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Post by shutupbanks on Jun 15, 2024 23:37:23 GMT
Theory that just occurred to me: with all the suggestions that Sutekh was sent to the end/edge of the universe that the Doctor and Donna visited in Wild Blue Yonder, is it possible that Sutekh was killed by the creatures there and this is a copy?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2024 23:42:15 GMT
Theory that just occurred to me: with all the suggestions that Sutekh was sent to the end/edge of the universe that the Doctor and Donna visited in Wild Blue Yonder, is it possible that Sutekh was killed by the creatures there and this is a copy? Anything's possible but don't get why that would be narratively interesting. Annoy old fans, and waste the point of bringing an iconic one-off villain back. More theoretically, I'd be asking....the TARDIS was made into a copy AFTER the salt debacle. Is something happening to that other TARDIS? It would give Rose a reason to be there, who literally says in this ep that she's pointless. But if there's a copy, maybe a solution to all this...in her garden? Hmmm. |
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Post by relativetime on Jun 16, 2024 1:03:47 GMT
It is hard to judge this one since it really is part one of a larger story. But I think as far as first parts go this was very solid. Full of a lot of wonderful moments between characters - especially for Mel! - and of course the tension was through the roof. Very happy to see Rose again too!
That all being said, I am feeling a bit cynical about the return of Sutekh. I kind of wish RTD had tried to come up with a more original villain instead like with Maestro, who is still my favorite RTD villain so far. Just cribbing from Classic Who once again feels just a little underwhelming and I also just feel like the series did not drop enough clues or hints this season that Sutekh was behind Susan. In fact, I also felt like the connection between Ruby's mom and Susan Triad was a bit weak and convoluted. Maybe something that'll make more sense on a rewatch before Empire of Death?
Again, it's very hard for me to judge this one before Empire of Death. A lot of good buildup here, but RTD has a reputation for being a bit hit-or-miss when it comes to wrapping it all up. Fingers crossed it's good!
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Post by timleschild on Jun 16, 2024 7:57:49 GMT
& also, when the Doctor says "It was the wrong anagram". Sutekh wasn't an anagram. Somehow "It wasn't an anagram but a homophone" doesn't sound as catchy. Should have just said *we were looking at the wrong words". |
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Post by timleschild on Jun 16, 2024 8:00:20 GMT
Theory that just occurred to me: with all the suggestions that Sutekh was sent to the end/edge of the universe that the Doctor and Donna visited in Wild Blue Yonder, is it possible that Sutekh was killed by the creatures there and this is a copy? Dunno what that would add to the drama though especially for new fans, this is a copy of a villain you've never heard of? |
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Post by sherlock on Jun 16, 2024 8:31:25 GMT
Not to make anyone feel old but Unleashed for this episode has an explainer on what VHS tapes are, presumably anticipating a fair amount of viewers will have no idea what they are…
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 9:07:53 GMT
Look at the number of 4 and 5 votes here, which also reflects most of the feedback on my socials. People can say what they like subjectively but RTD KNOWS how to do popular big finales that get people excited.
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Post by Chakoteya on Jun 16, 2024 10:10:29 GMT
How, though, are some gonna take The Doctor saying he's never had children?  This divergent Doctor hasn't. Yet, he said. Implying timey-wimey shenannigans with canon and maybe looping back to become a pre-1st? The original line of Doctors, however... But who knows how Gallifreyan family dynamics work? Maybe fostering or adopting is standard practice?
RTD did it again. He's always loved a good finale. This was nothing short of extraordinary. Did anyone catch the line from The Doctor that he'll be in this body for a long time? Perhaps a hint we'll be seeing 15 for a long time. Yeah. Caught that. Also caught all the extra times he's seen 'Susan' that haven't had episodes. So, like 11 with Amy and Rory constantly nipping off for a year or so then returning to the party five minutes later, don't bank on the actor sticking around to beat Tom's TV record. (Never mind Paul's audio record of 8th Doctor adventures and more).
It's all relative.
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Post by timleschild on Jun 16, 2024 10:31:08 GMT
Look at the number of 4 and 5 votes here, which also reflects most of the feedback on my socials. People can say what they like subjectively but RTD KNOWS how to do popular big finales that get people excited. There have been 27 votes so far. |
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Post by timleschild on Jun 16, 2024 10:32:27 GMT
How, though, are some gonna take The Doctor saying he's never had children? This divergent Doctor hasn't. Yet, he said. Implying timey-wimey shenannigans with canon and maybe looping back to become a pre-1st? The original line of Doctors, however... But who knows how Gallifreyan family dynamics work? Maybe fostering or adopting is standard practice? This is a divergent Doctor? Where is that stated? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 10:37:33 GMT
Look at the number of 4 and 5 votes here, which also reflects most of the feedback on my socials. People can say what they like subjectively but RTD KNOWS how to do popular big finales that get people excited. There have been 27 votes so far. You must have been terrific at arithmetic at school! |
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Post by timleschild on Jun 16, 2024 10:42:50 GMT
There have been 27 votes so far. You must have been terrific at arithmetic at school! Weird response. |
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Post by timleschild on Jun 16, 2024 11:09:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 11:39:15 GMT
You must have been terrific at arithmetic at school! Weird response. Well, you're a weird poster so, why not? |
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Post by theillusiveman on Jun 16, 2024 11:40:05 GMT
The lowest viewing figures for overnights of all of new who Which is a shame as this episode was better than most of the other episodes of this run still wonder if it dips any lower |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 11:51:13 GMT
I know two people who watched it live - everyone else watched during the day if they didn't stay up. Especially knowing spoilers were coming AND the Euros are on, seems - as is always the case for streaming first models - a later broadcast is going to be less and less important. Sutekh was trending all day so spoilers were not exactly hidden if you didn't make an effort to see it ASAP after it dropped.
Same happened with Eastenders, that now drops first on I-Player and live ratings went way down as people could watch in the morning, during lunch, doing the ironing..
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Post by timleschild on Jun 16, 2024 12:00:15 GMT
Well, you're a weird poster so, why not? No I'm not. & please refrain from these sort of personal comments. |
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Post by timleschild on Jun 16, 2024 12:01:25 GMT
I know two people who watched it live - everyone else watched during the day if they didn't stay up. Especially knowing spoilers were coming AND the Euros are on, seems - as is always the case for streaming first models - a later broadcast is going to be less and less important. Sutekh was trending all day so spoilers were not exactly hidden if you didn't make an effort to see it ASAP after it dropped. Same happened with Eastenders, that now drops first on I-Player and live ratings went way down as people could watch in the morning, during lunch, doing the ironing.. Some people can't watch it during the day but yes the consolidated figures are more important even though RTD has admitted that the figures are disappointing. |
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Post by ollychops on Jun 16, 2024 12:32:18 GMT
Look at the number of 4 and 5 votes here, which also reflects most of the feedback on my socials. People can say what they like subjectively but RTD KNOWS how to do popular big finales that get people excited. It’ll be interesting to see if he sticks the landing because I feel that’s where he’s weaker as a writer - he’s great at the hype but bad at the resolutions. |
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Post by daz on Jun 16, 2024 14:21:00 GMT
I must be dumb as a rock because I 100% did not see this coming, even though a red hot reference to Pyramids of Mars in The Devil's Chord. You've got some balls, RTD. They even got Gabriel Woolf, the original Sutekh voice, now 91 years old.
The evil software story was a fake-out, the hunt for Ruby's bio-mum led nowhere and here we are in a horrific Gods and Monsters story. I love this show.
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