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Post by paulmorris7777 on Aug 17, 2016 10:46:57 GMT
Mike Bartlett writing for the show is pretty exciting too. Again, one of the UK's biggest showrunners being persuaded to write for the show. I really can't think of another program, anywhere, where that happens as often as it has for Who. We've had the likes of Gattis, Whithouse, Graham, Chibnall, Nye, Cross, Gaiman, and Harness all write for Who, all of whom are, or have been, showrunners of some pretty big shows of their own. Probably others I'm forgetting, but Bartlett's Doctor Foster has been a real hit with critics and audiences and I also loved his miniseries The Town with Andrew Scott. The quality of their DW writing is a matter of opinion. Peter Harness wrote Kill The Moon, Gaiman - Nightmare in Silver. Amys Choice by Simon Nye is pretty poor. Neil Cross wrote the awful Rings of Akhaten!
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Post by mark687 on Aug 17, 2016 10:51:37 GMT
I was referring to the fans favourite to be the Doctor or Master! I wasn't aware of that! Ok I understand
Personally he was my number 2 dream choice for the Master behind the late Alan Rickman but I wouldn't seeing Jacobi back unlikely as it is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 15:58:14 GMT
Mike Bartlett writing for the show is pretty exciting too. Again, one of the UK's biggest showrunners being persuaded to write for the show. I really can't think of another program, anywhere, where that happens as often as it has for Who. We've had the likes of Gattis, Whithouse, Graham, Chibnall, Nye, Cross, Gaiman, and Harness all write for Who, all of whom are, or have been, showrunners of some pretty big shows of their own. Probably others I'm forgetting, but Bartlett's Doctor Foster has been a real hit with critics and audiences and I also loved his miniseries The Town with Andrew Scott. The quality of their DW writing is a matter of opinion. Peter Harness wrote Kill The Moon, Gaiman - Nightmare in Silver. Amys Choice by Simon Nye is pretty poor. Neil Cross wrote the awful Rings of Akhaten! Gaiman also wrote The Doctor's Wife. Harness also wrote last year's well received Zygon 2-parter. Amy's Choice is one of the most popular Series 5 stories. They're still successful respected writer and showrunners - as was the actual point of the post. What's your point caller?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 16:16:26 GMT
The quality of their DW writing is a matter of opinion. Peter Harness wrote Kill The Moon, Gaiman - Nightmare in Silver. Amys Choice by Simon Nye is pretty poor. Neil Cross wrote the awful Rings of Akhaten! Gaiman also wrote The Doctor's Wife. Harness also wrote last year's well received Zygon 2-parter. Amy's Choice is one of the most popular Series 5 stories. They're still successful respected writer and showrunners - as was the actual point of the post. What's your point caller? FWIW I agree with both of you. Doctor Who attracts big name writers but I think the quality of their writing has been hit and miss. If viewpoint A is that Doctor Who consistently attracts big name writers, then virwpoint B is that that isn't any big deal if they're as likely to write utter tosh as anyone else. More than anything else I hope the delay in making S10 has given them time to get the scripts right. Gaiman for one has spoken of his unhappiness over the pressures he was working under with Nightmare in Silver, and it shows in the quality of the finished product.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 16:48:21 GMT
Gaiman also wrote The Doctor's Wife. Harness also wrote last year's well received Zygon 2-parter. Amy's Choice is one of the most popular Series 5 stories. They're still successful respected writer and showrunners - as was the actual point of the post. What's your point caller? FWIW I agree with both of you. Doctor Who attracts big name writers but I think the quality of their writing has been hit and miss. If viewpoint A is that Doctor Who consistently attracts big name writers, then virwpoint B is that that isn't any big deal if they're as likely to write utter tosh as anyone else. More than anything else I hope the delay in making S10 has given them time to get the scripts right. Gaiman for one has spoken of his unhappiness over the pressures he was working under with Nightmare in Silver, and it shows in the quality of the finished product. Difference being Viewpoint A is quantifiable - Viewpoint B is completely subjective I didn't even bring it up as anything more than an observation about the pull factor the show still has among the industry even now. 10 years on, the show is attracting mainstream, populist writers with successful tv series of their own. Paul - as is usual - just twisted it to find a way to bash NuWho.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 17:09:34 GMT
