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Feb 10, 2017 17:55:24 GMT
Post by jasonward on Feb 10, 2017 17:55:24 GMT
The thing that I see as most informative in that article is what is said about Ireland, I think this area (of negotiating Brexit) is going to be systematically problematic, by which what I mean, is it will force something to happen that will be even more problematic. - Eire quits the EU
- NI leaves the UK and joins Eire
- NI remains in the EU and leaves custom union with the rest of the UK
- The peace process is thrown in turmoil and border control are put in place
- The EU, UK and Eire pretend no problems exist, and goods, money and people flow freely through the Eire / NI border
What other options exist? My guess is that it will be some form of "NI remains in the EU and leaves custom union with the rest of the UK". But all that will do is strengthen Scotland's hand for the exact same thing, and if that happens, you got to start thinking Wales my want to look at its options. At which point you really got to be looking the dissolution of the "United Kingdom" and "Great Britain" unions, not so much the exit of Britain, more the ending of Britain as political and economic entity.
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Feb 10, 2017 18:57:50 GMT
Post by aztec on Feb 10, 2017 18:57:50 GMT
The thing that I see as most informative in that article is what is said about Ireland, I think this area (of negotiating Brexit) is going to be systematically problematic, by which what I mean, is it will force something to happen that will be even more problematic. - Eire quits the EU
- NI leaves the UK and joins Eire
- NI remains in the EU and leaves custom union with the rest of the UK
- The peace process is thrown in turmoil and border control are put in place
- The EU, UK and Eire pretend no problems exist, and goods, money and people flow freely through the Eire / NI border
What other options exist? My guess is that it will be some form of "NI remains in the EU and leaves custom union with the rest of the UK". But all that will do is strengthen Scotland's hand for the exact same thing, and if that happens, you got to start thinking Wales my want to look at its options. At which point you really got to be looking the dissolution of the "United Kingdom" and "Great Britain" unions, not so much the exit of Britain, more the ending of Britain as political and economic entity. I don't think many Brexiteers either thought or cared about the wider implications for the United Kingdom, ironically in their desperation to restore 'sovereignty' to the UK (i.e England) they might well have hastened its destruction, that the Conservative And Unionist party called the referendum just two years after a narrowly defeated Scottish Independence referendum was astounding that they don't appear to care or listen to the grievances of the devolved administrations isn't surprising at all...
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Feb 11, 2017 2:54:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2017 2:54:19 GMT
The thing that I see as most informative in that article is what is said about Ireland, I think this area (of negotiating Brexit) is going to be systematically problematic, by which what I mean, is it will force something to happen that will be even more problematic. - Eire quits the EU
- NI leaves the UK and joins Eire
- NI remains in the EU and leaves custom union with the rest of the UK
- The peace process is thrown in turmoil and border control are put in place
- The EU, UK and Eire pretend no problems exist, and goods, money and people flow freely through the Eire / NI border
None are perfect scenarios, or easy solutions, but in order; 1) Not going to happen. 2) I personally would love this to happen, but it's not likely in the immediate future... or my lifetime even. 3) Possible. 4) Could happen, but unlikely... as nobody really wants a return to the bad old days of checkpoints and barriers. 5) Very possible! So my money is on the latter of those five bullet points Jason. For the Leave voters in the referendum it was more about sticking it to those nasty Germans and Frenchies that make the rules and waste EU money that could be spent on the NHS, or stopping all "those immigrants that take our jobs" that was the agenda. Ireland and her green fields wasn't even on their radar. But yes, Brexit is going to cause some problems over here.
