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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 4:23:55 GMT
So did Davros. Clearly his fault. #DavrosMustGo It was a pretty stupid premise! What? Appealing to the Doctor's compassion and using it against him? I don't know, I thought that was rather ingenious of Davros in a The Killing Joke sort of way. As wary as I was about Missy to begin with, her appearance in The Witch's Familiar was probably the best thing about it. She practically stole the show with her casual homicidal mania and genuine, if albeit twisted friendship with the Doctor.
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Post by icecreamdf on May 31, 2016 4:45:23 GMT
If Jack's not back at Christmas, then I wouldn't be surprised to see Missy in the Christmas Special. They need some sort of hook for Christmas this year, given it's the only 2016 episode and the Master at Christmas would provide that. The last time the Master was in the Christmas Special, it was also a huge ratings success. They could have a hashtag of '#Missytoe' to tie in with it being the Christmas Special too! I would say, though, that, despite her getting critical praise, most of the general public that I know think that Missy being the Master is the stupidest thing they've ever heard. I think it would be interesting if Missy was revealed not to be the Master and instead another Time-Lord, who's been brainwashed by the Master, while he's gone about doing some horrifying things under the Doctor's nose. Meanwhile, Missy gets her own agenda and becomes her own independent villain. That would work better in my opinion as I don't think Missy works as the Master, since she's a bit to insane and the public think she's a bit OTT. That would be stupid. That would be like deciding that Jacobi and Simm or Pratt and Beevers weren't the Master, but were just brainwashed. All of Missy's stories rely on her being the Master, and undoing that would just ruin the story. Besides, including BF, we've seen at least three sex change regenerations at this point. We've also seen other incarnations of the Master who can be described as "bananas" and we know from the Doctor that personalities change with regeneration. There is really no reason that Missy shouldn't be the Master.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 5:38:11 GMT
I would say, though, that, despite her getting critical praise, most of the general public that I know think that Missy being the Master is the stupidest thing they've ever heard. I think it would be interesting if Missy was revealed not to be the Master and instead another Time-Lord, who's been brainwashed by the Master, while he's gone about doing some horrifying things under the Doctor's nose. Meanwhile, Missy gets her own agenda and becomes her own independent villain. That would work better in my opinion as I don't think Missy works as the Master, since she's a bit to insane and the public think she's a bit OTT. That would be stupid. That would be like deciding that Jacobi and Simm or Pratt and Beevers weren't the Master, but were just brainwashed. All of Missy's stories rely on her being the Master, and undoing that would just ruin the story. Besides, including BF, we've seen at least three sex change regenerations at this point. We've also seen other incarnations of the Master who can be described as "bananas" and we know from the Doctor that personalities change with regeneration. There is really no reason that Missy shouldn't be the Master. I don't hate Missy as the Master because of gender change, and I think it's frustrating that the most high profile gender change in the show has resulted in such an awful character. I just really dislike how the character is scripted and portrayed. So the whole finale to series 8 was that she gave her cyber army to the Doctor. Then all her ridiculous mucking about in series 9 was a textbook case of how to destroy any sense of tension in your story.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 31, 2016 8:39:10 GMT
Series 9 ratings were pretty poor in general. Missy appeared in episodes 1 and 2, and fewer viewers tuned in for episode 2. But many tuned into episode one, which Missy was in.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on May 31, 2016 9:52:22 GMT
Series 9 ratings were pretty poor in general. Missy appeared in episodes 1 and 2, and fewer viewers tuned in for episode 2. But many tuned into episode one, which Missy was in. And, turned off when she was in episode 2.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 31, 2016 10:11:54 GMT
But many tuned into episode one, which Missy was in. And, turned off when she was in episode 2. But she was in episode one too. By that logic they wouldn't watch episode one.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on May 31, 2016 10:25:15 GMT
And, turned off when she was in episode 2. But she was in episode one too. By that logic they wouldn't watch episode one. What???