FWIW I agree with both of you. Doctor Who attracts big name writers but I think the quality of their writing has been hit and miss. If viewpoint A is that Doctor Who consistently attracts big name writers, then virwpoint B is that that isn't any big deal if they're as likely to write utter tosh as anyone else. More than anything else I hope the delay in making S10 has given them time to get the scripts right. Gaiman for one has spoken of his unhappiness over the pressures he was working under with Nightmare in Silver, and it shows in the quality of the finished product. Difference being Viewpoint A is quantifiable - Viewpoint B is completely subjective I didn't even bring it up as anything more than an observation about the pull factor the show still has among the industry even now. 10 years on, the show is attracting mainstream, populist writers with successful tv series of their own. Paul - as is usual - just twisted it to find a way to bash NuWho. I don't think that Paul is trying to bash or be rude about Nuwho, in fact I think that he is being quite optimistic in regards to the season 10 delay. This is just my 2 cents and I don't mean any disrespect Davy
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 17:14:53 GMT
Difference being Viewpoint A is quantifiable - Viewpoint B is completely subjective I didn't even bring it up as anything more than an observation about the pull factor the show still has among the industry even now. 10 years on, the show is attracting mainstream, populist writers with successful tv series of their own. Paul - as is usual - just twisted it to find a way to bash NuWho. I don't think that Paul is trying to bash or be rude about Nuwho, in fact I think that he is being quite optimistic in regards to the season 10 delay. This is just my 2 cents and I don't mean any disrespect Davy I think you've read Brians reply thinking it's Paul's it was Brian who posted the optimistic, thoughtful part. Paul just attacked NuWHo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 17:21:49 GMT
I don't think that Paul is trying to bash or be rude about Nuwho, in fact I think that he is being quite optimistic in regards to the season 10 delay. This is just my 2 cents and I don't mean any disrespect Davy I think you've read Brians reply thinking it's Paul's it was Brian who posted the optimistic, thoughtful part. Paul just attacked NuWHo. Looking back at the posts , I see that now. I apologize for reading that wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 0:08:27 GMT
Mike Bartlett writing for the show is pretty exciting too. Again, one of the UK's biggest showrunners being persuaded to write for the show. I really can't think of another program, anywhere, where that happens as often as it has for Who. We've had the likes of Gattis, Whithouse, Graham, Chibnall, Nye, Cross, Gaiman, and Harness all write for Who, all of whom are, or have been, showrunners of some pretty big shows of their own. Probably others I'm forgetting, but Bartlett's Doctor Foster has been a real hit with critics and audiences and I also loved his miniseries The Town with Andrew Scott. The quality of their DW writing is a matter of opinion. Peter Harness wrote Kill The Moon, Gaiman - Nightmare in Silver. Amys Choice by Simon Nye is pretty poor. Neil Cross wrote the awful Rings of Akhaten! Neil Gaiman is a curious example where I don't think he makes the transfer from prose to screen altogether that well. There's something about the way he writes that there's this inherent loss when it's put into a screenplay. Depending on your point of view it also happens with his Babylon 5 script "Day of the Dead", it would have been an awesome graphic novel entry, but as it stands, is missing some vital element to make it work on television. I didn't mind The Rings of Akhaten all that much beyond two glaring issues -- the Doctor's disturbingly voyeuristic peek into Clara's life at the beginning (which goes off the deep end into genuinely creepy) and the ending where Clara's life somehow manages to trump the Doctor's. It suffers from another "power of love" crutch like Time Heist did (although to be fair, that felt quite a lot like a very bad rip-off of Farscape's "Liars, Guns and Money"). Otherwise, it could have been a very good script. Cross fared quite a lot better with his later entry Hide. Nightmare in Silver is a great shame because the idea of Cybermen assuming total control of an amusement park is worthy of a two-parter. I remember being so put out by how badly it came to life (and suspecting at the time it was down to scheduling rather than a lack of skill) that I rewrote the whole thing with fleshed out characters like an NA. Still, never say die. I've given up NuWho for the time being, but in between stories like Time Heist and Nightmare of Silver there is always the occasional Vincent and the Doctor, Heaven Sent and The Snowmen. There is always the capacity for things to change and improve for the better. It's what the show thrives upon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 0:52:09 GMT
