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Post by elkawho on Sept 5, 2019 12:29:16 GMT
Last night was The Moonbase with the DW viewing group. It was my first time seeing this one, and while I think there are an enormous amount of problems with it, it was thoroughly enjoyable. I also really like the animation of the two missing episodes.
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Post by polly on Sept 5, 2019 18:26:17 GMT
Last night was The Moonbase with the DW viewing group. It was my first time seeing this one, and while I think there are an enormous amount of problems with it, it was thoroughly enjoyable. I also really like the animation of the two missing episodes. I think Moonbase is the best-crafted animation they've ever had. As much as I appreciate the effort, many of the other ones are not exactly stunning examples of the medium. For myself... Curse of Peladon - I've always enjoyed the somewhat more Star Trek-like atmosphere of the Peladon tales. Making the Ice Warriors trustworthy allies was a very interesting move and I think it added a lot of depth to them; with this they became a culture and not a monster. Great setting and cast of characters. Wonderful atmosphere in the sets as well. I was hoping my husband would like this story, but he slept through most of Episode 1 and spent the remaining three wondering what was going on. Side note: I wasn't around in the 70s, but to my eyes Jo's date make-up and outfit are a little terrifying. Is that really what you'd wear out on the town in '72? Almost like she knew she was going to end up playing princess. Hm, maybe she read the script.
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Post by shutupbanks on Sept 5, 2019 22:30:41 GMT
Last night was The Moonbase with the DW viewing group. It was my first time seeing this one, and while I think there are an enormous amount of problems with it, it was thoroughly enjoyable. I also really like the animation of the two missing episodes. I think Moonbase is the best-crafted animation they've ever had. As much as I appreciate the effort, many of the other ones are not exactly stunning examples of the medium. For myself... Curse of Peladon - I've always enjoyed the somewhat more Star Trek-like atmosphere of the Peladon tales. Making the Ice Warriors trustworthy allies was a very interesting move and I think it added a lot of depth to them; with this they became a culture and not a monster. Great setting and cast of characters. Wonderful atmosphere in the sets as well. I was hoping my husband would like this story, but he slept through most of Episode 1 and spent the remaining three wondering what was going on. Side note: I wasn't around in the 70s, but to my eyes Jo's date make-up and outfit are a little terrifying. Is that really what you'd wear out on the town in '72? Almost like she knew she was going to end up playing princess. Hm, maybe she read the script. I think she was trying to let Mike down as gently as possible all the way through her run. There’s only so many times that you can be washing your hair, after all. And she does have to work with the guy: dressing like that in your off hours might drop a couple of subtle hints that you want to be left alone.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Sept 6, 2019 1:17:08 GMT
It’s Terrance Time in Chez Hats.
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Post by polly on Sept 6, 2019 19:13:58 GMT
I think she was trying to let Mike down as gently as possible all the way through her run. There’s only so many times that you can be washing your hair, after all. And she does have to work with the guy: dressing like that in your off hours might drop a couple of subtle hints that you want to be left alone. I suppose that could be. But I wouldn't put it past Jo to just dress like that for the hell of it, she's a bit weird, that one. The Sea Devils - Another good story. This revisit is really making me appreciate how consistent the Pertwee years really were. You get perhaps one subpar outing per season, and in Season 7 you got a winner with every single one. Roger Delgado is a treasure they never managed to match or better. I'm shocked UNIT managed to hang on to him this long after Devil's End, even if he is basically running the prison. I do love a sea story, and this one gets a lot of free production value courtesy of the Royal Navy. Barry Letts and Uncle Terrance really were wily guys, weren't they? I'm kind of amused that they repeated the entire sword fight at the start of Episode 3. They must've been really proud of it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 6:09:08 GMT
I think she was trying to let Mike down as gently as possible all the way through her run. There’s only so many times that you can be washing your hair, after all. And she does have to work with the guy: dressing like that in your off hours might drop a couple of subtle hints that you want to be left alone. I suppose that could be. But I wouldn't put it past Jo to just dress like that for the hell of it, she's a bit weird, that one. The Sea Devils - Another good story. This revisit is really making me appreciate how consistent the Pertwee years really were. You get perhaps one subpar outing per season, and in Season 7 you got a winner with every single one. Roger Delgado is a treasure they never managed to match or better. I'm shocked UNIT managed to hang on to him this long after Devil's End, even if he is basically running the prison. I do love a sea