post by Star Platinum on May 10, 2024 15:10:27 GMT
Over all I like to think this is a very positive forum for doctor who and big finish discussions. Yes, we have bad apples like Timmy there, and their sock puppet accounts they occasionally break out, but again they just ever so slightly stick a toe over the line and play the victim the moment they get called out about it. Frankly, you should have seen their endless moaning about once and future last year, only to reveal they had neither listened or even bought the set. They’ve already chased away several members from the original forum with their hostility, yet the mods seem to be content to allow their passive aggressive conduct to persist. Sock puppet accounts Platinummy? You really want to start that nonsense up again? Any issues with me please use the report function, as I will do if this behaviour resurfaces. It is inappropriate to start discussing perceived behaviour of forum members with newer members. Give it a rest will you? You have no right to dictate how I post on this website, I shall post what I like, and discuss matters of my choosing with whomever I see fit. Perhaps if you were a respectable member of this forum I would respect your wishes, but your persistent behaviour during your entire time on this forum gives me no cause to show the slightest bit of concern for what you consider appropriate or not. Just as a side note, Andy was a migrant from the original big finish forum, so while he may be new by join date, I would grant him more respect and seniority on this forum than you currently have, but given the regard that I personally hold for you, and this forum’s collective view of you in general, that is an exceptionally low bar to clear.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2024 15:14:17 GMT
Sock puppet accounts Platinummy? You really want to start that nonsense up again? Any issues with me please use the report function, as I will do if this behaviour resurfaces. It is inappropriate to start discussing perceived behaviour of forum members with newer members. Give it a rest will you? You have no right to dictate how I post on this website, I shall post what I like, and discuss matters of my choosing with whomever I see fit. Perhaps if you were a respectable member of this forum I would respect your wishes, but your persistent behaviour during your entire time on this forum gives me no cause to show the slightest bit of concern for what you consider appropriate or not. Just as a side note, Andy was a migrant from the original big finish forum, so while he may be new by join date, I would grant him more respect and seniority on this forum than you currently have, but given the regard that I personally hold for you, and this forum’s collective view of you in general, that is an exceptionally low bar to clear. How he acts is on display....amazes me someone can openly act so dickishly, no-one defending the BS, everyone else liking the posts saying "Just...shut up" - and mods let it all go. What a place. BF Listeners was bad, this is almost parody that one person acts so trollishly and obviously. This doesnt need much insight to see his agenda.. MODS - this is what a troll does. Not one big attack but lots of little ones, then says a nice thing every 10 posts to cover it. He just did to a mod in another thread. Not surprised to hear he criticises audios then says he never heard them. Probably one of the classic "kicked off Gallifrey Base, joins any other Who place that will take them". types This was how "Timmy" welcomed me. His now usual flippant comment, then some snide one-word stuff. I asked the mods "is this how we get a hello here?" - no response. The post above mine was my first. notthebigfinishforum.freeforums.net/thread/5/day?page=1089&scrollTo=367858
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Post by timleschild on May 10, 2024 15:38:35 GMT
Give it a rest will you? You have no right to dictate how I post on this website, I shall post what I like, and discuss matters of my choosing with whomever I see fit. Perhaps if you were a respectable member of this forum I would respect your wishes, but your persistent behaviour during your entire time on this forum gives me no cause to show the slightest bit of concern for what you consider appropriate or not. Just as a side note, Andy was a migrant from the original big finish forum, so while he may be new by join date, I would grant him more respect and seniority on this forum than you currently have, but given the regard that I personally hold for you, and this forum’s collective view of you in general, that is an exceptionally low bar to clear. How he acts is on display....amazes me someone can openly act so dickishly, no-one defending the BS, everyone else liking the posts saying "Just...shut up" - and mods let it all go. What a place. BF Listeners was bad, this is almost parody that one person acts so trollishly and obviously. This doesnt need much insight to see his agenda.. MODS - this is what a troll does. Not one big attack but lots of little ones, then says a nice thing every 10 posts to cover it. He just did to a mod in another thread. Not surprised to hear he criticises audios then says he never heard them. Probably one of the classic "kicked off Gallifrey Base, joins any other Who place that will take them". types This was how "Timmy" welcomed me. His now usual flippant comment, then some snide one-word stuff. I asked the mods "is this how we get a hello here?" - no response. The post above mine was my first. notthebigfinishforum.freeforums.net/thread/5/day?page=1089&scrollTo=367858Not kicked off Gallifrey Base. Never been on there. Just one of the errors in your post. But I will not respond to any more of these accusations & taunts. Just take appropriate actions.