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Feb 11, 2017 11:32:12 GMT
Post by aztec on Feb 11, 2017 11:32:12 GMT
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Feb 11, 2017 11:49:55 GMT
Post by jasonward on Feb 11, 2017 11:49:55 GMT
The thing that I see as most informative in that article is what is said about Ireland, I think this area (of negotiating Brexit) is going to be systematically problematic, by which what I mean, is it will force something to happen that will be even more problematic. - Eire quits the EU
- NI leaves the UK and joins Eire
- NI remains in the EU and leaves custom union with the rest of the UK
- The peace process is thrown in turmoil and border control are put in place
- The EU, UK and Eire pretend no problems exist, and goods, money and people flow freely through the Eire / NI border
None are perfect scenarios, or easy solutions, but in order; 1) Not going to happen. 2) I personally would love this to happen, but it's not likely in the immediate future... or my lifetime even. 3) Possible. 4) Could happen, but unlikely... as nobody really wants a return to the bad old days of checkpoints and barriers. 5) Very possible! So my money is on the latter of those five bullet points Jason. For the Leave voters in the referendum it was more about sticking it to those nasty Germans and Frenchies that make the rules and waste EU money that could be spent on the NHS, or stopping all "those immigrants that take our jobs" that was the agenda. Ireland and her green fields wasn't even on their radar. But yes, Brexit is going to cause some problems over here. I certain expect there to be an element of option 5 in whatever the ultimate solution is, but it can't be the solution in of itself, otherwise NI and Eire will become a major import/export hub as importers and exporters choose which customs regime to they want to use and also to avoid customs all together for UK<>EU imports/exports, the loss of revenue to both the UK and the EU will quickly become unacceptable.
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Feb 11, 2017 14:16:18 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2017 14:16:18 GMT
For the Leave voters in the referendum it was more about sticking it to those nasty Germans and Frenchies that make the rules and waste EU money that could be spent on the NHS, or stopping all "those immigrants that take our jobs" that was the agenda. Ireland and her green fields wasn't even on their radar. But yes, Brexit is going to cause some problems over here. I certain expect there to be an element of option 5 in whatever the ultimate solution is, but it can't be the solution in of itself, otherwise NI and Eire will become a major import/export hub as importers and exporters choose which customs regime to they want to use and also to avoid customs all together for UK<>EU imports/exports, the loss of revenue to both the UK and the EU will quickly become unacceptable. Funny you should mention import/export hubs.... This was in the Irish Independent (Newspaper) in November. Shipping Hub
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Post by mark687 on Mar 20, 2017 11:51:52 GMT
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 20, 2017 12:57:29 GMT
Oh God. The apocalypse is getting closer...
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Mar 20, 2017 17:24:32 GMT
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Mar 20, 2017 17:24:32 GMT
Crying....
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Mar 20, 2017 17:56:33 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 17:56:33 GMT
Oh God. The apocalypse is getting closer... Suppose the riot is coming.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 17:56:53 GMT
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Mar 31, 2017 21:10:45 GMT
Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 31, 2017 21:10:45 GMT
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Mar 31, 2017 21:31:42 GMT
Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 31, 2017 21:31:42 GMT
Well, he likes (metaphorically) the sound of his own voice at least.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 31, 2017 21:39:11 GMT
Well, he likes (metaphorically) the sound of his own voice at least. Ha. He does.
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Apr 4, 2017 5:50:12 GMT
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Apr 4, 2017 5:50:12 GMT
Trigger...
It was handing over a letter...
You know ghe man who wrote article 50... only had it put in... just incase an extreatment gov got in somewhere in europe.
I hate my this so much.
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Apr 4, 2017 23:53:08 GMT
Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 4, 2017 23:53:08 GMT
Trigger... It was handing over a letter... You know ghe man who wrote article 50... only had it put in... just incase an extreatment gov got in somewhere in europe. I hate my this so much. Extremist? I think your spellcheck hates you.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Apr 5, 2017 9:06:20 GMT
Trigger... It was handing over a letter... You know ghe man who wrote article 50... only had it put in... just incase an extreatment gov got in somewhere in europe. I hate my this so much. Extremist? I think your spellcheck hates you. Dyslexia and typing on a phone without y glasses... It's never going to end well
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Apr 8, 2017 17:26:29 GMT
Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 8, 2017 17:26:29 GMT
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Apr 8, 2017 18:25:34 GMT
Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 8, 2017 18:25:34 GMT
Not in the least bit sorry for her. People are comparing her to Thatcher. Wrong. If Thatcher had found herself in May's position, a quiet remain supporter now beceome PM, there would be no Brexit. No amount of "will of the people" would have changed Thatcher's mind on her beliefs.
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Jul 4, 2017 18:50:07 GMT
Post by aztec on Jul 4, 2017 18:50:07 GMT
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