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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 20:20:52 GMT
I'm sorry you are unable to accept the reality of the numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That really isn't my problem. Obama came into office with unemployment at right around 10%. He left office with unemployment at 4.6% Anything else in there you want to discus within the scope of those numbers, I'm fine with but if you want to dispute the basic facts, then you may have that discussion with someone else willing to play that game. I'm done trying to talk rationally with anyone who choses to use alternative facts as the basis for their opinion. BBC reports that those aren't the numbers of unemployed, they're the number of people seeking work. The same item was saying there have been a lot of people give up on finding jobs and drop off the system.
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Post by kimalysong on Jan 24, 2017 20:48:22 GMT
Trump just ordered a complete freeze on the EPA. No grants to contracts can go through without review and more importantly the EPA is in a complete media blackout no updates to social media or the Press.
He also reversed Obama's decision and is advancing the Dakota Access Pipeline which infringes on Native American Land. He has stock in the pipeline's parent company. No conflict of interest there.
Please do not tell me I should give this man a chance. It's only been a few days and everything he has been doing is against everything I believe in.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 24, 2017 21:14:45 GMT
Trump just ordered a complete freeze on the EPA. No grants to contracts can go through without review and more importantly the EPA is in a complete media blackout no updates to social media or the Press. He also revered Obama's decision and is advancing the Dakota Access Pipeline which infringes on Native American Land. He has stock in the pipeline's parent company. No conflict of interest there. Please do not tell me I should give this man a chance. It's only been a few days and everything he has been doing is against everything I believe in. And the level of leaks coming out of the White House is something I have never seen before.
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Post by theotherjosh on Jan 24, 2017 21:31:03 GMT
Trump just ordered a complete freeze on the EPA. No grants to contracts can go through without review and more importantly the EPA is in a complete media blackout no updates to social media or the Press. He also revered Obama's decision and is advancing the Dakota Access Pipeline which infringes on Native American Land. He has stock in the pipeline's parent company. No conflict of interest there. Please do not tell me I should give this man a chance. It's only been a few days and everything he has been doing is against everything I believe in. The thing that hits me on the most visceral level is that man who is destroying my country (and I say that without an ounce of hyperbole. I firmly believe that the United States will not recover from his presidency in my lifetime) lacks the basic understanding to comprehend what he's doing.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 24, 2017 21:44:11 GMT
He is also on a pace to sign more executive orders in his first 100 days than Obama did his entire 8 years in office. Remember executive overreach? Guess that only applies if its a Democrat in the White House.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 24, 2017 22:15:31 GMT
It isn't as if English is our national language. You shouldn't have to read it to drive. Signs should have symbols or alternative languages to help foreign language speakers. If they have a license, that means that they did pass a test, and presumably showed that they were able to obey the signs even if they can't read English. I'm not sure if you're American or not, but it doesn't really matter, what matters is, no one is really taught to drive anymore. I was coming from the north on a green light, making a right hand turn, a woman pulled in front of me, she was turn left, we both pulled into the same parking lot and she told me she had the right of way, and she was as American and southern as I am. She believed she had the right to turn left at a green light. No one ever taught her different, how she has survived till now I have no idea. Since they took driver's education out of most schools, the roads have gotten crazy. Distracted driving is over 50 percent, I know this, because I see it all night long, most folks text or have their phones sitting on their laps as they drive past me, or they are on their phones. They have no idea what is happening more than a few feet in front of their vehicle. This is a topic that affects me directly, I drive for a living, and I'm the safest driver on the planet, IMO, but I can back it up, no accidents, no tickets, and I'm pushing 50. Had one drive by me in the rain last night, I was doin under the speed limit at 67, and they had to be doin 100, in a downpour, with no tail lights. It's crazy out there, and ill tell you, there is nothing on a drivers test that says you have to be able to read English. It's a government agency, so its messed up, like all the others, absolutely no common sense. I was born in Manhattan and grew up in the suburbs of Washington D.C. I'm as American as its possible to be. I don't know what its like where you live, but I had to go to driver's ed before I could get my license. The school didn't offer it, but I took it at a local synagogue in a program taught by police officers. They didn't test our English skills (why would they?) but they did quiz us on the signs as part of the test.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 24, 2017 22:51:22 GMT
Trump's government hiring freeze is probably going to hurt the economy in my hometown. Everybody there either works for the government, or makes money by providing goods and services to people who work for the government. Some people like to complain about government inefficiency, but hiring fewer people is the oppossite of solving that problem. And I'm tired of people scapegoating the Americans who do the most for our country by choosing to work in our government.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 24, 2017 23:13:56 GMT
Trump's government hiring freeze is probably going to hurt the economy in my hometown. Everybody there either works for the government, or makes money by providing goods and services to people who work for the government. Some people like to complain about government inefficiency, but hiring fewer people is the oppossite of solving that problem. And I'm tired of people scapegoating the Americans who do the most for our country by choosing to work in our government. You are right of course but then because this is where we are when announcing it today Press Sec. Spicer said that the freeze, “counters the dramatic expansion of the federal workforce in recent years.” Stop if you know where this is going but that is total bullpucky. I hate to get all worked up over alternative facts but government freezes occur when new administrations come to power. Why dress it up with a easily disproven lie? Anyway, that was Day 4.
