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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 3, 2016 8:20:10 GMT
1. Nope, not in the current climate. TV viewing has changed. 2. The show's not for them then. They should go watch something else and not spoil it for the majority who do enjoy Moffat's take. Right. So for Russell's penultimate story, The Waters Of Mars had viewing figures of 9.9 m. This series finale had 6.2m. That's a 4.2m difference. And if we were to take regular episodes. Let's say The Zygon Invasion with 5.8m viewers. Then we take Midnight with 8.1m. That's a 2.3m difference. And if you really want, let's take openers. Smith And Jones had 8.7m and the Magician's Apprentice had 6.5. That's still a 2.2m difference. So, 2.2 million people have left the series since 2007. And 4.2 since 2009. I think that is a satisfactory answer. You're ignoring that the way people watch TV has changed though. Not many watch TV live anymore.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 3, 2016 8:21:48 GMT
1. Nope, not in the current climate. TV viewing has changed. 2. The show's not for them then. They should go watch something else and not spoil it for the majority who do enjoy Moffat's take. How does expressing an opinion spoil it for people with a different opinion? It can spoil it if people are constantly posting negative things all the time on Doctor Who forums.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 8:28:56 GMT
Right. So for Russell's penultimate story, The Waters Of Mars had viewing figures of 9.9 m. This series finale had 6.2m. That's a 4.2m difference. And if we were to take regular episodes. Let's say The Zygon Invasion with 5.8m viewers. Then we take Midnight with 8.1m. That's a 2.3m difference. And if you really want, let's take openers. Smith And Jones had 8.7m and the Magician's Apprentice had 6.5. That's still a 2.2m difference. So, 2.2 million people have left the series since 2007. And 4.2 since 2009. I think that is a satisfactory answer. You're ignoring that the way people watch TV has changed though. Not many watch TV live anymore. No, I was counting the BBC IPlayer viewers, too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 8:31:36 GMT
How does expressing an opinion spoil it for people with a different opinion? It can spoil it if people are constantly posting negative things all the time on Doctor Who forums. Look here. It's extremely childish to say that you can't express an opinion on a TV Show. Doctor Who can improve. A lot of people, not just me, have even been critical of Series 9 on this forum, so are all those people wrong?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 3, 2016 8:41:16 GMT
Wrongly studied today. Of Mice And Men is a great book but capable of captivating secondary school students it is not. Instead of focusing on classic literature, they should be getting them to read modern books in my view by the likes of JK Rowling, Alex Scarrow and Neil Gaiman. It would probably be better to have children read contemporary children and young adult literature, but still focus on the classics. Harry Potter is certainly captivating, and there is a lot that can be taken out of them. However, 1984 and Of Mice and Men are important to show students perspectives from other eras of history. Plus, they are also great books. I loved 1984 and liked Of Mice and Men, but I never would have read them if I wasn't required to. Same here but I imagine they must have got a few low English literature grades for it over so many years because I think the vast majority probably don't find it interesting.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 3, 2016 8:42:47 GMT
You're ignoring that the way people watch TV has changed though. Not many watch TV live anymore. No, I was counting the BBC IPlayer viewers, too. Doesn't matter. Recording the show, DVDs, Blurays, digital copies, streaming etc... aren't counted.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 3, 2016 8:43:51 GMT
It can spoil it if people are constantly posting negative things all the time on Doctor Who forums. Look here. It's extremely childish to say that you can't express an opinion on a TV Show. Doctor Who can improve. A lot of people, not just me, have even been critical of Series 9 on this forum, so are all those people wrong? It's fine to state it once but there is a vocal minority who state the same opinion after every episode on every single thread on a forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 8:45:33 GMT
It would probably be better to have children read contemporary children and young adult literature, but still focus on the classics. Harry Potter is certainly captivating, and there is a lot that can be taken out of them. However, 1984 and Of Mice and Men are important to show students perspectives from other eras of history. Plus, they are also great books. I loved 1984 and liked Of Mice and Men, but I never would have read them if I wasn't required to. Same here but I imagine they must have got a few low English literature grades for it over so many years because I think the vast majority probably don't find it interesting. Look. I go to a grammar school. Most people in this grammar school would agree that 1984 and Of Mice And Men are great books, but they would also say that they enjoy Harry Potter and would agree there is a reason why 1984 and Of Mice And Men are studied rather than that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 8:48:05 GMT