story, and this one gets a lot of free production value courtesy of the Royal Navy. Barry Letts and Uncle Terrance really were wily guys, weren't they? I'm kind of amused that they repeated the entire sword fight at the start of Episode 3. They must've been really proud of it. The writer, Malcolm Hulke, really excelled at complex characters as well. Trenchard's got to be my favourite from this particular story. He's a fundamentally good man with a strong will (tellingly the Master never tried to hypnotise him), but a poor judge of character in the end. When the Sea Devils reach the prison, his decision to order one of his men away and deal with the consequences of his actions personally is a real highlight. Great showing for the Master, by proxy. Even bound and removed of his alien advantages, he's still an awfully convincing personality.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 11:12:20 GMT
The writer, Malcolm Hulke, really excelled at complex characters as well. Trenchard's got to be my favourite from this particular story. He's a fundamentally good man with a strong will (tellingly the Master never tried to hypnotise him), but a poor judge of character in the end. When the Sea Devils reach the prison, his decision to order one of his men away and deal with the consequences of his actions personally is a real highlight. Great showing for the Master, by proxy. Even bound and removed of his alien advantages, he's still an awfully convincing personality. was it in his novel that Trenchard had forgotten to take the safety off, or was that some other poor unfortunate? Yep, that was definitely Trenchard. I like the little bit of flavour text before the confrontation that puts his character into perspective: He considers calling Captain Hart to confess his mistake (friend-to-friend), but a failed phone call to the Minister of State's secretary makes him feel fool enough already. He takes the gun and goes to live up to some great family legend. Even though there's no need, he still feels that obligation. Unfortunately, but fittingly, fate doesn't grant him even that. It's really nicely written.
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Post by tuigirl on Sept 8, 2019 20:01:27 GMT
I did a re-watch today of the audio commentary of the TV movie DVD, featuring Sylvester, Nick and Paul. In hindsight, it is fun to listen to Paul being a bit out of his depth here and Sylvester and Nick audibly rolling their eyes a couple of times. It also has some great banter in it between the three of them and their humor made me smile several times. Very entertaining listen.
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Post by constonks on Sept 8, 2019 23:20:14 GMT
I'm kind of amused that they repeated the entire sword fight at the start of Episode 3. They must've been really proud of it. I'm continually disappointed that the Doctor doesn't mention that fight in The King's Demons. Something along the lines of "You seem familiar, have we swordfought before?"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 1:12:46 GMT
I'm kind of amused that they repeated the entire sword fight at the start of Episode 3. They must've been really proud of it. I'm continually disappointed that the Doctor doesn't mention that fight in The King's Demons. Something along the lines of "You seem familiar, have we swordfought before?" *clang*"I only ask because you stance is all wrong." *shing*
"Is that sword properly balanced?" *twang*"Because you seem--" *clang* "--to be fighting--" *whack* "--as though" *clash* "--with a rapier." *disarms him* "It's you, isn't it?"
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Post by MayoTango131 on Sept 9, 2019 2:58:21 GMT
Yes but how did the Locals get DOWN there? even if he had went up there then retreated how did he put the wooden beam across the door? Don't think about it too hard, Sweetie, you might break something.... The locals are Autons and the Pandorica was a big trap for the Doctor.
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Post by number13 on Sept 9, 2019 12:12:40 GMT
I'm continually disappointed that the Doctor doesn't mention that fight in The King's Demons. Something along the lines of "You seem familiar, have we swordfought before?" *clang*"I only ask because you stance is all wrong." *shing*
"Is that sword properly balanced?" *twang*"Because you seem--" *clang* "--to be fighting--" *whack* "--as though" *clash* "--with a rapier." *disarms him* "It's you, isn't it?" (Sneering) "Oh Doctor, finally you see the truth! You have my sword, what is your next triumph to be? My sandwich?"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 23:53:14 GMT
*clang*"I only ask because you stance is all wrong." *shing*
"Is that sword properly balanced?" *twang*"Because you seem--" *clang* "--to be fighting--" *whack* "--as though" *clash* "--with a rapier." *disarms him* "It's you, isn't it?" (Sneering) "Oh Doctor, finally you see the truth! You have my sword, what is your next triumph to be? My sandwich?" "I had my fill of ham at the banquet, fortunately. You know what they say, the only prison we make is that for ourselves." This is fun.
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Post by number13 on Sept 10, 2019 1:14:46 GMT
(Sneering) "Oh Doctor, finally you see the truth! You have my sword, what is your next triumph to be? My sandwich?" "I had my fill of ham at the banquet, fortunately. You know what they say, the only prison we make is that for ourselves." This is fun.