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Post by barnabaslives on Jan 24, 2017 23:16:13 GMT
Many of them need to drive in order to work and earn money. A better solution would probably be for road signs in areas with a lot of immigrants to be in English and Spanish. Yeah, they need to work, and they need to learn English, period. Why should I have to spend money to put up all new signs in English and Spanish? Do you realize how many signs we are talking about? And what about street signs? It's not my job to change to accommodate them, it's their job to get educated. Just as its not my fault if someone quit school and never learned how to read. I'm sorry for them, and they may have had a good reason, but they still shouldn't be able to get a drivers license. Learning the signs of the road wouldn't take the average person more than 1 day, stop, merge, stay right, stay left, children playing, men working, slow work zone, speed limit, hill slow moving vehicles, there are all kinds of road signs, and replacing them is not an option to me, because it just wastes to much money Perhaps we need to do a slightly better job making sure street and road signs use more universally recognizable symbols so they speak to people regardless of their fluency or literacy in a particular language? After all, we do aspire to welcome tourists from all over the world and enthusiastically collect their spending money, so perhaps some of those proceeds somewhat offset the cost of trying to keep them out of the ditch? Of course, while none of us want to pay for any road sign revisions, I'm sure the sign makers probably wouldn't complain very loudly. Some time ago, one of our state governors out west banned tobacco use in state parks, which must have involved an awful lot of no smoking signs. Naturally, if anyone it will be taxpayers and not sign makers who ask the important question of who exactly is going to enforce this most ambitious ban, the bears? I don't have much to say about the whole affair but sarcasm really - while this particular governor probably isn't saving the squirrels from the imminent dangers of global warming and deforestation, he's at least saving them from second-hand smoke. I think my advice to people would be to demand jobs that actually make a bit of sense, but who am I to try to give everyone advice? :-)
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 25, 2017 1:07:04 GMT
I in no way, shape or form condone and/or excuse violence or vandalism but locking up reporters & journalists trying to do their job in covering a story is really beyond the pale. What is our country becoming? Russia? Ohwaitaminute.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 25, 2017 6:49:49 GMT
I'm sorry you are unable to accept the reality of the numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That really isn't my problem. Obama came into office with unemployment at right around 10%. He left office with unemployment at 4.6% Anything else in there you want to discus within the scope of those numbers, I'm fine with but if you want to dispute the basic facts, then you may have that discussion with someone else willing to play that game. I'm done trying to talk rationally with anyone who choses to use alternative facts as the basis for their opinion. BBC reports that those aren't the numbers of unemployed, they're the number of people seeking work. The same item was saying there have been a lot of people give up on finding jobs and drop off the system. Anyone who wants to accept the numbers of the Bureau of Labor Stats as the end all be all of unemployment, then preaches about misrepresenting the facts, is closed minded. And if saying someone is closed minded is a crime on here, then I'm guilty. I wonder how many sources anyone who believes in global warming checks before coming to an opinion? It's no wonder that folks like me are hard pressed to just sit back and accept the word of 'one who knows'(Starhawk, from the original Guardians of the Galaxy.) And I can provide sources from the federal government, that state that the numbers listed by the Bureau of Labor Stats are flawed by the FACT that people who have not reported looking for work in the last 4 weeks drop off the system. I'm not disputing the facts, just Nathan's 'facts' All this goes back to Bush II, that's when it was discovered that the numbers are skewed that way, but nobody really seemed to care, and it looks like some still don't, they just accept whatever line the Bureau of Labor Stats gives them, and that's a fact.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 25, 2017 6:57:12 GMT