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 19:56:32 GMT
So, my predictions for Series 10 are: That Missy will return. That the Daleks will return. That the Weeping Angels will return. That the Cybermen will return. That the Time-Lords will return. That Clara will return. NOTE: None of these are put in as positive
Expectations: There will be good stories, mostly by established writers, except Moffat. That the writers who will make our minds explode will either be making our heads explode negatively or positively. (I mean, I'd hate it if one of the writers was JK Rowling, since she is known for cliche fantasy stories, which in my opinion are drivel)
Hopes: Jonathan Morris, John Dorney, Toby Whithouse, Nicholas Briggs, Ben Aaronovitch, Paul Cornell, Matt Fitton, Sarah Dollard and many other great and wonderful writers will write for the series. (I'd especially love it if Matthew Jones returned, since Satan Pit is my favorite Doctor Who story of all time) The Sontarans will return and kill off Strax and the Paternoster Gang. Capaldi will regenerate at the end of the series and that he will be killed by a person called Steven. The next Doctor will be Kris Marshall.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 31, 2016 19:59:59 GMT
(I mean, I'd hate it if one of the writers was JK Rowling, since she is known for cliche fantasy stories, which in my opinion are drivel) The next Doctor will be Kris Marshall. But...but...JK Rowling is awesome.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 20:00:34 GMT
And, turned off when she was in episode 2. But she was in episode one too. By that logic they wouldn't watch episode one. I think we should note that Missy wasn't the selling point of The Magician's Apprentice. Also, when I talked about people who thought Missy was a silly idea are the same people who left after Matt Smith became really silly. Honestly, Doctor Who isn't helping itself and the man to blame is Moffat. He is retreading the exact same mistakes that Saward and JNT had with Davison and Colin Baker. What I find most saddening about Moffat's run is if he's restrained he can do really well (Heaven Sent) or if he's on a leash (Blink), so when he's allowed free reign he comes up with things like Asylum Of The Daleks, Doctor, Widow And The Wardrobe and The Bells Of St. Johns (that last one is one that personally annoys me because of how good it could have been).
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 20:02:43 GMT
(I mean, I'd hate it if one of the writers was JK Rowling, since she is known for cliche fantasy stories, which in my opinion are drivel) The next Doctor will be Kris Marshall. But...but...JK Rowling is awesome. JK Rowling's a pretty awful writer. Her stories are nothing inspiring and aren't at all interesting. The Harry Potter character works in the same way that the main characters of books such as Twilight and Fifty Shades Of Grey do. They're completely bland and uninteresting characters and are only popular because you can paste your face onto them.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 31, 2016 20:11:54 GMT
But she was in episode one too. By that logic they wouldn't watch episode one. I think we should note that Missy wasn't the selling point of The Magician's Apprentice. Well, she was because nobody knew Davros was in The Magician's Apprentice until it aired, so he became the selling point of The Witch's Familiar rather than both parts, making Missy the selling point of MA.
If they thought Matt Smith was silly, then why were they watching Doctor Who in the first place?
Doctor Who is a big interational hit thanks to Moffat. The show is fine.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 31, 2016 20:12:47 GMT
But...but...JK Rowling is awesome. JK Rowling's a pretty awful writer. Her stories are nothing inspiring and aren't at all interesting. The Harry Potter character works in the same way that the main characters of books such as Twilight and Fifty Shades Of Grey do. They're completely bland and uninteresting characters and are only popular because you can paste your face onto them. I completely disagree. JK Rowling's writing defined an entire generation. She is a hugely talented and naturally gifted writer who can write dialogue that literally jumps off the page. She'd be a perfect fit for Doctor Who.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 20:20:24 GMT
I think we should note that Missy wasn't the selling point of The Magician's Apprentice. Well, she was because nobody knew Davros was in The Magician's Apprentice until it aired, so he became the selling point of The Witch's Familiar rather than both parts, making Missy the selling point of MA.
If they thought Matt Smith was silly, then why were they watching Doctor Who in the first place?
Doctor Who is a big interational hit thanks to Moffat. The show is fine.