Look here. It's extremely childish to say that you can't express an opinion on a TV Show. Doctor Who can improve. A lot of people, not just me, have even been critical of Series 9 on this forum, so are all those people wrong? It's fine to state it once but there is a vocal minority who state the same opinion after every episode on every single thread on a forum. But that's their opinion still. I mean this person's audio stories are of a better quality than most of the TV Series, so he might have an argument and it's fine to state your opinion about it still. And sometimes a negative opinion isn't really a minority. I mean, look at you, you're the person who went around saying that, just because you couldn't write a story where the Doctor was the only character, Heaven Sent was going to be one of the worst Doctor Who stories.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 8:50:19 GMT
No, I was counting the BBC IPlayer viewers, too. Doesn't matter. Recording the show, DVDs, Blurays, digital copies, streaming etc... aren't counted. You're wrong there. I was looking at the final ratings (the one that counts the TV Recordings and the streaming on BBC iPlayer) and also less people buy the DVDs and Blu-Rays. They also came out this year about two months after he broadcast and three months for the final series.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 3, 2016 11:20:33 GMT
It's fine to state it once but there is a vocal minority who state the same opinion after every episode on every single thread on a forum. But that's their opinion still. I mean this person's audio stories are of a better quality than most of the TV Series, so he might have an argument and it's fine to state your opinion about it still. And sometimes a negative opinion isn't really a minority. I mean, look at you, you're the person who went around saying that, just because you couldn't write a story where the Doctor was the only character, Heaven Sent was going to be one of the worst Doctor Who stories. Actually, I said I doubted it would work not that it wouldn't because I wouldn't be able to do it.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 3, 2016 11:21:13 GMT
Doesn't matter. Recording the show, DVDs, Blurays, digital copies, streaming etc... aren't counted. You're wrong there. I was looking at the final ratings (the one that counts the TV Recordings and the streaming on BBC iPlayer) and also less people buy the DVDs and Blu-Rays. They also came out this year about two months after he broadcast and three months for the final series. What about all the people who illegally download it? Doesn't count them.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jun 3, 2016 11:39:46 GMT
Okay guys, leave it now. We've gotten a bit of track and its just descending into an arguement with no end.
Lets just agree to disagree on this one and move on
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 11:46:28 GMT
Okay guys, leave it now. We've gotten a bit of track and its just descending into an arguement with no end. Lets just agree to disagree on this one and move on Agreed. @budnp2013, there's nothing to fear. The programme will endure regardless of how terrible or how good it is, it always has ever since the Wilderness Years. We keep it alive and it always has the possibility to return to glory. dalekbuster523finish, his/her dislike of the current production office's direction does in no way infringe upon your enjoyment of the show, if anything it's their loss. I hope that Capaldi gets to stay on for Chibnall's run, it'd be nice to see him spread his wings under a new showrunner and I'd like to see an exploration of a few pure historical stories, I think that'd play to his strengths.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jun 3, 2016 12:01:32 GMT
Even if he only does the one season with Chibnall, it would be nice
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 3, 2016 13:25:55 GMT
Even if he only does the one season with Chibnall, it would be nice Fingers crossed he has an eight-series run and beats Tom Baker's record.
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Post by acousticwolf on Jun 3, 2016 16:15:44 GMT
I've been off the forum today, but nice to see you guys ending up being sensible and not letting things get out of hand . Cheers Tony
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 16:41:02 GMT
Even if he only does the one season with Chibnall, it would be nice I'd love it. There have been stories coming out though that this shoot for Series 10 is going to be quite relentless and leave little respite before having to do Series 11. It's a lot to ask of any actor much less a guy who will be 60 when Series 11 goes out. I wouldn't rule out, like we saw with Matt Smith, a new Doctor filming his material simultaneously with Capaldi wrapping up. I think that's the most likely but I still hope it doesn't happen. I'd like - and I love Moffat - just to see what another showrunner could do with him. Or hey, maybe Chibnall and/or The BBC want a fresh start for a fresh showrunner? We do know now, as was thought to be the case, Moffat has two Christmas specials left, this years and then the one after. Some thought Chibnall would take over after Serie 10 but no, he's not doing the Christmas special that follows it.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jun 7, 2016 10:00:33 GMT
The return of Clara, apparently!
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Post by 8doctormcgann on Jun 7, 2016 11:12:08 GMT
The return of Clara, apparently! Well... no, that's not what it said, it said the Doctor might remember her a little bit. That was all.
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