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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 6:58:18 GMT
My first point is saying that Doctor Who can do a lot better than it has been doing. I'm sure you'll agree with me. The writers themselves blame it down to the slot, but I'd also say it is to do with the plotlines as well as the slot. Secondly, there can be change in the final series. Because, even if you don't agree, a lot of people would say that Doctor Who is not as good as it was. YouTubers, such as WhoAddicts have said that Doctor Who has lost its spark and they're some of NuWho's greatest supporters, as of late. 1. Nope, not in the current climate. TV viewing has changed. 2. The show's not for them then. They should go watch something else and not spoil it for the majority who do enjoy Moffat's take. How does expressing an opinion spoil it for people with a different opinion? I've generally loved Moffat's work but felt that Season 9 jumped the shark. The series seemed to have lost it's spark. the mere fact that the man who didn't like two parters decided to do a season of two parters suggested he was running out of ideas. Moffat's main difference to RTD is that RTD would repeat a winning formula year after year, whereas Moffat has a phobia of the show becoming stale and has to reinvent every year (by his own admission). Sometimes that won't work for everyone. What I can guarantee you is that it means Season 10 will contain lots of changes, because Moffat always changes. My nervousness is whether, after all these years, he still has enough originality in his bag for it to be good.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jun 2, 2016 7:10:24 GMT
Yes, I believe that's right -- they'd had Catherine Tate scheduled to be back as Donna in series 4 before series 3 even began airing, so it can't have had anything to do with fan reactions. And there had previously been plans for a different new companion, Penny, before Catherine Tate agreed to come back. (Can you tell I've been reading The Writer's Tale? ) Then again there was a lot of aggression from the public about Billie Piper leaving and a new girl stealing her spot... The aggression came from the Doctor!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 7:19:44 GMT
1. Nope, if you read DWM it is never the top 5 of the week - unless its a series 4 episode. The show has more consistently been in the top 20 and there are not many instances where it dips below that. When it does, its still impressive because it is when it is against tough competition. 2. Nothing needs to change until Moffat's era is over. If other people don't like it, though. They can join when Chris Chibnall takes over. Also: I've heard far more people raising it than complaining about it. 4. At least I have provided some evidence to back-up my point. You are yet to show anything that backs up your view over mine. My first point is saying that Doctor Who can do a lot better than it has been doing. I'm sure you'll agree with me. The writers themselves blame it down to the slot, but I'd also say it is to do with the plotlines as well as the slot. Secondly, there can be change in the final series. Because, even if you don't agree, a lot of people would say that Doctor Who is not as good as it was. YouTubers, such as WhoAddicts have said that Doctor Who has lost its spark and they're some of NuWho's greatest supporters, as of late. Way back in 1967-68, Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons, a children's show about the attempted genocide of the human race and betrayal by your nearest and dearest friends, used to broadcast at 5.25 pm in the early evening, I'd definitely say stories more than the timeslot have something to do with it. The upside with Doctor Who is that if the show has lost its little ineffable glimmer, there's always the possibility for it to return better than ever. The classic show seemed doomed by the panto trappings of Season 24, but two years later, the production values, characters and settings were now stronger than ever before. All it takes is the nudge in the right direction and the change from rags to riches can happen virtually overnight. So, fingers crossed for Chibnall's run. May it surpass all our best expectations.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jun 2, 2016 7:40:22 GMT
Well, the answer would be not very well. Still, there's a reason why certain books are put in the curriculum. They have complex texts and also include metaphors. They're stuff you can study. Also, if you're gonna say they should read kids books, they shouldn't because that's all they'll ever read when they're older. What's wrong with that? Bizarre argument. I didn't suddenly start reading classic literature because I enjoyed Of Mice And Men. Also: stuff the reasons why books are part of a curriculum. The curriculum is dated and unengaging to people at Secondary schools. If I were a school teacher, I would ignore it completely and have year 11s read Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone for a Harry Potter English literature exam. Ohh, were it that easy
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 8:18:15 GMT
1. Nope, not in the current climate. TV viewing has changed. 2. The show's not for them then. They should go watch something else and not spoil it for the majority who do enjoy Moffat's take. How does expressing an opinion spoil it for people with a different opinion? I've generally loved Moffat's work but felt that Season 9 jumped the shark. The series seemed to have lost it's spark. the mere fact that the man who didn't like two parters decided to do a season of two parters suggested he was running out of ideas. Moffat's main difference to RTD is that RTD would repeat a winning formula year after year, whereas Moffat has a phobia of the show becoming stale and has to reinvent every year (by his own admission). Sometimes that won't work for everyone. What I can guarantee you is that it means Season 10 will contain lots of changes, because Moffat always changes. My nervousness is whether, after all these years, he still has enough originality in his bag for it to be good. Yeah. I mean, I want the change to be good, but, in my opinion, Moffat's changes have never worked well. And, honestly, Moffat has gotten a bit stale, as all his episodes in Series 9, except one, has their plot revolve around elements that post viewers won't remember ("Do I Have The Right?" and the Darillium Business).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 8:20:07 GMT
My first point is saying that Doctor Who can do a lot better than it has been doing. I'm sure you'll agree with me. The writers themselves blame it down to the slot, but I'd also say it is to do with the plotlines as well as the slot. Secondly, there can be change in the final series. Because, even if you don't agree, a lot of people would say that Doctor Who is not as good as it was. YouTubers, such as WhoAddicts have said that Doctor Who has lost its spark and they're some of NuWho's greatest supporters, as of late. Way back in 1967-68, Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons, a children's show about the attempted genocide of the human race and betrayal by your nearest and dearest friends, used to broadcast at 5.25 pm in the early evening, I'd definitely say stories more than the timeslot have something to do with it. The upside with Doctor Who is that if the show has lost its little ineffable glimmer, there's always the possibility for it to return better than ever. The classic show seemed doomed by the panto trappings of Season 24, but two years later, the production values, characters and settings were now stronger than ever before. All it takes is the nudge in the right direction and the change from rags to riches can happen virtually overnight. So, fingers crossed for Chibnall's run. May it surpass all our best expectations. Yeah. I agree with you on pretty much everything. But there's one problem: what if Series 10 is both a critical and commercial failure. The BBC would probably be worried for Doctor Who and make some radical changes that most of us would disagree with.