Trump just ordered a complete freeze on the EPA. No grants to contracts can go through without review and more importantly the EPA is in a complete media blackout no updates to social media or the Press. He also reversed Obama's decision and is advancing the Dakota Access Pipeline which infringes on Native American Land. He has stock in the pipeline's parent company. No conflict of interest there. Please do not tell me I should give this man a chance. It's only been a few days and everything he has been doing is against everything I believe in. Well, Trump did say he would advance the Dakota pipeline, and that I agree with, I'm sorry you are against it, but it creates jobs, and makes the USA less dependent on foreign oil, I'm all for that, I would like to see him come to an arrangement that moves it off the Native American land, or at the very least make it more worth their while, at the same time guaranteeing that there will be no diverse affects of the pipeline. Just up the road we have almost the same type of thing goin on, with a huge company trying to run an outflow pipe from a hydrogen plant into one of our main water ways, they say the environmental effects will be minimal, but what does that mean? Can we eat the fish? Can we swim? How bout a strait answer instead of a spin. As far as the EPA goes, I have no problem with the freeze, but the media blackout is concerning, especially if it lasts for awhile.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 25, 2017 7:01:01 GMT
He is also on a pace to sign more executive orders in his first 100 days than Obama did his entire 8 years in office. Remember executive overreach? Guess that only applies if its a Democrat in the White House. Obama opened the door, big mistake. AND I HATE IT. I hate executive orders, I don't care what side they come from. They just avoid the check and balance system, and it's up to congress to put an end to it. Seriously, does anyone on here believe that congress can agree on anything at all? They love it when their guy is in charge, but hate it when the other guy is, it makes me sick.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 25, 2017 7:23:32 GMT
The photo op is coming, Paul Ryan and Donald Trump, all that stands between those 2 is the US Senate, if it passes the senate, then Trump's first real bill will be to sign into law, the stopping of federally funded abortion. www.c-span.org/video/?422612-101/us-house-passes-abortion-funding-banI'm the oddball conservative Christian who believes in abortion. I'm a realist, many people can afford an abortion better than paying for a kid for 18 plus years, and why should a child be raised by someone who doesn't want them, that's just cruel to the kids. Still, I'm happy my tax dollars will not be paying for them anymore, I didn't have the sex, so why should I have to pay for the after affects? I raised my kids, and paid with my blood, sweat and tears, not to mention my hard earned dollars.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 9:03:36 GMT
Trump just ordered a complete freeze on the EPA. No grants to contracts can go through without review and more importantly the EPA is in a complete media blackout no updates to social media or the Press. He also reversed Obama's decision and is advancing the Dakota Access Pipeline which infringes on Native American Land. He has stock in the pipeline's parent company. No conflict of interest there. Please do not tell me I should give this man a chance. It's only been a few days and everything he has been doing is against everything I believe in. I completely agree, I have several native American friends on Google+ who are protesting against this & i support them 100%, the land is there's so how dare someone come along & decide to stick a pipeline through it you wouldn't do that to someones home.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 25, 2017 12:16:48 GMT
Trump just ordered a complete freeze on the EPA. No grants to contracts can go through without review and more importantly the EPA is in a complete media blackout no updates to social media or the Press. He also reversed Obama's decision and is advancing the Dakota Access Pipeline which infringes on Native American Land. He has stock in the pipeline's parent company. No conflict of interest there. Please do not tell me I should give this man a chance. It's only been a few days and everything he has been doing is against everything I believe in. I completely agree, I have several native American friends on Google+ who are protesting against this & i support them 100%, the land is there's so how dare someone come along & decide to stick a pipeline through it you wouldn't do that to someones home. I was talking with Rhonda about it this morning, he's backtracked on it because he has money involved (so much for not getting involved in his business interests now he's President), and he's doing the opposite of everything he said he'd do in office. He says he wants to create jobs, well to do that, he should move the route of the pipeline around Native land. Then they'll be able to keep working and have more jobs available.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 25, 2017 14:39:14 GMT
Still, I'm happy my tax dollars will not be paying for them anymore, I didn't have the sex, so why should I have to pay for the after affects? I raised my kids, and paid with my blood, sweat and tears, not to mention my hard earned dollars. We all pay taxes to help other people. People who don't have kids still pay for our schools, and the taxes of those who can afford to pay them help those who can't. Part of being in a community means that we all help eachother out.