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Post by Star Platinum on May 10, 2024 15:41:37 GMT
How he acts is on display....amazes me someone can openly act so dickishly, no-one defending the BS, everyone else liking the posts saying "Just...shut up" - and mods let it all go. What a place. BF Listeners was bad, this is almost parody that one person acts so trollishly and obviously. This doesnt need much insight to see his agenda.. MODS - this is what a troll does. Not one big attack but lots of little ones, then says a nice thing every 10 posts to cover it. He just did to a mod in another thread. Not surprised to hear he criticises audios then says he never heard them. Probably one of the classic "kicked off Gallifrey Base, joins any other Who place that will take them". types This was how "Timmy" welcomed me. His now usual flippant comment, then some snide one-word stuff. I asked the mods "is this how we get a hello here?" - no response. The post above mine was my first. notthebigfinishforum.freeforums.net/thread/5/day?page=1089&scrollTo=367858Not kicked off Gallifrey Base. Never been on there. Just one of the errors in your post. But I will not respond to any more of these accusations & taunts. Just take appropriate actions. 🥱
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Post by timleschild on May 10, 2024 16:28:22 GMT
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Post by Ela on May 10, 2024 16:47:52 GMT
Mod note: Please quit with the attacks on each other. The report function is available if you have a problem with how others post.
And there are no sock puppet accounts. We disable any suspicous accounts. If you see an account currently posting that you suspect of not being a legitimate account, use the report function.
Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2024 17:03:05 GMT
Mod note: Please quit with the attacks on each other. The report function is available if you have a problem with how others post. And there are no sock puppet accounts. We disable any suspicous accounts. If you see an account currently posting that you suspect of not being a legitimate account, use the report function. Thanks. I did. I didn't like this Timeless guy jumping on me from my first post (that is linked above) - reported it. Nothing back. Why are snide comments allowed? Why didn't I get a response? Why is it mods like each others posts asking for calm but all the actual members seem to think one person is an issue. Does that not stand out as a problem, or is everyone else but the mods wrong about the same thing?
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Post by Ela on May 10, 2024 17:57:00 GMT
Mod note: Please quit with the attacks on each other. The report function is available if you have a problem with how others post. And there are no sock puppet accounts. We disable any suspicous accounts. If you see an account currently posting that you suspect of not being a legitimate account, use the report function. Thanks. I did. I didn't like this Timeless guy jumping on me from my first post (that is linked above) - reported it. Nothing back. Why are snide comments allowed? Why didn't I get a response? Why is it mods like each others posts asking for calm but all the actual members seem to think one person is an issue. Does that not stand out as a problem, or is everyone else but the mods wrong about the same thing? You are relatively new here so I will repeat something we have said many times in this forum: We moderators read and carefully consider every report. Forum members will usually not be aware of the results of our discussion or of any action that we take on each report. And there's been a fair amount of people jumping on each other recently and not all of it (or even a majority of it) is from the person you reported.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2024 18:21:09 GMT
I did. I didn't like this Timeless guy jumping on me from my first post (that is linked above) - reported it. Nothing back. Why are snide comments allowed? Why didn't I get a response? Why is it mods like each others posts asking for calm but all the actual members seem to think one person is an issue. Does that not stand out as a problem, or is everyone else but the mods wrong about the same thing? You are relatively new here so I will repeat something we have said many times in this forum: We moderators read and carefully consider every report. Forum members will usually not be aware of the results of our discussion or of any action that we take on each report. And there's been a fair amount of people jumping on each other recently and not all of it (or even a majority of it) is from the person you reported. Novel idea. RESPOND. I join, post to say hi and this Timeless guy acts like he did above. I report it. Nothing done, no "thanks for the message". That's not just bad moderation - it's bad manners. When someone asks, authority should answer. You dont need to be Poirot to work out who it appears almost everyone not a mod thinks is the bad apple. But even worse is pretending it's perfectly ripe. Because his comments are all just nasty enough to get to people but not enough to be "technically" against any rule - despite LOADS of people here feeling peeved. Why don't you care what they think? Look how many are liking comments raising concerns. And how many like the other sides. Though, look without me. Bonehead and Number13 told me people left here en masse after over a decade of being a part because of him and the mods lack of action. Well, I'll join them. Enjoy the echo chamber.