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Post by bobod on Jun 2, 2016 9:51:49 GMT
And, really, Doctor Who has never been mocked before and has always been on the map, Did you say you were still at school?
You describe a reality that not many people who were around and watching the show towards the end of its first run would recognise.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 9:58:19 GMT
And, really, Doctor Who has never been mocked before and has always been on the map, Did you say you were still at school?
You describe a reality that not many people who were around and watching the show towards the end of its first run would recognise.
Okay. I may have gone a little too far with that. What I meant was that it hasn't been mocked to such an extent prior to recently. I understand that it was mocked towards the tether end of the 80s, but it was more forgotten more than anything else.
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Post by bobod on Jun 2, 2016 10:01:47 GMT
Did you say you were still at school?
You describe a reality that not many people who were around and watching the show towards the end of its first run would recognise.
Okay. I may have gone a little too far with that. What I meant was that it hasn't been mocked to such an extent prior to recently. Sorry, that's still not even remotely true.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 10:16:19 GMT
Okay. I may have gone a little too far with that. What I meant was that it hasn't been mocked to such an extent prior to recently. Sorry, that's still not even remotely true. Well to be honest I'm just basing it off things I've heard in DWM, so I could be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 10:33:09 GMT
Sorry, that's still not even remotely true. Well to be honest I'm just basing it off things I've heard in DWM, so I could be wrong. I don't know what you've read but certainly growing up as a fan in the 90s the show was the but of many jokes and it was almost painfully uncool to be a fan. Not that all of us cared, I guess, but for a lot of people their Who fandom was something to be hidden away from the public. More people seemed to know the Kandyman from clipshows making fun of Who than actually watched the show in the latter days.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jun 2, 2016 15:39:06 GMT
What charm? There's none to it. There's a certain reason that works such as 1984, Of Mice And Men and, heck, even The Woman In Black are studied today. Wrongly studied today. Of Mice And Men is a great book but capable of captivating secondary school students it is not. Instead of focusing on classic literature, they should be getting them to read modern books in my view by the likes of JK Rowling, Alex Scarrow and Neil Gaiman. It would probably be better to have children read contemporary children and young adult literature, but still focus on the classics. Harry Potter is certainly captivating, and there is a lot that can be taken out of them. However, 1984 and Of Mice and Men are important to show students perspectives from other eras of history. Plus, they are also great books. I loved 1984 and liked Of Mice and Men, but I never would have read them if I wasn't required to.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 15:44:26 GMT
Well to be honest I'm just basing it off things I've heard in DWM, so I could be wrong. I don't know what you've read but certainly growing up as a fan in the 90s the show was the but of many jokes and it was almost painfully uncool to be a fan. Not that all of us cared, I guess, but for a lot of people their Who fandom was something to be hidden away from the public. More people seemed to know the Kandyman from clipshows making fun of Who than actually watched the show in the latter days. Sorry. I didn't really know. Then again, Doctor Who has been regarded as a great show, which isn't what's happening currently, is more my point. And I do honestly empathize with fans of the 90s.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jun 2, 2016 16:28:17 GMT
Prediction - "The woman in the shop" will be identified in the 2017 Christmas Special.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 18:33:28 GMT
Prediction - "The woman in the shop" will be identified in the 2017 Christmas Special. Wasn't that Missy?
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Post by icecreamdf on Jun 2, 2016 18:33:38 GMT
Prediction - "The woman in the shop" will be identified in the 2017 Christmas Special. She was identified in Death in Heaven. She's Missy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 18:33:56 GMT
Prediction - "The woman in the shop" will be identified in the 2017 Christmas Special. Wee bit late since we found out it was Missy way back in Death In Heaven, in Series 8.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jun 2, 2016 19:17:07 GMT
Prediction - "The woman in the shop" will be identified in the 2017 Christmas Special. Wee bit late since we found out it was Missy way back in Death In Heaven, in Series 8. The same person that was mentioned n 3 previous Who stories?
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jun 2, 2016 20:58:10 GMT
The Master outright said she gave the Doctor Clara.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jun 3, 2016 1:23:40 GMT
The Master outright said she gave the Doctor Clara. Yeah. She literally did a reenactment of the event for the Doctor.
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