The quality of their DW writing is a matter of opinion. Peter Harness wrote Kill The Moon, Gaiman - Nightmare in Silver. Amys Choice by Simon Nye is pretty poor. Neil Cross wrote the awful Rings of Akhaten! Neil Gaiman is a curious example where I don't think he makes the transfer from prose to screen altogether that well. There's something about the way he writes that there's this inherent loss when it's put into a screenplay. Depending on your point of view it also happens with his Babylon 5 script "Day of the Dead", it would have been an awesome graphic novel entry, but as it stands, is missing some vital element to make it work on television. I didn't mind The Rings of Akhaten all that much beyond two glaring issues -- the Doctor's disturbingly voyeuristic peek into Clara's life at the beginning (which goes off the deep end into genuinely creepy) and the ending where Clara's life somehow manages to trump the Doctor's. It suffers from another "power of love" crutch like Time Heist did (although to be fair, that felt quite a lot like a very bad rip-off of Farscape's "Liars, Guns and Money"). Otherwise, it could have been a very good script. Cross fared quite a lot better with his later entry Hide. Nightmare in Silver is a great shame because the idea of Cybermen assuming total control of an amusement park is worthy of a two-parter. I remember being so put out by how badly it came to life (and suspecting at the time it was down to scheduling rather than a lack of skill) that I rewrote the whole thing with fleshed out characters like an NA. Still, never say die. I've given up NuWho for the time being, but in between stories like Time Heist and Nightmare of Silver there is always the occasional Vincent and the Doctor, Heaven Sent and The Snowmen. There is always the capacity for things to change and improve for the better. It's what the show thrives upon. I don't think 'll ever be able to be objective about Ahkaten. Matt's performance in the speech, and in particular Murray's astonishing score just elevate it so much. Honestly, it's all about that 5 minute section for me. The Long Song is maybe the one piece of Who music that just reduces me to tears every time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 2:32:42 GMT
I don't think 'll ever be able to be objective about Ahkaten. Matt's performance in the speech, and in particular Murray's astonishing score just elevate it so much. Honestly, it's all about that 5 minute section for me. The Long Song is maybe the one piece of Who music that just reduces me to tears every time. Oh, I can't fault you there. It's a beautiful piece of scoring, isn't it? Absolutely charming.
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Post by mrperson on Aug 18, 2016 2:33:35 GMT
Ahkaten was quite a mix for me. The music was something, particularly with the child singing, but I just couldn't stomach the plot. This includes but isn't limited to the "love conquers all" stuff that has infested way too many episodes in S5-9.
Time Heist I liked quite a lot. It didn't strike me as "love conquers all", but rather, 12 behaving rather like 7: a clever plot that manipulates everyone, himself included this time, to save a species at great risk to all involved. Ocean's 4, with amnesia.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 18, 2016 18:37:20 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Aug 19, 2016 20:32:32 GMT
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Aug 20, 2016 12:20:13 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Oct 4, 2016 11:46:06 GMT
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Oct 4, 2016 11:55:09 GMT
Hopefully, going back to the script editor/producer role of the classic series.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 8, 2016 13:17:41 GMT
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Oct 9, 2016 16:47:32 GMT
The end of Season 10 was the perfect time for him to leave, not the follow Xmas special. Well Hopefully he writes that or whatever straight away after he finishes the final touches to the end of Season 10.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 15, 2016 0:39:14 GMT
Given we aren't sure if Gomez will exit with Moffat, I'd actually like to see a simultaneous Doctor-Master regeneration story. Have Capaldi and Gomez go out at the same time, and then the first Chibnail episode could be a little game with the audience over who is who.
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