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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2024 21:14:31 GMT
Awful episode with cringeworthy performances especially Maestro whom was terrible, I'll never moan about Soldeed again.
And I hate musicals & switched off when started singing, utter cringeworthy.
A very poor start I think my era of Doctor Who is over, i prefer darker grittier stories.
1/5
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Post by shallacatop on May 11, 2024 22:13:35 GMT
Reminded me of The Church of Ruby Road in that it’s fun, but ultimately a string of disparate sequences and never quite knows what story it wants to tell. Is it a Beatles story, as originally advertised? Absolutely not. Is it a musical episode? Not really. Is it Ruby’s first trip into the past? Given they decided on a weird 6 month skip between episodes I’d assume not.
Jinkx Monsoon clearly plays Maestro with relish and I loved their presence, I just wish it amounted to more than gurning and a replay of the Toymaker encounter in The Giggle. Not sure why we needed to go into so much detail for what’s meant to be a big reset.
It seemed strange to me that they did a whole musical number as an epilogue that had no relation to the episode or its villain; I’d love to know the thought process behind it.
I’m fascinated to know what the new Disney+ audience think to these two episodes, or even the trio including Church if they haven’t seen it. I don’t dislike any of them, but I can’t see anything that would get someone hooked. The beauty of the show is how vast and eclectic it is, but I don’t think we’ve had anything that encapsulates it just yet. Here’s hoping Boom gets things going with a bang, I just hope people are sticking with the show.
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Post by shallacatop on May 11, 2024 22:25:01 GMT
Forgot to say I thought the theme tune arrangement in this episode was better than the one in the preceding 5 episodes, with the different ending leading into the jukebox shot. Not sure if it was done specifically for that, or if it’ll be different in each subsequent episode? RTD has mentioned there’s something intentional with the TARDIS energy in the titles and it does seem to spin and crash into stuff rather than materialise now.
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Post by christmastrenzalore on May 11, 2024 22:26:03 GMT
It was alright over-all, and it had some great gags, but something about it wasn't quite landing for me. Maybe just didn't get a good feel for the 'rules', so it felt more like floaty interconected set-pieces instead of a cohesive progression.
I did kinda dig the big twist at the end though. They really went for it. If nothing else, you can't deny this new era has stuck to it's guns with being more magical. It has a distinct tone.
Also, was the boy being there meant to be a hint? The twist is, he wasn't the prelude to Maestro, but the 'Boss' we heard tell of?
One other thing. The bit where they go to the future to show the devestation if they didn't intervene reminded me a ton of another scene from the classic series with Tom Baker and Sarah Jane, but I can't remember which. Was it the Pyramids of Mars or something? He just opens the doors, and there's a bunch of lighting and smoke outside.
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Post by timleschild on May 11, 2024 22:34:54 GMT
An interesting plot but one that’s inconsistent & full of plotholes. The power of music may be a cliche but a good one, & it looked great of course with all the period detail & some nice directorial flourishes. The scene where everything was muted was cool. The Pyramids of Mars moment was a nice way of showing new viewers what the stakes are even when threats occur in the past, plus love that TARDIS interior with the coloured lights. But then we have Jinkx Monsoon, there’s camp & then there’s just bad acting. Every time they were on screen I cringed & add to that their existence as a magical being. Sorry but this magical fantasy tone RTD is going for is not for me. & again we have a bit of that smugness with the Doctor & Ruby but to be fair I liked him more in this one. Hurrah we have another recurring character trait for Ruby, she can play the piano.The song at the end, I’m guessing it was written by Murray Gold? Awful, & pointless I thought at least a big musical number in this episode would have been used to defeat the baddie, not just tacked onto the end for no reason. Like the previous episode this feels like a cartoon show script.
They really missed out not having a reference to The Common Men.
I have hope for the next episode.
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Post by relativetime on May 11, 2024 22:47:52 GMT
Wow, what whiplash to go from Space Babies to this episode. The Devil's Chord is without a shadow of a doubt my favorite episode RTD has written since he came back - so far anyways. I think Maestro is also the best original villain the show has had in a long long time too - just every single time Jinx was onscreen was an absolute delight!
The musical bit at the end was a little bit out of nowhere if I had to be a critic. It's not bad, but it would have fit in a little more if maybe the episode was geared around musicals instead. And as a huge Beatles maniac, I was a bit disappointed the episode didn't really end up being about them in the end. George and Ringo didn't even have a line!
But that aside, great episode!
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Post by 20fridge on May 11, 2024 23:53:43 GMT
I really enjoyed this one. It was excellent off the walls fun. Hopefully this new era has more fun episodes like this. I think it would be perceived as stronger if it hadn't been so heavily marketed as the one with the Beatles. They were barely in it. Not that I minded. I thought they were well used as plot device and would have been better as a surprise. Also, I loved the modern take on the Pyramids of Mars type scene. It really raised the stakes. The Maestro was a great follow-up to the Toymaker. So far, they are two for two in having the members of the Pantheon be compelling antagonists. The Susan reference was interesting. I hope it's setting something up...
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Post by bethhigdon on May 12, 2024 2:00:57 GMT
Now this is more up my alley. While the last episode was more typical Who this delivered on the promise of fantasy Who that the series has been setting up. I loved it.
I'm guessing Susan Twist is really the main villain and that the song at the end of the episode was foreshadowing that.
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Post by shutupbanks on May 12, 2024 9:48:25 GMT
Much more like it, but still a lot of unanswered questions.