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Post by bethhigdon on May 10, 2024 18:50:57 GMT
Insert you own pot meet kettle meme here folks
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Post by nardolespinoffwhen on May 10, 2024 21:40:59 GMT
I'm excited for the episode 👍
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Post by Whovitt on May 11, 2024 1:21:19 GMT
After a fairly lowkey opener, this episode was a lot of fun to watch! Plot-wise, I still wouldn't say it's anything exceptional, but the concept of Maestro is fantastic, made all the more superb by Jinkx Monsoon's outstanding performance! I tried to keep away from early reviews, but what little I did hear is that she would be chewing the scenery a bit. Honestly, she rivals Jean March in Battlefield, and I ****ing loved it!!! A character like that needs to be completely OTT, and she played it absolutely beautifully, raising an otherwise "okay" story to a "very good" one. I had wondered why Doctor Who meeting the Beatles hadn't been played up more in the marketing (it felt underhyped to me, anyway), but I get it now. They're little more than set dressing for most of the episode, before the final, kinda too easy-feeling resolution. Still, I think it worked despite its simplicity. I was really surprised by how few Beatles references were made throughout the episode though. After The Unicorn and the Wasp, I was expecting cheeky references galore, but short of the direct references to Penny Lane and Lady Madonna (which to a Gen Z like myself, are two songs I don't think I've actually heard), there didn't seem to be anything. I'm sure more informed fans will probably let me know otherwise. The feel of this episode was great, with Ncuti really selling the Doctor's powerlessness. The visual effects were also fantastic; the physical music look amazing! Of course, me being me, I can't not comment on the song at the end. I've got to honest, I don't think it could have felt more crowbarred in if they'd tried ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/rofl.png) There was absolutely no need for it (except perhaps to show the viewer that little Henry Arbinger was still around...), and I wasn't blown away by the song itself either. However... I imagine in a few months, once the Blu-ray's out, I'm probably going to be listening to it A LOT ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6343532/images/ZBDvOFPmQgNwxFXLpuoD.gif)
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Post by dasmaniac on May 11, 2024 2:11:04 GMT
This is more like it. This was fun! The Maestro is an interesting new villain that has different motivations from your standard Doctor Who foe. Ncuti Gatwa and Millie Gibson really got to show off their talents this episode.
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Post by ollychops on May 11, 2024 9:14:27 GMT
I enjoyed this one too, but whilst it’s different to the premiere, I’d probably rank them the same scoring. Fun, but nothing too exceptional. Really enjoyed Jinkx as Maestro and her tie in to The Giggle/Toymaker - hoping that moment at the end is hinting that Maestro could come back down the line.
My only downsides were the finale - I love a musical but it felt a little out of place at the end, feels like if they were going to do a musical number it would have been better earlier on in the episode before defeating Maestro - and the very unsubtle foreshadowing of the Big Bad. I don’t know if it’s nostalgia or that I was younger but RTD’s hints to the overall series arc felt more subtle and more natural that characters straight up telling the Doctor about these things that are coming for him.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on May 11, 2024 9:49:30 GMT
Was it just me .. or did the new sonic screwdriver change colour throughout?
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Post by sherlock on May 11, 2024 10:09:34 GMT
It feels a very odd choice to go from Space Babies which bent over backwards to reintroduce the basics of Who to this episode which is pretty much entirely predicated on concepts from The Giggle.
Its a wild ride and as I expected from the preview clips, Maestro is the highlight. She reminds me a lot of the gloriously scenery-devouring villains of SJA. I do like Who going for broke and this certainly did that right at the end, though I was surprised the musical number had nothing to do with actual story and was just an epilogue. Very fun though.