So the first part about Missy is incorrect. The general public assumed the opener was about the Daleks. Primarily because of the Radio Times cover which shows the Daleks from the original Dalek story. Secondly, if you look at Smith's era, his stories are very silly compared to Tennant's and most of my friends just think he was trying too hard and it couldn't quite be pulled off. They watched Doctor Who in the first place because it's a fun show. Something for the family, but, nowadays, it's been turned into something that only fans watch. Yes, it is a big fanbase and I should add a lot of fans believe that the show has become bland and a shadow of itself or is not as good as it used to be. Thirdly, Moffat is to blame and while it may be more popular abroad than ever before, it's at one of its low points in the UK. Most people make fun of it these days and its fans who always say its perfect, even though there are some obvious problems. Added to the international hit point, with any other showrunner it would probably have happened at this point. TV is now a worldwide thing. Honestly, if RTD revived the show now it might be an even bigger global hit.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 20:22:48 GMT
JK Rowling's a pretty awful writer. Her stories are nothing inspiring and aren't at all interesting. The Harry Potter character works in the same way that the main characters of books such as Twilight and Fifty Shades Of Grey do. They're completely bland and uninteresting characters and are only popular because you can paste your face onto them. I completely disagree. JK Rowling's writing defined an entire generation. She is a hugely talented and naturally gifted writer who can write dialogue that literally jumps off the page. She'd be a perfect fit for Doctor Who. She defined a generation, all right. But what does defining a generation mean. Arnie's action movies defined the 80s, but let's be frank here, many aren't good. Also, this generation is defined by books like Twilight, Fifty Shades Of Grey and The Hunger Games, but are they actually any good. Just because Harry Potter did it first doesn't mean its any good either. And as for the dialogue, honestly, I've seen many people write better than it and never get acclaim.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 31, 2016 20:44:48 GMT
Well, she was because nobody knew Davros was in The Magician's Apprentice until it aired, so he became the selling point of The Witch's Familiar rather than both parts, making Missy the selling point of MA.
If they thought Matt Smith was silly, then why were they watching Doctor Who in the first place?
Doctor Who is a big interational hit thanks to Moffat. The show is fine.
So the first part about Missy is incorrect. The general public assumed the opener was about the Daleks. Primarily because of the Radio Times cover which shows the Daleks from the original Dalek story. Missy's return was more of a selling point to me than the Daleks' return though. Well, that's their fault. Good riddance to them. Doctor Who has always been a silly show and that's why I love it.
I don't know what kind of people you are referring to because I have never seen anyone make fun of it. Most people I know both online and offline think Moffat has done good for the show and helped to make it a big international hit.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 31, 2016 20:45:31 GMT
I completely disagree. JK Rowling's writing defined an entire generation. She is a hugely talented and naturally gifted writer who can write dialogue that literally jumps off the page. She'd be a perfect fit for Doctor Who. She defined a generation, all right. But what does defining a generation mean. Arnie's action movies defined the 80s, but let's be frank here, many aren't good. Also, this generation is defined by books like Twilight, Fifty Shades Of Grey and The Hunger Games, but are they actually any good. Just because Harry Potter did it first doesn't mean its any good either. And as for the dialogue, honestly, I've seen many people write better than it and never get acclaim. I haven't. JK Rowling's dialogue has a certain charm to it that many authors don't have.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 20:49:35 GMT
So the first part about Missy is incorrect. The general public assumed the opener was about the Daleks. Primarily because of the Radio Times cover which shows the Daleks from the original Dalek story. Missy's return was more of a selling point to me than the Daleks' return though. Well, that's their fault. Good riddance to them. Doctor Who has always been a silly show and that's why I love it.
I don't know what kind of people you are referring to because I have never seen anyone make fun of it. Most people I know both online and offline think Moffat has done good for the show and helped to make it a big international hit. First of all, I was referring to the public perception. And, anyway, I had to tell people that Missy existed. Second of all, it might well be their fault, but considering Doctor Who's faultering ratings, no matter how much you mightn't like it, Doctor Who HAS to change. Thirdly, I am referring to a lot of people. You might spend a lot of time without people, but I know a lot of people from school who mock it. And a helluva lot of people have said that Moffat has done some good for the show. I'd agree with that, actually. Yet, them same people say what he's done negatively far outweighs that.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 20:51:17 GMT
She defined a generation, all right. But what does defining a generation mean. Arnie's action movies defined the 80s, but let's be frank here, many aren't good. Also, this generation is defined by books like Twilight, Fifty Shades Of Grey and The Hunger Games, but are they actually any good. Just because Harry Potter did it first doesn't mean its any good either. And as for the dialogue, honestly, I've seen many people write better than it and never get acclaim. I haven't. JK Rowling's dialogue has a certain charm to it that many authors don't have. What charm? There's none to it. There's a certain reason that works such as 1984, Of Mice And Men and, heck, even The Woman In Black are studied today. They're well written stories. In many years time I can't possibly imagine people talking about Harry Potter in the same way.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on May 31, 2016 21:02:20 GMT
So did Davros. Clearly his fault. #DavrosMustGo It was a pretty stupid premise! Did we watch the same thing? ALL of Doctor Who is a stupid premise. But Magician/Witch? Sod the premise that was the Doctor and Davros talking to each other and the mystery of whether or not they were LYING to each other.
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