"As you did with UNIT, Doctor? I cut short my incarceration on that miserable planet at the earliest opportunity - you gave yourself extra time for good behaviour!"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 1:39:07 GMT
"I had my fill of ham at the banquet, fortunately. You know what they say, the only prison we make is that for ourselves." This is fun.
"As you did with UNIT, Doctor? I cut short my incarceration on that miserable planet at the earliest opportunity - you gave yourself extra time for good behaviour!"
"Yes, it's almost as if I allowed myself a degree of accountability for my behaviour. I had a responsibility to them, just as I do here. You seem to be making up for the past you never had. What are you up to?"
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Post by polly on Sept 10, 2019 21:00:35 GMT
The Mutants - I hated this the first time I saw it, and I still hate it. I should have known when it opened with a guest appearance from the It's Man it was gonna be a bad time. Everyone is VERY LOUD AND HAMMY. Except the part of Cotton, who is apparently being played by an uncarved wooden block. Overlong, overcooked, and no charm.
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Post by number13 on Sept 11, 2019 13:43:06 GMT
The Mutants - I hated this the first time I saw it, and I still hate it. I should have known when it opened with a guest appearance from the It's Man it was gonna be a bad time. Everyone is VERY LOUD AND HAMMY. Except the part of Cotton, who is apparently being played by an uncarved wooden block. Overlong, overcooked, and no charm. It's the only Pertwee-era story I don't like (and I simply love most of them, he's my Doctor, forever!) This one is worthy, but dull and as you say, overplayed. And Jo hardly has anything to do in six episodes except be held prisoner.
I know I saw it in the 70s but I can't have liked it then either because I forgot it until I read the novel years later. It can't have helped that it came straight after the outstanding Sea Devils.
EDIT: I quite like the novelisation, it compresses the six-parter to normal 'Target' length and of course the characters come over differently in print.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 15:49:04 GMT
The Mutants - I hated this the first time I saw it, and I still hate it. I should have known when it opened with a guest appearance from the It's Man it was gonna be a bad time. Everyone is VERY LOUD AND HAMMY. Except the part of Cotton, who is apparently being played by an uncarved wooden block. Overlong, overcooked, and no charm. It's the only Pertwee-era story I don't like (and I simply love most of them, he's my Doctor, forever!) This one is worthy, but dull and as you say, overplayed. And Jo hardly has anything to do in six episodes except be held prisoner.
I know I saw it in the 70s but I can't have liked it then either because I forgot it until I read the novel years later. It can't have helped that it came straight after the outstanding Sea Devils.
EDIT: I quite like the novelisation, it compresses the six-parter to normal 'Target' length and of course the characters come over differently in print.
I loved how awful Rick James as Cotton was. "We'll all be done for..." delivered like he was totally nonplussed by the end of it all.
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Post by number13 on Sept 11, 2019 17:22:42 GMT
It's the only Pertwee-era story I don't like (and I simply love most of them, he's my Doctor, forever!) This one is worthy, but dull and as you say, overplayed. And Jo hardly has anything to do in six episodes except be held prisoner.
I know I saw it in the 70s but I can't have liked it then either because I forgot it until I read the novel years later. It can't have helped that it came straight after the outstanding Sea Devils.
EDIT: I quite like the novelisation, it compresses the six-parter to normal 'Target' length and of course the characters come over differently in print.
I loved how awful Rick James as Cotton was. "We'll all be done for..." delivered like he was totally nonplussed by the end of it all. Talk about finding the positives! Oh dear.... it's such a brilliant season for the first three stories - and I really enjoy 'The Time Monster' too, there I've said it!
I think I said in another post somewhere, watching 'The Mutants' now it strikes me that if it had been made just a bit earlier during the HAVOC period, it would have turned out differently and far more excitingly - I imagine stunt sequences that sort of look as if they should be there, but aren't. (If that makes any sense at all.) And if it had been a four-parter, that would have helped a lot.
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Post by polly on Sept 11, 2019 19:43:26 GMT
I loved how awful Rick James as Cotton was. "We'll all be done for..." delivered like he was totally nonplussed by the end of it all. I did find him weirdly charming despite what an awful performance it is. There's a bit in one of the cliffhangers (episode 4 or 5)? The one where they're in the fuelling room. And he gives the most audible, panto gasp before settling back into flat line readings....how can you not love it?
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