If Maestro has been devouring music/ians for almost 40 years, why are people even trying to still record music?
What happens to all the music that we know was recorded between 1925 and 1963? Has that reappeared? Or is there just a huge gap where nothing was recorded because everyone who picked up an instrument mysteriously died?
The pacing of the story was a lot better than Space Babies and we got a much more measured dose of storytelling here. I may have preferred this one to have been the season opener but I don’t run a studio so what do I know?
Random thoughts:
That’s the second story in a row where the Doctor has admitted to being scared. Is this going to be important to the season finale?
There was a lot less of the 10/Rose-alike dynamic that I disliked in SB, which was great. Ruby felt much more like her own person here.
Ncuti is brilliant - he’s very clearly the Doctor here. Even in the Pyramids Of Mars knockoff scene, he was still his own person, but recognisably echoing something he’s probably done for loads of times in stories we haven’t seen.
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Post by fitzoliverj on May 12, 2024 9:50:13 GMT
Oh, dear God, please take away RTD's pen. What the hell was that? How do you write a Beatles story without any Beatles songs? By barely having them in it, apparently. (Or, y'know, plot.) Did Ringo have any lines? Leaving aside the too-many-gods problem which RTD2 looks set to have, there was no particular reason why the Maestro was defeated. And as for Jinkx Monsoon - ye gods, did somebody think Eric Roberts was underacting? I was looking forward to having a Broadway star on the show, but there was nothing about this performance that struck as being particular merited. And as for the self-indulgent padding of the song-and-dance sequence at the end.. why? Why? WHY?! Nice to see Cilla, though. Shame they couldn't find anybody who sounded like her. (Or looked like the Beatles, for that matter)
They really missed out not having a reference to The Common Men.
The billboard on top of the building was for Chris Waites and the Carollers, which was the Hon. Aubrey Waites' original band before taking on the stage name of John Smith.
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Post by shallacatop on May 12, 2024 10:03:46 GMT
It would’ve been ace if The Devil’s Chord solution was the opening cord to A Hard Day’s Night. Very distinctive, perfectly suited for including The Beatles and would presumably not infringe on using their music.
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Post by mark687 on May 12, 2024 10:12:03 GMT
Excellent Ep
Maestro was slight OTT in an otherwise balanced piece. Likening the "I might not win but I will go down trying" take on 15th.
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Post by mark687 on May 12, 2024 10:17:00 GMT
They really missed out not having a reference to The Common Men.
The billboard on top of the building was for Chris Waites and the Carollers, which was the Hon. Aubrey Waites' original band before taking on the stage name of John Smith.
I thought hat that Was the Callbeck to it, thanks for confirming. Regards mark687
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Post by timleschild on May 12, 2024 10:39:07 GMT
It would’ve been ace if The Devil’s Chord solution was the opening cord to A Hard Day’s Night. Very distinctive, perfectly suited for including The Beatles and would presumably not infringe on using their music. It was definitely a misstep not to use any real Beatles music. I get that it would have been expensive, but this is Disney after all. I guess instead we got that music battle between Maestro & the Doctor, which could have been great if the music was exciting or memorable. & the song at the end, whatever on earth that was?
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Post by timleschild on May 12, 2024 10:41:16 GMT
Much more like it, but still a lot of unanswered questions. If Maestro has been devouring music/ians for almost 40 years, why are people even trying to still record music? What happens to all the music that we know was recorded between 1925 and 1963? Has that reappeared? Or is there just a huge gap where nothing was recorded because everyone who picked up an instrument mysteriously died? This was my main issue, & it felt like lazy writing. If the pre-credits scene had happened a few months before the start of the episode it would have all made a lot more sense, music in the process of being drained from the world.
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Post by sherlock on May 12, 2024 12:18:13 GMT
Seems there was more filmed scenes of Cilla Black which got cut:
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Post by number13 on May 12, 2024 21:23:28 GMT
Awful episode with cringeworthy performances especially Maestro whom was terrible, I'll never moan about Soldeed again.
And I hate musicals & switched off when started singing, utter cringeworthy. A very poor start I think my era of Doctor Who is over, i prefer darker grittier stories. 1/5 'Looord.... NIMON?'
I like Soldeed! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6343532/images/IwGTjEvWiMqDCgEk5m52.gif)
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Post by charlesuirdhein on May 13, 2024 0:53:36 GMT
Also I liked how Gatwa seemed to deliberately echo Tom Baker in the homage to Pyramids of Mars. Grimly opening the doors from the console with his back to them. Neat touch. Other than Capaldi, I don't think I've ever been as instantly and immediately on-board with a new Doctor as I am with Gatwa's. Pretty much everything about his performance is just... absolutely perfect to me. I am completely sold on Doctor #14.Psst! 15. He's #15.
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Post by bethhigdon on May 13, 2024 1:40:04 GMT
Other than Capaldi, I don't think I've ever been as instantly and immediately on-board with a new Doctor as I am with Gatwa's. Pretty much everything about his performance is just... absolutely perfect to me. I am completely sold on Doctor #14.Psst! 15. He's #15. Oh come on, we all know that "fourteen" is really just 10.3
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Post by Kestrel on May 13, 2024 2:51:44 GMT
Other than Capaldi, I don't think I've ever been as instantly and immediately on-board with a new Doctor as I am with Gatwa's. Pretty much everything about his performance is just... absolutely perfect to me. I am completely sold on Doctor #14.Psst! 15. He's #15. Oh, Great. I imagine I'll be spending the rest of my life making that mistake over and over and over again.
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