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Post by theotherjosh on Jan 25, 2017 17:49:11 GMT
I can’t speak on the specifics of economics earlier in the thread, but I’m in a good position to refute some of these more recent claims. My education is in technical writing, and I work as an analyst as a living. I don’t have a graduate degree, but I’ve been doing it for a long time. In my day to day work, I take specialized information and rewrite as something people without specialized education can understand. My wife is the director of women’s issues at the local YWCA, and before that she worked at a domestic violence shelter. Consequently, she’s very well-informed about the topics being discussed here, both at policy levels and as they are executed in practice at the individual level. Facts are facts. That one can't or won't accept them isn't really important to any discussion. By every single metric we use to track employment, we know that unemployment was cut in half under President Obama. It's not a discussion. We can argue over the quality of the jobs. We can argue could more have been done but what can't be argued is the 4.6% unemployment rate he left office with. That is the baseline that any discussion begins with. Again, one can argue over the specifics of the policies and the accomplishments, what can't be argued are the accomplishments and policies that happened on Obama's watch. People are entitled to their own opinion. People are not entitled to their own facts. Then find out the facts, www.cnbc.com/2015/05/20/40-percent-of-unemployed-have-quit-looking-for-jobs.htmlThe facts are that the unemployment numbers do NOT include people who no longer have unemployment benefits available to them, THAT'S A FACT! Spin it anyway you like, but this link will say what I have above, people who have quit looking for work, and those who are no longer eligible for unemployment are not counted in the stats. A very small percentage is used, and look how well that worked out for Hillary. The numbers just don't add up, that's a fact. Not an opinion. www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htmBy the way, the unpaid family workers counting as employed is a joke. This makes my wife employed because she babysits our grand daughter and makes nothing but memories(best payment around). To count as unemployed you must have looked for a job in the past 4 weeks, who besides the employment administration keeps those figures, and only when you call in to report do you indicate that you have been searching for work, so after you have no benefits, you no longer report. When 2500 people show up for 150 jobs, you can pretty much deduce the unemployment rate is a joke. The error here is that you’re not comparing apples to apples. You’re technically correct, but, despite what Futurama would have you believe, that is not in fact the best kind of correct. There are any number of difficulties when you boil down something very complex down to a single number. In many cases, it represents the least bad compromise. Yes, the U-3, what we mean when we say “The unemployment rate” with no qualifiers, and yes it’s a flawed metric. However, it’s one of six metrics used to measure the unemployment rate. (Take a look at the U-6, for instance) For better or worse, this is what we use to represent the unemployment rate. You haven’t refuted Nathan’s points; you’ve thrown up your hands in a warbled yalp of “ThisisntperfectsoImstompyingmyfeetandrejectingit!” We just cant assume that what someone puts out there is a fact. It's a fact that a hummingbird can fly. It's also a fact that science says it's impossible for a hummingbird to fly. 2 facts, that contradict. A.) I think you probably mean "bumblebee" instead of hummingbird. B.) A good scientist would not say "It's impossible for a bumblebee to fly." A good scientist would say "We don't understand the mechanism that allows bumblebees to fly, but they appear to do so, so we'd better get to work on explaining this apparent discrepancy." C.) We actually do know how they fly. www.snopes.com/science/bumblebees.aspHe is also on a pace to sign more executive orders in his first 100 days than Obama did his entire 8 years in office. Remember executive overreach? Guess that only applies if its a Democrat in the White House. Obama opened the door, big mistake. AND I HATE IT. I hate executive orders, I don't care what side they come from. They just avoid the check and balance system, and it's up to congress to put an end to it. According to this list ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders#Consolidated_list_by_President), Obama’s immediate predecessor signed more executive orders than he did, but this argument baffles me. Are you asserting that if Obama had not signed executive orders in order to advance his agenda, then Trump would not now be signing his own? I find that line of reasoning...questionable. The photo op is coming, Paul Ryan and Donald Trump, all that stands between those 2 is the US Senate, if it passes the senate, then Trump's first real bill will be to sign into law, the stopping of federally funded abortion. www.c-span.org/video/?422612-101/us-house-passes-abortion-funding-banI'm the oddball conservative Christian who believes in abortion. I'm a realist, many people can afford an abortion better than paying for a kid for 18 plus years, and why should a child be raised by someone who doesn't want them, that's just cruel to the kids. Still, I'm happy my tax dollars will not be paying for them anymore, I didn't have the sex, so why should I have to pay for the after affects? I raised my kids, and paid with my blood, sweat and tears, not to mention my hard earned dollars. The Hyde Amendment has been the law of the land for 40 years, so nobody's tax dollars are paying for abortions. Can we dispense with that now? The Mexico City policy is incredibly broad, and what does it does is withhold funds from organizations that merely provide information about abortion. Not even advocating it. It bans discussing it, informing about it. It bans acknowledging it. It’s worth repeating that activities associated with abortion represent a fraction of the services offered by organizations involved in women’s health. The figure I usually see cited is 3% for Planned Parenthood and that’s pretty consistent across the board. When Bush 43 reinstated the gag rule, affected countries saw a large increase in the number of abortions. Because outlawing abortions doesn’t reduce the numbers of abortions. It reduces the number of safe abortions. So people are going to die. And not just women. They’ll die from STIs, they’ll die from preventable diseases of other sorts, because affected clinics were starved for funds.
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Post by jasonward on Jan 25, 2017 18:06:59 GMT
Obama opened the door, big mistake. It's Obama's fault that Trump is signing record numbers of executive orders?
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Post by jasonward on Jan 25, 2017 18:11:07 GMT
I'm happy my tax dollars will not be paying for them anymore, I didn't have the sex, so why should I have to pay for the after affects? I raised my kids, and paid with my blood, sweat and tears, not to mention my hard earned dollars. I'm unhappy that my tax pounds will still be paying for them, I didn't have the sex, so why should I have to pay for the after affects [sic]? I didn't raise kids but my blood, sweat and tears not to mention my hard earn money pays for others peoples kids education.
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