Also I liked how Gatwa seemed to deliberately echo Tom Baker in the homage to Pyramids of Mars. Grimly opening the doors from the console with his back to them. Neat touch.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on May 11, 2024 10:44:18 GMT
that's awesome.. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6343532/images/ZBDvOFPmQgNwxFXLpuoD.gif)
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Post by Kestrel on May 11, 2024 11:36:09 GMT
So... The Devil's Chord... I wish I could do nothing but gush out praise at this one. Almost! I almost could! But, sadly, I don't think it quite nailed the landing -- which is a shame, because for the most part this is a phenomenal episode. The 14th Doctor continues to be fantastic on-screen, Ruby continues to be a lot of fun, and their dynamic -- so far, so platonic, so good -- continues to be engaging. There are multiple great scenes between the two of them, and overall its their dynamic that makes this episode work. Opposite them, we have the Maestro -- a ridiculous, flamboyantly over the top villain who chews the scenery so much it's hard to imagine they didn't have to replace all of the sets while filming. Multiple times. Great fun. And so sinister! And unpredictable! That said, I'm just generally not very fond of the whole, "these guys are gods, and there's only one random method to defeat them," type of resolution we've got going here, carried on from The Giggle, if memory serves (which, to be fair, it very well may not). That just seems a bit too pat, if that makes sense. I like Doctor Who stories that present the conflict as a problem to be solves -- a foe to be outthought. Not, as the case is here, a MacGuffin to be grasped or a race to be won. I'm also pretty mixed on the usage of the Beatles here. I suppose it was a clever(?) way to (finally) use the Beatles in a Doctor Who story... without having to pay out the nose to license any of their music (though imagine how much better the episode might've been if they'd put some of those Disney Dollars to that purpose, even just once, for the ending). The ultimate defeat of the Maestro by the Beatles (Paul and John, was it?) also felt kind of unearned due to how minor their presence in the story up until then was. If they were going to resolve the main conflict of the episode by rediscovering their love for music... it would've been really cool to get a better idea of what kind of people they were in this timeline. It almost feels like the narrative is relying on our collective cultural nostalgia for the Beatles, assuming we'll just project a lot of what we know or think we know about them onto those characters. Which maybe works for some people? It didn't work for me. And then there's the ending... the big song and dance number about every episode ending with a twist. Uh... neat? But wouldn't that have worked better in an episode that, you know, had a twist ending? Just a thought. And it's also a really bizarre (and not very effective, IMO) fourth-wall break. One of several in this episode -- each one less effective than the one that came before. First, we got that brilliant line about the background music ("I thought it was non-diagetic!") -- something that's instantly become one of my all-time favorite Doctor Who quotes; then there's Ncuti's turning to wink directly at the camera -- which was fine; and then the ridiculously over-the-top song and dance number followed by the scene of the magic musical crosswalk which... I just cannot put into any context that makes sense. Or, maybe... is that the twist of the episode? That with the Toymaker's intrusion into "our universe," internal story logic/consistency no longer exists? I suppose that could work for a season-arc, but it seems like something that could very swiftly overstay its welcome. And that kind of metatextual theming is very much a double-edged sword. So for this one... I'd say a solid 4 out 5. Could've been better, but still a complete delight to watch. I especially liked the (first?) explicit reference to Susan in New Who (or are we Neo Who now?), as well as 14's other comments about his past. I wonder, Chekov's Gun would seem to dictate that if they're going to mention Susan by name now, then they're going to need to do something with Susan before the season's up. God knows there are certainly a lot of directions that story thread could unravel in... and God knows that's a character follow-up that's very, very, very long overdue. Also I liked how Gatwa seemed to deliberately echo Tom Baker in the homage to Pyramids of Mars. Grimly opening the doors from the console with his back to them. Neat touch. Other than Capaldi, I don't think I've ever been as instantly and immediately on-board with a new Doctor as I am with Gatwa's. Pretty much everything about his performance is just... absolutely perfect to me. I am completely sold on Doctor #14.
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Post by elkawho on May 11, 2024 15:35:29 GMT
Well, this was much, much better. I loved it, mostly because I thought Jinx Monsoon was delightfully and perfectly over the top. They were just wonderful. The scene without sound was powerful and terrific. Not sure I liked the fourth wall breaks, but they also didn't destroy the episode for me. I agree that if they were going to have The Beatles in Doctor Who, than they should have been a lot more prominent. Even without their music being included. I kept on waiting for Lennon and McCarney to actually help the Doctor and Ruby defeat this threat as part of the ongoing story, instead it was random and incidental. Which was a disappointment. I mean, other historical figures in the stories have been an intergral part of them. HG Wells, Tesla, even Nero. This wasn't much more than a name check. (And I can't help comparing it to BF's 1963:Fanfare for the Common Men. Basically, the fake Beatles are more integral to The Doctor than the "real" Beatles.")
And as someone who LOVES musicals, even I was taken aback by the ending. It didn't ruin the story for me, it just seemed like an extremely odd choice.
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Post by Tim Bradley on May 11, 2024 20:10:35 GMT
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